Re: Guest Post - cheat lie WINNING repeat

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Reminds me of someone I once knew.


Posted by: James Bond | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:41 AM
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I've known people like that, but they were under age ten.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:08 AM
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I picture this like Napoleon in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:34 AM
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I confess, I found that film lacking in whelm.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:35 AM
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That's because young people don't appreciate classics.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:36 AM
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And I'm being polite because it graced us with the gift of Keanu, these many sordid years later.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:39 AM
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Anyway, Napoleon cheating transparently in a game against children seems about right as a parallel to Trump.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:42 AM
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I actually remember nothing from that movie except that it had that comedian whose name I can't remember.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:45 AM
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Jane Wiedlin, but she is a musician and not a comedian.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:49 AM
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Maybe millennials will kill golf and we can re-purpose all the golf courses to build public housing.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:55 AM
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They're trying to turn one nearby into a nature preserve.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:58 AM
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8: I'm guessing Rodney Dangerfield.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:13 AM
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I'm actually very suspicious of the story in the OP. In the interview he says that the story was published in Golf Magazine and there's a link to the article. But the article doesn't tell the story about Trump cheating by claiming the ball that didn't go in the lake.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:16 AM
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The Atlantic goes off in the weeds about how Trump's behavior is hurting golf just as the sport was losing its plaid-trousered rich-asshole trappings

That article is written by the author of the book.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:20 AM
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There's an earlier and fuller writeup of the book in a golf website (golf.com, no less) that might help: https://www.golf.com/news/features/2019/04/02/how-why-president-trump-cheats-golf-playing-tiger-woods/


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:24 AM
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I have seen this story repeated inserting the fact that the son was a ten-year-old kid -- even if the story is true, I have also seen tweets claiming that that bit is false, the son was a grown man. (Do I have links for either of those? No.) But if that comes up again, it's worth noting that the version in the OP doesn't claim that the son was a child.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:30 AM
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there's a note at the bottom of the story, clarifying that originally the story misrepresented the son's age, and that it's been corrected.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:32 AM
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16: Originally the Vox story said Ted Virtue's kid was 10 years-old. Then they posted a correction - his sons are both in their 20s.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:33 AM
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17: I added value because I capitalized words.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:34 AM
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14: I refuse to let people dictate a topic just because they wrote a whole book on that topic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:43 AM
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I somehow missed the name. Stealing from 'Virtue' is a bit on the nose.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:45 AM
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I read somewhere that the guy's kids are much older than that.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:46 AM
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oops


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:46 AM
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|| NMM2 Doris Day |>


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:52 AM
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22: Older than 10, or than 20s?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:54 AM
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10. Thus 23.

This whole line of inquiry is silly. He's a shit person, we all know that. People who support him find his defiance of convention entertaining, and, anyway, think the he's going to cheat the liberals/people of color in their favor, so why not.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 7:57 AM
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The golf.com article doesn't say anything about Virtue's son being there -- https://www.golf.com/news/2019/03/10/president-trump-club-championship-did-not-enter/

That story in itself is a pretty good illustration of what a petty shithead he is -- but the way of such things is that people want to make the story even better, so they add more Trump cheating which probably happened but was a completely separate incident.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:02 AM
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think the he's going to cheat the liberals/people of color in their favor, so why not.

But he's not hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:17 AM
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I am drawn to the position that loss, and the ready surrender, to such a leering depravity indict the progressive affect, if not all its projects. I would like to be able to rehearse the old "structural" and "systemic" excuses, but contempt exhausts me.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:19 AM
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26 is probably true, but by demographic and social traits, I suspect that every man (other than my father) who lectured me about fair play and good sportsmanship voted for Trump.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:21 AM
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30: Fair play and sportsmanship are fine principles, but desperate measures are required to keep intruders off the field.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:26 AM
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It will help me deflect conversation with my Trump-supporting, golf-loving dad when I go back home for summer, "he cheats at golf, enough said."


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:28 AM
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30: The Flip-Pater is in that aged-and-white demographic, but he was in town yesterday and we talked at length about Trump's foulness, the vacancy of his "winning" and his lying, isolating arguments for fear, if that helps.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:34 AM
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Of course, he doesn't care about golf.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:37 AM
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Nobody should.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 8:40 AM
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My extensive research indicates that since the beginning of the 20th century you have to play golf to get reelected President. The only Presidents that didn't golf were Hoover and Carter - both one-term Presidents.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 9:24 AM
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24. Ah, she was a great singer.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 9:56 AM
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36: You can't be including FDR, can you?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 9:58 AM
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He said extensive, not exhaustive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 10:10 AM
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I'm thinking FDR compensated with yachting.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 10:17 AM
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Various articles have identified FDR's yacht as a place of refuge from the handiwork of Eleanor's chosen, and violently terrible, White House cooks.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 10:37 AM
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A private club, in other words.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 10:41 AM
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Oh man. I read Hawaii the riot act yesterday for saying something about only swimming in private pools because public pools are full of gross people. Clearly she was repeating something she's heard other people say, and I acknowledged that, and tried to claim that I was just explaining other people's odious beliefs underpinning that statement and not hers, but she was still pretty stung by how hard I dug in.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 11:52 AM
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38; https://www.thepilot.com/opinion/remembering-fdr-and-his-golfing-legacy/article_e98bccfa-ca3b-11e3-8988-001a4bcf6878.html

One of the most avid golfers of all the Presidents! But yes, you're right, he didn't golf while he was President.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 12:11 PM
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For pseudonymity reasons I will not say how close I am at this moment to FDR's yacht, but I'm pretty close.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 12:46 PM
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45: Good on you. Not enough people around here livetweet their piracy. Enjoy the "Fresh Salt."


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 1:03 PM
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Liveblog? There's a verb we use, but I can't remember it.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 1:03 PM
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45: I believe it's possible to visit but it is not wheelchair accessible/ADA compliant. Is my memory right?


Posted by: Lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 1:56 PM
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48: That seems ironic but completely unsurprising for a boat dating from the 1940s.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 2:12 PM
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They had a legal requirement that all stores selling or servicing wheel chairs be on the third or higher floor of a building without an elevator.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 2:50 PM
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Which is why they used large boats to sell and service wheelchairs - the third floor was level with the ground, thus enabling people in wheelchairs easy access via a gangplank.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 3:09 PM
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Looks like: "Wheelchair access is limited to the main deck, only, and the maximum width (outside of wheel to outside of wheel) is 25 inches."


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 3:29 PM
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I had to google how wide butts are to see if there was enough room for the wheels.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 4:44 PM
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Butt-haver, measure thyself.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:15 PM
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The internet is killing my willingness to look stuff up. I open the weather app to see if it is raining even if I'm in a room with a window.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:17 PM
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That is, my willingness to look stuff up for myself.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:18 PM
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I'm curious what would happen if someone pulled the same shit on Trump. Like all bullies, it's been extensively demonstrated that he can dish it but can't take it. If someone else kicked Trump's balls (the golf ones) or took free mulligans, would Trump sulk away? Cheat even more? The one thing I can't see is Trump actually confronting his opponent.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:46 PM
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I think that's why he only golfs on his own courses.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:47 PM
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What, so he'd expel the cheater? Maybe but certainly not face to face- he's probably drive off the course and send a security guard to kick the person out.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:51 PM
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Maybe they would settle their differences in a high-stakes round of golf with Chevy Chase playing on the team of one and a racist caricature on the other's side.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:54 PM
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IMDB says I'm getting my movies confused. Chevy Chase and a genie.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 5:57 PM
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Sinbad costarred with Chevy Chase?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:01 PM
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Somebody has to.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-13-19 6:06 PM
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