What do you mean by "drifting up your face?"

I think I'm starting to approach the age of "your figure or your face" and man, that's annoying.

That the spacing of your features changes as you age - when you're little, they're all crowded in the bottom of your face and relatively delicate. Around 20-30 they look "regular". Then your forehead gets smaller, your chin gets extra flesh, you seem to get extra space between your lip and nose, and so on. You become the opposite of a little kid.

My podiatrist appears offended that I don't moisturize my feet. I tried it once and I almost broke my leg. If you moisturize your feet and have wood floors, you need to have the socks right there before you start.

I am not going to be able to unsee 3.

I meant 2

I am vey drunk.

That means drunk on kosher wine?

Very, even.

Day drunk is good.

I.e. oy, very

10 to 8

Why couldn't the OP be hip-hop about lizards, like I wanted it to be?

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Is this actually a thing? I've never heard that before about aging. I don't feel like my face is moving, though I haven't really been checking.

My cousin used to joke that the only parts that grew after 25 were the nose and the ears. This is funnier if you knew how big his nose and ears were when he was 20.

Here's what Medline has to say: https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/004004.htm

The appearance of the face and neck typically changes with age. Loss of muscle tone and thinning skin gives the face a flabby or drooping appearance. In some people, sagging jowls may create the look of a double chin.

Your skin also dries out and loses the underlying layer of fat so that your face no longer has a plump, smooth surface. To some extent, wrinkles cannot be avoided. However, sun exposure and cigarette smoking are likely to make them develop more quickly. The number and size of blotches and dark spots on the face increase as well. These pigment changes are largely due to sun exposure.

Missing teeth and receding gums change the appearance of the mouth, so your lips may look shrunken. Loss of bone mass in the jaw reduces the size of the lower face and makes your forehead, nose, and mouth more pronounced. Your nose may also lengthen slightly.

The ears may lengthen in some people (probably caused by cartilage growth). Men may develop hair in their ears that becomes longer, coarser, and more noticeable as they age. Ear wax becomes drier because there are fewer wax glands in the ears and they produce less oil. The hardened ear wax can block the ear canal and affect your ability to hear.

Eyebrows and eyelashes turn gray. As in other parts of the face, the skin around the eyes gets wrinkles, creating crow's feet at the side of the eyes.

Fat from the eyelids settles into the eye sockets. This can make your eyes look sunken. The lower eyelids can slacken and bags can develop under your eyes. Weakening of the muscle that supports the upper eyelid can make the eyelids droop. This may limit vision.

The outer surface of the eye (cornea) may develop a grayish-white ring. The colored portion of the eye (iris) loses pigment, making most very elderly people appear to have gray or light blue eyes.

All this talk of getting old/It's getting me down, my Lord/like a cat in a bag, waiting to drown...

Ear wax becomes drier

And people say there are not benefits to aging.

Wisdom and drier earwax.

The real function of the ear trumpet is excavation.

Now I feel that I should be staving off aging by chewing gum to maintain chin/jaw bone-mass. I like acquiring new neuroses.

Let's not forget the hair that starts to grow out of your earlobe.

Which you had naively believed to be a rocky place where your follicles could gain no purchase.

I had no idea people took pain meds ahead of a tattooing session. Seems like an obvious idea in retrospect.

I can't stop to find the link right now, but I think I could point out what I mean on those photographs where the artist recreated informal photos decades later.

I had no idea people took pain meds ahead of a tattooing session. Seems like an obvious idea in retrospect.

Traditionally they just get blackout drunk.

Okay, Here's what I mean by features drifting up your face. It's not so much the clinical measurements of whether someone's forehead is technically larger or smaller so much as an artistic impression of how you'd draw someone if you were trying to age them.

In fact, that'd be a good thing to look up: what guidelines do those police artists use to age someone?

I think you're muddling together maturing and aging, aren't you? That is, there are huge changes in facial structure between birth and 18-20 or so. And then you settle down for quite a while, and then start visibly aging, but not really as a continuation of the same process -- it's different things happening.

ALWAYS WEAR SUNSCREEN.

No, I was seeing it as one continuous process. With different periods of acceleration and plateauing - certainly maybe during the the ages 15-18, features change about as much as they do between ages 22-38. But hairlines start out lowest when you're a baby and creep backwards, noses keep getting bigger and there's more space between nose and mouth, etc. I do see it as one big process, albeit with different aspects emerging and receding.

At the link, Oscar (pointing the gun) is probably 25 and 55 in those photos, and illustrates what I'm trying to get at.

On the other hand, Sue's features don't look like they've moved whatsoever from age 25 to 55.

I think Oscar, except for the wrinkles, mostly just put on a little weight. His face looks longer when he's younger because it's thinner.

Well, putting on weight certainly is a big part of the reason I always think the features are drifting upwards. But look at Oscar's forehead - obviously his hairline has receded (and it's true that his hair falls forward more when he's young) but his forehead looks roughly the same size. To me, that makes it look like everything is shifting upward. Like his eyes are drifting upward at roughly the same pace as his hairline is drifting back.

I'm not saying it would pan out on cranial measurements so much as a general impression that I get.

Like his eyes are drifting upward at roughly the same pace as his hairline is drifting back.>/i>

This, specifically, is not happening.

IS TOO. Also my mother is Picasso.

New works of his are always being discovered.

To my mind, taking some ibuprofen ahead of getting a tattoo is in now way drugging at all. The supposed clean way to get a tattoo is not be high or drunk at all. Taking some over-the-counter analgesics doesn't come close to being inauthentic, Heebie. Though color me a bit shocked that 4 of them allowed you to coast through with no pain at all. Thin outlines are supposed to hurt a lot more than places where they are filling in (# of needles being used at a time with more needles = less pain), so perhaps there were other factors in play that also impacted pain during your first compared to second session?

The one trick of Picasso's I can't figure out is how to not have women get angry with you when you suggest they have both eyes on the same side of their face.

The first session was all going over the purple stencil of all 6 cats - the lines weren't super thin, just sort of felt pen thickness, maybe. The second session was completely shading in one kitten, about 5"x 8" maybe in size. Maybe that did make a difference.

38. Been a while and mine are smaller, but filling in was painful, more than outlining. Maybe equipment's improved, I got my colored one at some biker's house.

okay okay enough with the tattoo update - how is the sunscreening going????? and i want to hear from other people whether they changed anything about their skincare after that thread in what was it january?

skincare's current moment is kind of odd for me, it has been my hobby for so long that it is strange to suddenly encounter it everywhere. i think it's a thing now because it can take up obsessive energy that needs to be occasionally distracted from our impending doom.

The one trick of Picasso's I can't figure out is how to not have women get angry with you when you suggest they have both eyes on the same side of their face.

My understanding is that they could not resist his stare and therefore never called him an asshole.

42: I sunburned my face already this year on the one day when it was warm and sunny. I'm thinking of getting a hat, but they all look stupid on me.

I complained to friends that even expensive sunscreen made my face feel gross and sticky so I didn't want to wear it, and was recommended this stuff. which in fact doesn't feel gross so I've been wearing it consistently for a week or so, and I'm hoping to keep it up.

I'm thinking of getting a hat, but they all look stupid on me.

You have to just bite the bullet and embrace the stupid. Once you've made a habit of it, you'll forget it looks dopey.

I've embraced so much stupid my arms are full.

A welder's mask would provide protection from the sun and not make me look stupid in that it would hide my identity.

And have slightly more dignity than a Batman mask.

42, 45: I tried a bunch of different sunscreens and my favorite by far is the same brand as LB's!

I also have a big straw hat, but I save that for summer.

And have slightly more dignity than a Batman mask.

Debatable.

I've never seen that visor, but I have seen East Asian people carrying umbrellas in the sun.

If you want to buy a $5,000 straw hat, the key search term is Montecristi. You're welcome.

52: I am (geographically) one of them. Totally worth it. African women sometimes do that too. They also sometimes smear their faces with clay for sunscreen. I don't know if that feels gross, but I bet it's cheaper than LB's stuff.

I suppose it might catch on here if we ever had more than two sunny days in a row.

https://www.target.com/p/neutrogena-174-ultra-sheer-liquid-daily-sunscreen-broad-spectrum-spf-70-1-4-fl-oz/-/A-12242596?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=PLA_Health+Beauty+Shopping&adgroup=SC_Health+Beauty&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=m&location=21152&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIptO23vLJ2gIVwlmGCh304AaAEAQYASABEgIYK_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Sorry for the long link. Neutrogena ultra sheer daily liquid sunscreen is also good and cheaper than LB's stuff. I pull out the blue lizard which feels gross on the skin if i'm Going to be out all day in an outdoorsy way. I generally put on moisturizer before the sunscreen, so LB's brand might be a better value overall.

And I have tried and hated Neutrogena -- it still feels sticky to me. I mean, individual reactions, if it works on your skin it's good.

43 needs more love. What a setup, huh? Are you sober now?

This is the stuff I like. I tried maybe 4 different kinds. Weirdly, I discovered a lot of them make my eyes water. Not crying, but enough to make the world blurry. I also don't like a thick cloggy feeling. This one feels light and nice going on. I guess it's pricey? It doesn't seem particularly pricey in my head, because I lump it in with groceries and it lasts a while, so it doesn't feel like I'm spending $32 every week.

LB's sunscreen is the only one I've been able to wear without wanting to scratch my face off. I started using a few drops of vitamin C serum a day. My skin texture is better than it's ever been, while my features settle into a beginner Walter Matthau thing that I personally like but that I'm afraid will limit my employment-- or not? Who knows. Pulsed light treatments a couple of times a year. I sneak into the clinic like "don't look at me, I'm here for a very important and personal health procedure", which I'm totally not. Afterword I imagine my kid not having enough money for textbooks in ten years and I'm wracked with guilt. Then I watch the freckles and blotches lift off.

57 I do like Most Neutrogens sunscreen, but this one is good.

My favorite sunscreen was an alcohol-free spray called Kinesys but they went out of business.

To the OP: Considering what you went through to get the background done, you should have those kittens put on whatever way you please. Don't you more than have pain cred, if that's a thing?

LB and Heebie (and others, I guess), so you wear moisturizer with that sunscreen?

so s/b do

64: I do, because tthe moisturizer I like from belif doesn't have any sunscreen. The holy grail is a moisturizer with sunscreen that actually works. This Elta MD stuff with hyaluronic acid might actually do the trick.

I'm a fan of a couple of different Neutrogena products, but they're the ones that are marketed/scented for men. One of them is a combination aftershave soother/moisturizer/sunscreen, which is very handy. Only SPF20 but I figure that's enough for someone who just walks to the subway and back at commuting time and always wears a hat.

(I want to say something like #easyskinprivilege for being able to tolerate relatively cheap skin-care products)

You're related to Easys?

Not reliably, I don't. It's pretty moisturizish itself.

I wonder how women who have lost loved ones to moisture feel about this. Like the widows of drowned sailors or Johnstown Flood survivors.

Off topic.

Are you sober now?

Woke up a little while ago, a little hung over. I have some leftover goat curry in the fridge, which I'm now going to eat.

What a setup, huh?

I know, right - I'm going to assume that Moby had it all gamed out in advance.

63: no, I've never needed moisturizer unless I'm in Denver or California or something.

I just feel like Heebie's bravery in coming out of the icebox is being insufficiently acknowledged.

Like lots of people I hate the feel of suncream on my skin so I usually use those clear alcohol based 'dry' sun sprays unless it's really hot/sunny and I'm wearing a high factor screen.

I have lots of moisturisers and skin care products (for men) that my wife has bought me, or which have been gifts from relatives, etc. I rarely ever use them, except shaving stuff, because, meh. I'm fine with the idea of it in theory, but in practice I hate the feel of greasy things on my face and hands, and I almost always forget anyway. But, this week, since it's been sunny in London, I've been using a moisturiser* with sun screen in it, and my face does look noticeably different. It's almost like there's something in this stuff ...

* http://www.boots.com/no7-men-protect-and-perfect-intense-advanced-day-moisturiser-spf15-10204218

43, 58, here's more love for 43. Nicely played.

I think I don't know enough about Picasso, eyes, or assholes to understand.

I also don't understand why somebody would call Natalie Portman a "ripe fruit" in the newspaper.

It reminds me of the creepy part of Beautiful Girls.

Just for you, Mobes.

Thanks. Just knowing that it was music was sufficient. I know I don't know music.

I'm not opposed to music and I listen to it often. I just don't get why there's so many different kinds.

I can understand a reluctance to sit through a linked video, even on the part of someone who liked the genre. So just to be explicit, the dumb but amusing lyric is:

Well some people try to pick up girls
And get called assholes
This never happened to Pablo Picasso
He could walk down your street
And girls could not resist his stare and
So Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole

I listened far enough to get to that.

It doesn't really change much after that.

I liked it. But I would have called Picasso an asshole.

Yeah, now that I think about it, the song does come across kind of differently in the era of pick-up artists, me-too and Nice Guys.

Actually I was referring to his shitty civilization-poisoning art, but I guess that too.

But then I'm not a girl, so.

I am doing more for my skin and the annoying thing is that it's made my face look better, so now I need to stick with it. I wash with CeraVe in the morning and at bedtime and then in the morning use their sunscreen lotion. A few times a week I use Differin, which not only decreased how much I break out but got rid of an ugly spot of sun damage I had assumed was permanent. And when I feel like it, usually at night or after the drying Differin, I slather on Weleda Skin Food. I don't really want to do more than that but I'm sure that's the next step.

You have to be careful when you order because "Weleda Skin-Food" is very different.

Clearly a man speaking from experience. I start to see why you stick to chicken wings.

I guess I should also add I have newish tattoos (two in the last 18 months) and the second was just text and took about 15 minutes and had basically no pain. When the guy told me to look at it I thought he'd have finished the outlines or something but the whole piece was done. (If I'd waited and gone back to the woman who did my first I suspect it would have been placed slightly lower so there's no risk that sagging breasts will hide the lettering, but that's not really a complaint.)

Ahhh it's lovely and relaxing just to read these replies. We are heading into the last weekend before the movers arrive, so the rule from this morning is that once you finish with an object if it won't be used again in this place it has to go in a box. I suspect at some point we are all going to start trying to avoid touching anything ha! We have all reached the stage of just wanting to be in the new flat, much as we will all miss this lovely home. So many good memories here.

Boot's No 7 is a very solid reasonably priced brand, nearly always an excellent place to start if you are looking for something. I used to very mildly wish I could get the kid to use something like differin but in the end I think it's probably a good sign that given my own skincare hobby i've let go of any attempt to control what he does with his own skin. sort of like editing his schoolwork/summer job etc applications - he wouldn't even ask me to do it if he wasn't certain that i am fine with him rejecting all my suggestions.

I suspect I have an unusual tolerance for the feeling of things on my face - the cerave physical sunscreen (not the daytime moisturizer with sunscreen in it, but the full-on mineral based sunscreen) definitely feels like you have something on but it doesn't bother me. This somehow seems related to me to how I don't touch my face and that is definitely very different from other people. Once you stop touching your face you notice how much everyone else does. This is inconveniently distracting in tedious meetings.

91: What does it say?!?

"This Machine Kills Fascists."

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The hardest drinkers seem to have been the Mongols. They were pleased when their guests got drunk, clamored loudly, vomited, and finally fell to the floor in a stupor. "If our guests get drunk, they are of one heart with us and no longer different."

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I have been reading various Verne Troyer-related links, now that we have to add him to the Do Not Masturbate To list, and I came across this review of the director's commentary track for Postal. Am I crazy, or doesn't that sound like the greatest possible commentary track? It's like Nabokov made a shitty movie as a framing device, and then put all of the real story in the commentary track.

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Four ibuprofen is drugged to the gills now. This is not your Uncle Apo's Unfogged.

Four ibuprofen is probably more dangerous than what you'd want to be drugged to the gills on.

That reminds me that it's past time to go take my morning four ibuprofen, actually. My tattoo is in Greek, a Sappho fragment. It says basically "but all things can be endured since..."

98: Statins and Geritol?

Four ibuprofen is what they gave me post childbirth, I think, so I used that as a reference point. Either that or it was leftover from surgery.

97: Also, excuse me I have always been a pansy.

I don't have statins yet. I think I should probably lose 20 pounds if I want to keep it that way.

I'm not actually on any medications as I march toward 50 later this year. Not going to the doctor probably helps in that regard.

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What should I read next?
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The warning label on Pravachol.

I don't even know what that is.

105: Nick Harkaway's Gnomon

Is that fiction?

Because I think I developed an allergy.

105: Felix Castor detective series! I'm super enjoying it as light escapism.

I don't think I've ever read detective stories.

Allow me to be the first to recommend The Holy Bible.

Fuck you apo. This is serious.

Also, again, fiction.

So the Castor thing is actually necromancy? If I were to try one, which should it be?

I started with the first one. I'm not especially a fan of detective stories, nor of ghosts and zombies, but when the writing is charming I can read whatever, and I find the writing to be funny and charming.

But you're a bottom dweller from Florida. Is your taste trustworthy?

115: ether Fiction, Mythology or True Crime.

If you won't read fiction, will you go through Helen Keller's essays and speeches and tell me which 1-3 to assign to my socialist reading group? I should have done this by now but haven't.

No.

Well, maybe. I'm bored. When's the deadline?

What should I read next?

From my "books everybody should read" list:

Structures by J.E. Gordon
The Gift by Lewis Hyde

I'm struggling to think of things I've read recently that I'd recommend. My reading has been more titled towards contemporary American Politics than is healthy.

I asked a friend and she replied with:

Insomniac City as a recent book that strongly grabbed her and The Story of Jane by Laura Kaplan and Promises I Can Keep by Kathryn Edin and Maria Kefalas as books everybody should read.

Also Born A Crime by Trevor Noah as a lighter option.

But you're a bottom dweller from Florida.

The respectful term is "Wolverine", not "bottom dweller."

Ghosts of the Tsunami is well worth reading.

95: "Conan, what is best in life?"

And now that I look at it, I am wondering whether 126 is ready to be the fourth Universal New Yorker Cartoon Caption.

105: Boris Akunin's Fandorin series. (Although give the first one a little slack; it's a tad slow, and he was still figuring out what he was doing.)

The reminds me that I should finish Earthsea.

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This may be my very finest moment of parenting.
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Heh.

"Butts can't get pregnant" is another good lesson for the kids.

130: I showed that to my wife, and she immediately wanted to forward it to everyone she knows.

112: Nero Wolfe, stat. I mean, you could read Chandler, whom I love and all, but really, Wolfe. If you like Rex Stout your reading needs are sorted for the foreseeable future, and then again every few years.

OT: I think maybe if I had to I could charge at somebody to wrestle the gun away from them if it was clear they were out of bullets and I could cross the intervening ground before they reloaded, but I don't think I could bring myself to tackle a naked man in a Waffle House.

What about Denny's?

There I would worry about the clothed man.

They wouldn't call it a "Grand Slam" if you could eat the whole thing and still fit the pants you were wearing when you came in.

130 is great, you fucked up freakazoid.

How old is Cassidy these days?

Almost old enough to lay an egg.

She'll turn 11 next month.

Oops. I had gender wrong. Sorry.

Thanks everyone (except apo). Ume, I read this thing and it's interesting, but is the whole book like that?

Also, 129.

Colossians 3:13, Mossy.

Ephesians 4:29, apo.

I have a note from my doctor.

Did I mention when I was at the beach and saw the woman with 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 tattooed on her thigh?

Did she have the reference too or did you stop and write it down to look up later?

I recognized the verses and looked up the numbers just now. They're read at almost every wedding I've been to.

Nobody ever invites me to Jewish weddings since the one time where I thought everybody was supposed to break as many glasses as they could.

So what's your record?

According to the caterer's bill, only fifteen.

My comfort re-reads are P Fitzgerald and B Pym novels and for some reason a volume on the restoration of the Tryptique du Buisson Ardent, which is odd I know but it works for me.

THERE ARE SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING OUTSIDE IN THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. So fabulous, the neighborhood we have spent the last decade- + in contains children other than ours, but ours seems to be the only one ever allowed to walk on the sidewalk let alone take public transit. Other than the kid this neighborhood's children are all hermetically conveyed via SUV into a garage and thence via internal staircase into the dwelling, then outwards by the same method. It is so so so so so creepy and fucked up. ACTUAL FAMILY LIFE including friendly small children playing on the sidewalk lightly supervised by a parent from within the dwelling appears to be a bog standard normal thing on a weekend day in new haunt. So happy. Also we are on track to have the only boxes left for the movers Tue morning containing books and records (granted, this means a shit ton of boxes) but I nearly have the kitchen moved.

Also new flat has school playground on the other side of the garden fence, so from the back of the house you can hear kids playing. Wonderful.

Let us pass over the utter inadequacy of closets and the ludicrously small washroom and toilet in silence.

This may be my very finest moment of parenting.

Today I spilled beer on my son's report card. I'm concerned the Parent of the Year Selection Committee might ding me for that.

Just tell them it was his beer.

Honestly, passing over the toilet in silence is a hit or miss kind of proposition.

read john crowley's little, big; it is my actual favorite book in the world no hesitation. READ IT!

97: I concur. people should snort heroin before getting a tattoo, like honest americans.

What are your feelings about Aegypt?

The mosquito?

160: If you've read everything else he's written and liked all of it, go ahead and read Aegypt.

144: The ghost stories are a relatively small (though not minor) part of the book, which focuses mainly on the parents of some of the children who died in the Okawa elementary school and how they dealt with their grief and anger in very different ways. It's a careful account, beautifully written, and in places almost unbearable. You can read it as a historical record,as an insight into Japanese culture, or as an extended meditation on the process of coming to terms with devastating loss. Highly recommended from all three perspectives.

152: You are. Everyone is just pissed at how much better you are at it than everyone else. It's like inviting LeBron to pick-up basketball game.

162 is right. some of aegypt is sort of off-putting--not to me but I can imagine to to newcomer to crowley's work. he comments at crooked timber, like a light blazing in the darkness.

164: Well, traditionally, after LeBron breaks all the glasses, AviceBron comes in with a female golem to clean up the pieces.

163: Thanks. I'll remember it, but unbearable isn't my friend.

167: I am your friend.

I'm a disease vector.

Thanks, Bear, but tbh Eeyore is more my speed.

So anyway, I'm doing Insomnia City. It's okay, but getting really saccharine in parts. But it's incredibly short, so I'll probably finish it regardless.

I ended up skipping the saccharine parts, which made it even shorter. I'm curious if other people find as many pleasant random encounters in NYC, or if that's an artifact of Hayes being weirdly gregarious.
Also he was living in Manhattan on his salary as a full time fundraiser for a vaccine NGO, which makes me suspect that said NGO didn't have a heck a lot of money left for vaccine research after covering its overheads.

Glad you read, and I hope the recommendation didn't feel too off the mark.

I haven't read the book but assume that the saccharine parts are to keep it from being too depressing considering that it's a story about somebody who's long-term partner died suddenly, and who begins a new relationship* with somebody who is near the end of his life.

* Additionally it's someone who has essentially never had an adult sexual relationship.

It wasn't off the mark, and thanks for the rec. The saccharine parts were precisely those about the partners' deaths. The remainder was about the city, which was interesting, if lightweight. "Saccharine" is an uncharitable description, but that's how it felt to me. It's like sentimentality as unearned emotion: Hayes has earned the emotion, but I haven't, and Hayes hasn't written a book for me to earn that emotion vicariously. Also Sacks comes across to me here as someone I would find intensely annoying at greater than dinner-conversation length.