Re: Guest Post - Minneapolis, the Anti-Semitism Capital of the U.S. (30s/40s)

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Al Franken mentioned the local antisemitism in one of his books. That's all I recall hearing about it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 5:43 AM
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I am woefully unprepared for Gen Z, but too old to really feel this is something I should fix.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:02 AM
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But the video makes you feel better, yes/yes?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:03 AM
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I'm too old to turn on the sound.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:05 AM
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I did try. It was people saying "Shut up." But I missed what they were responding to.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:08 AM
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I'd kinda love to see a side-by-side of the before and after, to see what counted as photoshop in 1938. How smoothly was this accomplished?

Go to the bottom of the same link! There's a counter-pamphlet published by the smeared campaign showing the before and after. Under "FORGERY! FRAME-UP! Republican Plot Exposed!"


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:11 AM
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I couldn't figure out how to restart and it was playing another video so I dropped it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:13 AM
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5: I did listen with sound. It's a take down of the police/crime stats that are frequently cited, with the objections being that black neighborhoods are over policed, whites are under charged, and sample sizes are small. It really seems like 20 seconds dedicated to your interests... though admittedly, I didn't like the music.


Posted by: Mooseking | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:18 AM
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8: I listened. The poster thinks that vid reflects well on Gen Z? Seriously? Murder rate disparities are because small sample size and whites are underpoliced?


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 9:58 AM
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Countdown to natilo showing up and saying it was "southrons" who were responsible for the antisemitism in Minneapolis.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:13 AM
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Ridiculous. Southrons were long-term voluntary allies of Sauron, one of the more obvious Jewish moneylender allegories of popular fiction.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:20 AM
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Southern Norway.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:21 AM
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it's super cute and they're thinking critically about tough issues!


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:21 AM
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Norway is like that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:23 AM
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Having clicked none of the golden links (because where the fuck is Minneapolis, honestly? Name like that, the place was probably made up by a scribe) was anything described actually worse than the US norm at the time?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:29 AM
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I don't know what the Minneapolis City Council is going to accomplish, but I know something about attempts to improve the quality of municipal services by reducing funding. Usually, neither actually occurs. Sometimes the budget is actually reduced. Improvement doesn't follow unless someone is willing to pay for it (like when state aid replaced the municipal budget for Camden City).

I'm sure there's plenty of waste in the police department budget, but usually the wasteful parts are not what's reduced. It's an especially weird response to a problem that is not in the slightest bit about money.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:43 AM
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I don't know what the Minneapolis City Council is going to accomplish, but I know something about attempts to improve the quality of municipal services by reducing funding. Usually, neither actually occurs. Sometimes the budget is actually reduced. Improvement doesn't follow unless someone is willing to pay for it (like when state aid replaced the municipal budget for Camden City).

I'm sure there's plenty of waste in the police department budget, but usually the wasteful parts are not what's reduced. It's an especially weird response to a problem that is not in the slightest bit about money.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:43 AM
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Minneapolis is a common place to change planes when flying from Pittsburgh to Lincoln.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:45 AM
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15: Yes, the link goes into detail on that point.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:54 AM
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Ok. Why?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:55 AM
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Tupac might not be on board with the defund the police movement.

https://twitter.com/SteveBellow/status/1270763097649643520


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 10:57 AM
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INSTEAD OF WAR ON POVERTY
THEY GOT A WAR ON DRUGS SO THE POLICE CAN BOTHER ME


Posted by: OPINIONATED TUPAC | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 11:00 AM
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If the answer doesn't involve Paul Bunyan I might not pay attention.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 11:04 AM
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20: Fuck if I know. Maybe something about the specific mix of Northern European immigrants made them especially gung-ho about creating a new form of whiteness via excluding Jews?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 11:24 AM
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Huh, Utah had a Jewish governor in 1917 and out of the first three Jewish governors in the U.S. one was Utah and one was Idaho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bamberger


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 11:30 AM
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21: Aw yeah, if Tupac were alive he'd totally be your best friend.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 12:58 PM
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mcmc!


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 1:11 PM
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10: there's more influence there than most people would like to admit, Pelley's Silver Legion was headquartered in NC after all, but some of the worst people were from other parts of the Midwest and East (Dight from PA, Burnquist from Iowa, Coffman from Indiana). There were quite a few Germans here of course, although they were the victims of a lot of bigotry during WWI. But my sense is that much of the antisemitism was generated by people of British descent whose ancestors had been here for awhile. I would guess that propaganda from Henry Ford and his ilk was a major influence as well.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 2:53 PM
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Nicholson was born in Ohio, apparently.

I did point out the history of antisemitism here just a week ago in our discussion of why the Lake St Target had no liquor to loot, FYI. The hockey team for St Louis Park is occasionally still greeted with bagels thrown onto the rink when they play in the deep suburbs.



Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 3:53 PM
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Were there a lot of Ford plants in Minnesota?

Father Coughlin was from Detroit, so there's that connection there.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-10-20 8:14 PM
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11 I read them as Moors.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 12:15 AM
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Sauron is the Jew. Ensnaring the good honest peoples of Middle Earth with gifts of gold reclaimed at usurious rates. Duh.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 1:19 AM
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I'm reading a twitter thread saying the Mercator projection is white Christian supremacy and I'm losing my goddamned mind. The original tweet has 174,000 RTs and 425,000 likes.

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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 1:48 AM
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33: The Internet was a mistake.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 3:43 AM
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The Craig projection map, on the other hand, is Muslim supremacy. (Though it needn't be; you could configure it for any point. Easter Island, say, or Duluth.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 4:02 AM
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It only needs to be flipped so south as at the top like the Idrisi Tabula Rogeriana


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 4:14 AM
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I would not be surprised if someone in Britain in about 1908 or so attempted to come up with a projection that had the UK in the middle and all the pink bits distorted to look as large as possible. (I suppose the sea-centred projection whose name I forget achieves much the same.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 4:18 AM
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I've seen Mercator maps with Australia top centre. They're still massively distorted but the shipping lanes remain straight, which is the point. I believe they're more or less standard in Oz.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 5:05 AM
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39: Spilhaus. IIRC it's actually fairly area-preserving.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 5:10 AM
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And designed by a Minnesotan*. Full circle!

*or at least by a chap who later moved to Minnesota.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 5:29 AM
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Any fat-assed circle can be full. Question is, is it *great*.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 5:42 AM
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Mercator Projection maps made the Trans-Atlantic slave trade possible, so . . .


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 6:06 AM
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42 And all the other horrors wrought by the Dutch and British East India Companies, true. But this was saying that Mercator invented it to center white Christian Europe which is just false.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 6:12 AM
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The trans-Atlantic slave trade started about sixty years before Mercator, though.

this was saying that Mercator invented it to center white Christian Europe which is just false.

The exact centre of a Mercator map is, looks like, the Cape Verde Islands.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Mercator_1569.png


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 6:19 AM
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The clear winner in Mercator is Greenland. Part of a 1,000 year master plan -- the next step will be the replacement of statues of Columbus with statues of Guðríður víðförla Þorbjarnardóttir.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 6:30 AM
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UnÞinkable!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 6:39 AM
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46: No, no, that's Molly Brown.


Posted by: Opinionate J. Bruce Ismay | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 7:23 AM
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44: Totes slavery. Barry is wrong.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 7:29 AM
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Yes, that part of the world was pretty crucial...more the Canaries, but not off by much.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 7:43 AM
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48 that the motivation for Mercator to invent his projection was to center white Christian Europe? Because that was the argument I was objecting to and it's false. That his motivation was to invent a reliable chart that was more useful for navigation because a conformal map projection preserves the angles and you can plot a constant course on one and therefore it would be useful for trade including trade in slaves, true enough.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 7:53 AM
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Gives "canary in the coal mine" a whole new meaning.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 7:55 AM
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I finally heard back, sort of, from my friend in Minneapolis with the cop brother. She's getting death threats for being related to him, hate speech on work calls, and they've had to evacuate twice because of credible threats.

Then she said she didn't want to talk about it, in a very cranky way, so I don't know any more details than that.

I sure wish nobody was making death threats to the police force's family members, though.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 1:17 PM
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Wow, that's awful.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 1:20 PM
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That is awful.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 2:11 PM
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Does the Greenwich Observatory still have a sign at the entrance that says, "The Centre of Time and Space"?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 2:13 PM
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Stupid Copernicus.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 2:17 PM
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48. You're just trolling now*. The Mercator projection lets you steer your ship at constant angles. It was widely used by racists and white supremacists, but that's because it was widely used by everyone.

* Dull day at the office?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 3:03 PM
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Up again at 3 am for my walk at the marina with Pola.

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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 5:12 PM
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And back again. Another 5 miler.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 8:37 PM
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Me of course


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-11-20 8:38 PM
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37: I would not be surprised if someone in Britain in about 1908 or so attempted to come up with a projection that had the UK in the middle and all the pink bits distorted to look as large as possible. (I suppose the sea-centred projection whose name I forget achieves much the same.)

Yes, Mercator is pretty good for this. Check out this "Imperial Federation Map of the World" from the Colonial and Indian Exhibition in 1886 (there were various proposals to turn the Empire into a Federation of sorts).


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 06-12-20 2:56 AM
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61 Great map, I almost bought a copy for my library. Of course I'd never be able to display it because of all the tits on it.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-12-20 3:02 AM
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Enlightened topless imperial federation?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-12-20 3:16 AM
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Neither enlightened, nor topless, nor a federation.


Posted by: Opinionated Voltaire | Link to this comment | 06-12-20 4:02 AM
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