I have been puzzled by this whole leggings debate. The argument seems to be that 1.) Leggings on women inspire impure thoughts from men and 2.) Leggings should therefore not be worn.
But 1 argues against 2. Me, I am pro-legging. Because I'm a feminist.
Other ridiculous Israel things.
The mom needs to consider taking a Brewster's Millions approach to butts.
the one that still confuses me is why this letter wasn't written three or four years ago when leggings were more novel. Maybe the writer hasn't walked on a college campus since her own college years?
Probably she hasn't, if this is her oldest child.
I hadn't realized these kinds of requirements were so common until today, but it makes me want to boycott Israel just spite a state legislature. It also seems like free advertising for the BDS movement, since I bet more people receive money from states with anti-BDS laws than read long articles about what is happening to the Palestinians.
It is definitely free advertising. It's like in school when we were told in health class to never ever do certain things, which was the first we had heard that doing those things was an option.
Yes, this Notre Dame mother is nutty, but when did leggings become not just common, but the default and sometimes only option for women's exercise clothing? To buy a pair of joggers or track pants you pretty much have to shop in the men's section.
Hmm. Maybe I am not the only one who saw "This is your brain on drugs" as an endorsement.
Here's your summer look
https://twitter.com/abc7/status/1113155282014625792?s=21
Admittedly, roughly five or six years ago I was on Team Leggings Are Not Pants, and felt that students who wore them should be wearing them under a tunic or longer shirt. Then I realized I was being uptight, and fashion had changed (though I'm still not going to wear them as pants myself unless I'm going to the gym). Now I would say they're as ubiquitous in my classroom as jeans.
The thing that I've been uptight about lately is bare midriffs that expose much more of the stomach than the same style did in the 90s. I can't help but feel like that's clothing for going out, not going to school.
In an age of reduced social mobility, the difference between the two shrinks.
I have seen men exercising in leggings and I can't say I'm enamored of the style. But I'm not opposed because I think women are getting impure thoughts looking at men jogging.
Jogging itself is so intrinsically impure an activity that I don't see how the clothing makes any difference.
I'm a little annoyed by leggings as standard exercise gear for women. I started a regular gym habit a couple of years ago, and thought I'd be able to work out in shorts and old T-shirts. After a couple of months, I realized that I was feeling self-conscious because I was so out of step with the norms of dress -- I was the only woman in the gym not in something skin-tight. So I gave up and bought myself a couple of pairs of leggings and some 'technical' fabric tank tops. While I'd prefer not to be wandering around in public in a coat of paint, it does seem to be the least conspicuous option available.
While I'm not going to be wearing leggings around, I have to say that the new khakis with a hint of stretchy fabric in them are really much more comfortable than the old kind.
When I'm running, it does seem sometimes like I'm literally the only woman on the track not wearing tights. At tennis, the wardrobe choices seem to be more diverse, although not necessarily better -- one woman I play tennis with wears those 80s-style skirts that don't even cover the underpants, like wearing a pleated cupcake liner over your hips. I guess women's exercise clothing has always been pretty weird.
There are places where I go hiking where it seems like I'm one of the few people not dressed in gym clothes. There was a period of about 15 years when I didn't do much hiking, and I don't remember people dressing like that for hiking before then. There is a hiker's clothing style of looser fitting clothes, layers, and fabrics that wick away moisture that doesn't feel like it's changed all that much, but I see that more in places where people do longer hikes. I kind of go for that style if it's cold, with warmer layers (but basically normal everyday pants), but if it's warm I just wear whatever shorts and t-shirt I might wear even if I weren't going hiking.
The other thing I've learned since hiking a lot again is that clothing marketed to hikers as having special exercise resistant properties can be surprisingly expensive.
I'm told that in the west, people hike in shorts worn over leggings, like they are in a wilderness version of Heathers.
20: I associate that with the older style of hiking clothes, and also with long underwear that I guess could be called leggings.
17: Agreed. My biggest "I'm getting old" moment over the past year was difficulty in finding non-stretchy pants, buying both stretchy and non-stretchy pants, and finding that I preferred the latter. I'm not very fashionable or body-conscious in most respects, but I felt like wearing elastic other than for workout gear is giving up. Irrational, I know.
19: I assume it depends on the terrain. If I were hiking through the woods in most environments, I'd wear long pants unless it's very hot, due to thorns, sharp branches, and bugs. If I'm hiking in a place where none of those is a concern, then I assume I should worry about the sun instead. As for long pants, I don't own any specifically designed for exercise and jeans seem more than good enough.
The need to be fashionable in workout gear mystifies me. I work out at a gym at work and I look ridiculous in my gym shorts, t-shirt and bandana.* But who cares? (Also, the women at the gym all wear shorts, I think. Is that a function of the professional environment?)
*I actually have been subject to a certain amount of ridicule because of the bandana. But I have a freakishly sweaty forehead, and am blinded without it. Headbands are a viable, but inferior, substitute. And they still look ridiculous on me.
Don't wear jeans for hiking. They take forever to dry. Plus, cotton kills.
Jeans are the stupidest trousers unless you're doing heavy work in a place with little rain and low humidity. Like a gold miner in California.
Well, take them off if you have to ford a creek.
Or running for governor of Montana.
I didn't realize you should expect to get wet doing that.
I wear sport shorts like the ones I had for crew, but I wear soccer shorts over them.
I would like to find comfortable sweatpants to wear around the house. I found a pair like 7 years ago that I liked that were straight cut instead of having the cinched-in ankle. Now, I can only find the truly old-school version.
I like yoga pants but my knees feel constricted in leggings.
The cinched ankle is because traditionally gymnasiums were infested with mice and people didn't want them running up the leg on the inside.
FB has recently decided it's time to serve me with ads for tactical pants. I've known about this category of pant for a while, because they're often a part of police uniforms. But apparently now's the time for my personal pantwear to get tactical.
The general phenomenon in the OP is studied:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_(psychology)
one woman I play tennis with wears those 80s-style skirts that don't even cover the underpants, like wearing a pleated cupcake liner over your hips.
I laughed out loud.
I bought some exercise 3/4-length leggings with pockets and felt like my best basic self. It was great to have my phone on me.
I used to exercise in shorts, but the rise in leggings coincided with my legs getting fatter and starting to touch a lot more, and I appreciate having stationary fabric in between them to keep them from chafing.
FB has recently decided it's time to serve me with ads for tactical pants.
Amateurs wear tactical pants, professionals wear logistic pants.
I recently experimented with stretchy, tightish jeans and concluded they suck. Cold in cool weather, hot in warm, the ankle holes* frequently ride up, and even after multiple wearings the crotch never stops battering my stamen. I guess that last one could go either way.
*There has to be a better phrase for this, right?
38 made me laugh. Tactical pants in the streets, logistical pants in the sheets.
That's the term for what you call "nappies".
In related news Tim Ryan joins the race, as the yoga candidate.
Look, the mallelli may be some sexy bones, but having a hole in your trouser legs just to keep them bare seems de trop.
I can't find a word for the foot holes at the end of a pair of trousers, besides "bottoms". Which seems ambiguous.
47: cuffs? Or trouser bottoms?
Everything that's left on a pair of trousers once you remove the legs is called the "box" - I learned this from reading "Zero History" by William Gibson.
You can have trouser bottoms without cuffs.
You can have trouser bottoms without turn-ups but not without cuffs. The cuff is the hemmed bit at the end of the leg.
The hem is the hemmed bit at the end of the leg. That part seems simple enough.
I put on a pair of very tight knee-length leggings recently, which I assumed were for cycling or something. They turned out to be full-length pants that my six-year-old nephew had outgrown. Apparently baggy, stretchy styles are still available for small boys (much less so small girls).
(Backstory: I was visiting relatives and my suitcase had gone missing, so I needed pajamas and went looking in a storage room full of old clothes.)
Please don't say "pant," I know it may be correct, but it hurts my ear.
Because it was hot, my dog began to trouser as we walked.
My parents, when I was an early teen, brainwashed me that leggings were hideously inappropriate to wear out of the house. I remember how comfortable they seemed! But I just can't. I have two very warm pairs for running outdoors when it's cold, since I assume no one will look at me, but I can't even convince myself to wear them to the gym. Luckily, I live in the midwest, where frumpy is de rigeur and wearing shorts and T-shirts at the gym is just fine. I also can't manage to wear yoga pants out of the house (other than to the gym) no matter how tempting it seems.
My parents did something similar to me, except for always apologizing.
For winter pantage around the house, I've been wearing wool hunting pants. It's like having a blanket over you legs that follows you around.
If they wear out, I'm replacing them with these Canadian wonders.
My man leggings are getting an bit worn and I'm going to annoyed if i can't find good replacements: tight, but not 'my balls are on -this- side' tight, pockets that will hold my phone, keys, and wallet, good rise, and breathable. Non-black color is nice too.
Those wool pants are dope but i'm always leary of 100% wool.
I have never owned any where the wool isn't cut with other fibers, except like in a suit or something.
I had a pair of wool boxer briefs that I liked. They fell apart after about 5 days of wear, before they had developed any smell or been washed (was on a camping trip too). If i was rich I would buy $35 underwear that is basically disposable, because they were fantastic. I have a few 80/20 wool/nylon tshirts, but I've not seen underwear like that.
67 That sounds itchy as hell, unless it's cashmere I'd sooner go commando.
68: merino wool is the stuff for winter - Icebreaker, for example, is great, though it loses points by informing customers that they can trace the wool their underwear came from back to the individual sheep that provided it by using their phones to scan the garment's baa-code.
Then that's the stuff for Moby & Stanley.
49: hence the thing you wear playing cricket to keep the ball out of your balls.
I have merino boxer briefs. They haven't fallen apart on me yet even though I've put them in the washing machine many times. I think they'd shrink if you didn't dry them on a line. The brand is Stoic, which seems appropriate as a philosophy for an underwear garment.
All I can say is, some people treat their underwear better than others.
25. For hiking, wear nylon pants, some of which come with handy zippers halfway down to convert to shorts. Don't wear cotton (Moby is right). For your top, a merino wool t-shirt is best. Add more layers as needed if the weather is cold. Wear a hat.
I thought the zippers were so you could convert them into gaiters.
A young lady who recently joined our team wears leggings every day, and I'm a little surprised, but not complaining.
People probably think I'm a little too formal because I don't wear jeans to work, which everyone else does. But I don't like jeans and I don't want to buy new clothes for work.
To archaeologists of the future our whole civilization will be known as the Riveted Legwear Culture.
At my work every once in a while if we've been extra good, then managment will give us a "jeans day". On that day we're allowed to wear jeans! Usually I'm too sleepy when I'm getting dressed to remember about it, and then I get to work and see all my happy co-workers in their jeans, and I'm overwhelmed with regret.
I think legging technology has improved in the past few years, allowing leggings-as-pants to be worn with more confidence by the less fashion-forward. That is, in about 2009 or so, the leggings you got from Target* were pretty thin and soft and obviously designed to be worn under a skirt or with a long sweater. If you were to wear them on their own, it would feel a lot more like wearing mere tights or long underwear, and also they got baggy a lot easier. Whereas it seems like even thin leggings now have a lot more elastic in them, and leggings in general are a bit thicker. Plus we've had many years of varying degrees of skinny jeans, and thick leggings are really just skinny pants, basically.
*I wore a lot of girl clothes at that point
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I am touched by the innocence of the letter-writer, who assumes that her sons wouldn't have sexual thoughts if there weren't all these leggings.
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The ubiquity of leggings-as-pants, the ubiquity of sleeveless things and the increase in availability of plus-sized fast fashion has meant that a lot more large women now wear leggings, tank tops, sleeveless dresses, etc, something that was basically unthinkable when I was a small fat child. I approve of this development since it really moves the assumptions about fat bodies from "hide it hide it" to "this is what this body looks like; you can like fat bodies or not, but they exist in the world and don't need to be hidden".
This has the knock-on effect of demystifying other body stuff like the whole "virtually every woman has some cellulite even if she is very thin" and "very few people truly have totally fatless abdomens, even if they are thin and athletic".
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ASOS skinny chinos are basically leggings for men, given the thinness, stretchiness and clinginess of the fabric. The legging is a useful garment.
One place I worked at had casual Fridays. That I came to value Fridays testifies to how awful that workplace was.
83 - last - it turns out ASOS is the name of a clothes company, not an internet abbreviation.
84: We used to have casual Fridays, but then managment decided to switch to business casual every day. After that they started having the celebratory jeans days from time to time.
This is going to be a chapter in my magnum opus, Notes on the Decline of Western Civilization
Finally read the letter and surely it must be an April Fool. Or, less optimistically, someone trying to trigger people.
The giveaway is that she suggests that, in order to be modest, female students should wear jeans instead. Clearly ludicrous.
Full, floor-length skirt, petticoats, and a halter top, as per tradition.
ASOS is the name of a clothes company, not an internet abbreviation
As someone overheard somewhere
Do kids today even use the word "slacks"? It seems kind of 70s to me.
86: I didn't think that was a tell. Jeans can be modest, while leggings are pretty much inherently skin-tight. And imagine that you're writing from the perspective of a Midwestern mom; jeans are the natural casual clothes for her.
The switch towards leggings is interesting. I don't really remember them being much of a thing until 2010ish when there was a year or two where wearing slightly thinner leggings with skirts was popular/marketed, and since then they've so supplanted pants generally and especially jeans that they might be the modal under-50s female casual lower garb*. I guess it makes sense as part of a general trend since at least the 80s towards more comfortable and casual clothing. And they look good on pretty much everyone. Frowner's points are very good.
* When I was in college, the popular choice for lazy/hurried women was pyjama bottoms. I still commute through the universities and never see that anymore, because why bother when leggings are so easy/fast/comfortable?
91.1: This is correct. I don't believe ajay was being serious anyway.
It's probably because of Natalie Portnan in "Your Highness." Very influential movie.
92: yeah, fair enough. My joke detection has gotten worse in the last few years.
Leggings are just San-a-belt slacks for women.
Is this the fashion thread?
Check out first the URL, second the garment, and third the price:
https://www.off---white.com/en/US/men/products/ombb037s19d250040188#
96 is SFW. Make sure to click through to see the back.
Honestly, they should've gone with the equivalent bootleg merchandise. That was the real circa '91 Simpsons look.
OK wait, this one is "sold out" as are the ones with the same design in other fabric colors
https://www.off---white.com/en/US/men/products/omba025r190030152010#image-4
I am really not getting something-- even if the same overachievers who do their website are responsible for their production scheduling, have they considered getting a few teenagers to screenprint a few of these single-color haphazard looking things in a garage?
So for right-leaning people commerce and prices are sacrosanct, a foundation of efficiency and satisfying desires.
Yet if I made these in a garage and then sold them, I'd be a smooth criminal until I got caught. The whole thing mocks the idea of design and also of price. Devolved bootlegs of these except locally made and sold the same way knockoff perfumes are seems like a perfect way to participate, but I don't think that's how actually making money off of this would play out.
I know of ultralight backpackers in cold/wet climates who like tights because if you're expecting your legs to be frequently wet (e.g. in a light rain around 50F, where it's not cold enough to justify waterproof pants), tights are more comfortable than loose wet pants that keep flapping soggily against your skin. Also, when I backpacked in leech-infested jungle, I wore running tights so that leeches couldn't sneak up to my genitals.
In hot, dry, weather, I imagine pants with loose fabric are more comfortable for hiking.
I have a cuben-fiber bear bag and an MLD bivy, but still just wear either shorts or nylon trousers.
The leeches are coming. Just be patient.
We mostly fear crosses.
103: That's the problem they smell the fear on you.
The can't bite through pants. I think.
The can't bite through pants. I think.
Well, thank God the consumption of THC is now legal in Canada (thanks, Justin!), because we're all going to need a little something to take the edge off, now that Ontario's clownish, thuggish Premier is proposing colonoscopies without sedation as a cost-savings health care measure. I believe Doug Ford should set an example, by being the first one to take it up the a**e for the good of the province.
Please excuse my vulgarity.
Brought to you by Elections have Consequences, Ontario, Canada Division.
If you lie about you family history, they'll wait until you're 50 before they photograph your colon.
https://twitter.com/stephenlautens/status/1114177875588988929
110: JFC that's insane. I have woken up from twilight sedation during one and it was agony. I pled with them to stop and they ignored me thinking I would have retrograde amnesia, but no. I could never go to that doctor again because I felt strangely humiliated and that he had more or less tortured me.
I as well was once on team leggings are not pants, but when I realized how vastly my trans-pacific/trans US flights were improved by wearing leggings I was sold. at first I wore them under a tunic but then I got thicker ones that seem perfectly well pants. and they genuinely aren't more revealing than my calvin klein ultimate skinny, so fuck it. I feel ambivalent about ones in which you can see cellulite, but eh, people should wear what they want.
my daughter was wearing leggings today with a t-shirt and a member's only jacket (because she is cool) and it revealed the fact that 88lbs is distinctly too few pounds. but what am I doing with my life? starving myself on purpose. I don't know how to help her when I am being such a fuckup. when I was like 8 I had a hang ten sweatshirt (because I was cool) and it had those front pockets. I used to hide my food in there so it looked as if I had eaten. annihilating perfection be my guide!
on the plus side, there are no leeches in the apartment. there are centipedes and flying cockroaches though, and they don't seem to respond differently to varying pants. I don't even know what they gain by flying into your face. seriously, what's their five-cent coin in it?
11: if you lie about your age you can do even better. I'm pretty sure you look 25, moby.
I got a spam email from "diabeticstrips4cash" and in the American dystopian healthcare hellscape I initially thought it was going to be about a diabetic person desperate for cash but it's apparently about diagnostic strips being tradeable for cash. So I guess it is about people with diabetes desperate for cash.
I'm using a mobile boarding pass RIGHT NOW for the first time.
Also I got to briefly meet Harry from CT at a thing for my uncle. Also I was weepy for about four hours yesterday and now my face is annoyingly puffy.
An aversion for puffiness was a major factor in the early development of Vulcan logic.
I have a couple of pairs of "skins" -- black leggings, basically -- and they are super handy. All winter, I was doing a lot of walking on the way to and from work, for fitness, and a pair of leggings and a pair of thin shorts to go over the top, is a much easier carry than heavy sweatpants, and dried quicker if they got wet. My wife is also adamant that they are more flattering on me (even without the shorts on top), because I'm one of those overweight guys who carries basically none of the excess weight on my legs, so I look 50lbs lighter in leggings versus jeans. So the practically and comfort, I totally get.
That said, there's definitely a style of leggings whose primary purpose seems to be: admire my amazing butt. Whether that's transparent or even net panels, or its the special "look at my butt" detailing. This kind of thing (and this is a mild example of the genre): https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vp%2BlgrikL._SY355_.jpg
I've even seen a _guy_ wearing silver leggings like that at the gym, complete with cod-piece style outlining.
I don't know, ttam, those look kind of fabulous. all mine are black--no I have a purplish pair for yoga. then again, if that's a mild example I'm suffering from a strange inability to imagine how far things go. and having a guy at the gym rocking space oddity-era silver costuming does seem a bit much. or no, awesome, maybe it seems awesome. depends on the butt and/or physical support for the codpiece display? you report, we decide.
Member's Only jackets are still around?
118.2: Without net panels, the farts are trapped until you change.
Re: 119
They can look pretty good. I was more commenting that there is a pretty strong case for 'leggings are really comfortable and practical, and the possibility of butt ogling is entirely incidental",* and also, some leggings where the butt ogling is definitely a feature, not a bug.
* enough to have a fat 40 something guy wearing the bloke equivalent for exercise, even.
OT: Does anything bad ever happen if you don't pay estimated taxes? Every year TurboTax tells me I must and makes me print the forms. Every year I don't do this. So far nothing at all bad has happened so far as I have noticed.
Don't you get fined if the amount you turn out to have owed is big enough?
I appreciate the fabulously attention-getting leggings because they provide cover for those of us who want to be inconspicuous. With people in the gym wearing the ones with detailing and transparent panels, plain black opaque looks modest even if it's tight and stretchy.
There is a penalty plus interest based on some calculation of when you should have paid them, if you don't meet one of a few criteria. I believe it's something like >10% underpayment and you did not pay at least as much during the year as you owed in the previous year.
I owe a shit ton of money this year but somehow it says I have no underpayment penalty, that may be a feature of Trump screwing with withholding formulas.
Why don't you have PAYE deducted from your salary automatically, like in sane countries and third world kleptocracies?
127: That's what I was wondering about. My mom had a penalty in 2017 and I'm more behind than she was.
128: I do, but Trump took away many of the deductions while lowering the amount withheld. And I didn't pay in what I was supposed to pay for income I got from non-salary sources.
On the tights, I've been wondering if the mesh/net/transparent panels do make them cooler. I don't have leggings, but I do have long underwear and they really are warm and seem to be about the same if you disregard the flap that I can pee through.
Have you tried opening the flap instead?
126 is right. We end up owing taxes every year but we haven't had to pay a penalty yet.
Most US workers pay their taxes PAYE, except for freelancers and the self-employed. For others non-salary sources are the main issue, along with the weird changes to withholding many people weren't expecting. These issues are solved by either withholding more from your pay if you have a regular employer or by making estimated payments quarterly.
We haven't done federal estimated taxes, but (and this is particularly relevant to Moby) we do have to pay state estimated taxes. However, you don't have to do this quarterly; you can send them one big check at the beginning of the tax year. And again there's a 10% cutoff (or somewhere in that range), so you just have to get it close enough and don't have to fret too much about the details. Ignore TurboTax, the state will send you a letter when they think you need to do this.
Turbo Tax did some big presentation on calculating our PA tax penalty before telling us it $0.00. Asshole of a program.
I did my taxes by hand the last two years, instead of TurboTax (although last year I cross referenced against TT). I think it was worth it, even though a few of the worksheets are annoying. Everything is operationalized so only need very basic math to do it, but that makes it feel like you're running assembly code instead of simplifying a not-that-complicated mathematical expression.
I'm just not going to pay ahead of time if they are going to make me do the paper work and mail a check.
PA lets you do it online, too, for like a $3 fee.
In my kleptocracy...but I repeat myself.
138: I mean, if you're using credit/debit cards; presumably it's free if you're doing a bank-to-bank transaction (harder to confirm this because I don't feel like creating an account, etc.). For cards they warn it's $3.95 for debit cards and 2.49% for credit cards, which is unfortunately too high to take advantage of unless you have a particularly amazing card.
138: Your kleptocracy probably lacks a business that profits from filing these things for tax payers.
The funny thing is that when I was an undergraduate, a grad student wrote nearly the same thing, except it was about tight pants or pajama pants.
Leggings are thicker than they used to be. I like them for working out (and since I've been deadlifting my butt looks really good in them), but I don't really feel put together when I'm wearing leggings. I'm not really into super cute gym outfits (I'm cheap), and some of them, like midriff-baring tops, seem impractical for working out with weights.
I can't wear a midriff-baring top because I never remember to check for belly-button lint in the morning.
Though I guess if I always wore them, there's no way for lint to collect there.
I can't wear midriff baring tops because I'd be embarrassed. But I can rock a baggy free event shirt with the neck cut out.
Without the neck cut out, it's more of a mask.
I'm eating a coconut cream pie right now. It's very good.
And practically a salad since coconuts are vegetables.
I dropped my phone and now there's a green line running from top to bottom. That's not good, I think.
I pressed on the spot where the break is and now I have a little green, red, and white stripes.
The white is in the middle. It's like a very tall, narrow Italian flag.
sorry about the phone, mobes, but I am jealous about the coconut cream pie. my dad makes one so superlative that it resembles a diner coconut cream pie that has died and gone to heaven, and then returned to spread the rewards of the blessed.
as to not paying your estimated taxes, it's true that you can get it wrong with only a very small penalty, although you are meant to pay in full april 15 even if you plan to defer the actual calculation of your taxes (which is what I do). however it is my understanding that the amount you contribute to social security in a single year is based at least partially on the amount you pay april 15, or at least that you pay something april 15? that can't be entirely right, as my tax accountant/beloved brother-in-law wouldn't do me wrong on that. last year I paid the estimated, and got nearly half back in the aggressive deductions I took; this year I'm only giving them the actual amount I paid last year (borrowed from my brother hollow laugh) and beloved brother-in-law thinks that's fine. so maybe I'm just trippin' up there about SS contributions.
both my aunt and my sister gave me shit last month about having a crush on bb-i-l which makes me think, hm, is it that evident? which, apparently so. not really any harm since a) it's just a warm crush I'm nursing without any intention of doing anything about it; I always try to have one crush in my life, it's entertaining and b) I'm pretty sure my sister-in-law already hates me (not considering the actions which speak louder than words, because she's been incredibly kind to me.) however, if my husband spent hundreds of hours solving someone's mental problems, and lent her (and my brother) all our non-retirement savings, I'd be pretty salty about it. also so many nights together in the hot tub (in an actual entirely innocent fashion as it happens) would piss me off as well. if she wanted to stay up later she could come all the time, but she doesn't. that's, like, an annoyance factor right there though.
there's a green line running from top to bottom.
You accomplished in a moment something that's taken Boston 30 years and counting.
We Airbnb our place so I pay estimated taxes on that but we did a lot less of it last year, and I also changed jobs so overpaid SS tax which gets credited against the rest of what you owe, but still ended up way behind. I suspect it's federal withholding shenanigans because I ended up with a small state refund and followed the same behavior as before for both.
https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/womens/trino-tight
These are not leggings but are called tights. I wear them everyday to go for walks and put on long underwear in the winter. Patagonia which usually fits me had something similar, but I didn't feel that I could move my knee when I tried them on That makes me to scared to try more form fitting thermal leggings. I just think they would me uncomfortable.
Re: taxes. Just finished doing mine yesterday. It is such a racket that TurboTax charges $25 per state return. We print and mail those. $7 each because I owe $16 because of $160 in dividend income, and Tim gets a refund, so they have to go to different addresses.
I clicked on links and now the various webpages I visit are serving me a steady diet of leggings and comfortable womens' bathing suits.
151.1: Thanks. I'm waiting to see if they can fix it. I'm sorry I can't mail you a pie. I don't even like cream pies and that one was just great.
They fixed it. Seems good as new. Really weird feeling because I'm so used to the cracks as a move across.
In 270 days, I can boycott Israel. Unless somebody pays me more money.
That's just the process. American states are supposed to get so fed up with paying me not to boycott Israel that Israel changes its behavior.
OT: Inspired by Heebie, I may start blogging again: http://robotphd.tumblr.com
