Is that a difference of kind, or of scale?
It's fundamentally different than Pizzagate, I think, or Dominion destroyed voting machines or whatever. Those are just made up wholesale and there's no acknowledgement that there's no evidence on the current scale. Less "theory where we're still hunting for evidence" and more "baldfaced lie where we're not actually hunting for evidence".
In some cases the Q stuff seems to intentionally be in contradiction to the facts to better identify the true believers. If you believe a child porn ring was run out of the basement of a building that doesn't have a basement you're truly a part of the team.
Like the Bank Account in Nairobi scam - IIRC, the point is to identify hopelessly gullible people.
I don't think it's gullibility in the case of Q. It's a clear sign that if they want to kill somebody, they don't care if the reason is plausible or not.
They weren't in an official voter box; they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but they weren't in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it, and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it, but slow motion, and it was magnified many times over, and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.
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Let's face it, Brad, I mean. They did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody has ever seen them stuffed before.
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And again, we have a version that you haven't seen, but it's magnified. It's magnified, and you can see everything. For some reason, they put it in three times, each ballot, and I don't know why. I don't know why three times. Why not five times, right?
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That's to my point. He's not trying to convince he's right. He's telling you the lie to repeat to be in the group.
To my point, but somebody else went through the actual trouble to format and post it.
As someone who identifies birds on the internet...the phenomenon of endless arguments about terminally blurry photos are very familiar. And if there are no photos at all, good luck convincing any observer that they saw what you know they saw, and not what they said they saw. Thank goodness for improved photographic equipment. I guess this is slightly on topic? There was a giant kerfuffle played out in the scientific literature about the supposed rediscovery of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker. Eventually someone pointed out that the image in the film was exactly six pixels. But in the meantime there was news coverage from everywhere and I think they made a Ivory-billed Woodpecker postage stamp. A nonpolitical mass hallucination.
Hugo Chavez, funded by George Soros, started a secret ivory-billed woodpecker breeding program. These elusive birds were trained in ballot theft and someday the 11,780 Trump ballots will be discovered in a Florida swamp where the antifa ivory-billed woodpeckers hid them.
11: Of course! Zombie Fidel and Zombie Hugo are dancing around the bonfire of the 11,780 Trump ballots.
If he tries to sell you a woodpecker, check closely.
I don't know, but it takes a trained technician to look under the feathers and figure out the sex of a chicken too young for secondary sex traits to have appeared. It can't count for much.
it takes a trained technician to look under the feathers and figure out the sex of a chicken too young for secondary sex traits to have appeared.
The lesser known earlier motto of the Perdue poultry company.
It seems kind of strange that this is a second peak in Covid deaths and it's less in the news than it was for most of the summer. Everybody is telling about crazy shit because things are very broken.
LA ambulances are told to ration oxygen, only use for patients under 90%. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-04/los-angeles-hospitals-cannot-keep-up-covid-19-surge-illness
19: Someone posted a few days ago at the Other Place that the other policy change was that anyone who could not be resuscitated by EMTs at the site (after a heart attack, stroke, whatever) was not to be transported to the hospital for further efforts, just declared dead. Given the odds of full recovery for that patient population, I can't argue with the decision (and might not argue with it as a default policy), but it was pretty alarming. I'd been looking for a confirmation that this was, in fact, the new direction.
Like footage from 9-11 that truthers use
I will confess that I spent one very uncomfortable Saturday morning sometime back in the aughts watching and rewatching Building 7 collapse videos. It had the emotional valence of childhood transgressions.
It is interesting to me that the self-policing om 9-11 led to the discourse sort of ignoring that it was in fact a fucking conspiracy (just not one including US government actors), and that yeah, sometimes the two guys down at the end of the bar in Florida are up to something as is the guy learning to fly a plane but not so interested in how to land it.
Ron Rosenbaum has a great corpus pf works on conspiracy theories and the like with links to a number of his articles).
I struggle so hard to figure things out--and find so many questions unanswerable--that I'm allergic to people who overstate their claims of certitude. I resent--and am fascinated by--people's overconfidence in their theories, whether they are about the Kennedy assassination, about the spy Kim Philby, about what made Hitler tick. Time after time, I'd find each debate dominated by people who were convinced of their own truth, when in fact there were a half-dozen conflicting truths.
D-squared actually has some interesting takes on conspiracy theories.
Somewhat infuriating to me that the coverage of guys like the Wisconsin anti-vax pharmacist while covering his loony beliefs on vaccines have not really tied them back to how those beliefs have been amplified and endorsed by the right-wing echo chamber. For instance an osteopath who was a key pusher of the vaccines alter your DNA OH NOZ!! stuff is a featured speaker a one of the MAGA rallies tomorrow alongside George Papadopoulos and Roger Stone . (I think it is being sponsored by UPMFSP--United Medical Freedom Super PAC.)
I think one of the things that fuels conspiracy theories of a certain kind (those related to massive fuckups like letting a President get shot or planes crash into buildings) is that there generally are a lot of individual screwups (or in hindsight, screw ups) before during and after the event which various people are loathe to let see light of day for perfectly "normal" venial reasons. An example was an air traffic supervisor in Long Island (IIRC) destroying tapes of the response; I suspect because it did not show him/his people in a good light. Also see a lot of the Warren Report. All of it adds fuel to the subsequent conflagrations.
In the Nashville bombing it has been revealed that his girlfriend (and her lawyer) told the police that he was building a bomb in an RV a year ago but for various (somewhat understandable*) reasons it did not really get pursued with vigor. In the event this seems to have been quickly revealed but one can easily imagine a scenario where someone tries to cover that up and when it does come out it has the stench of complicity.
*Caveat: understandable in our white guys are the salt of the earth world.
You have to wonder how many older white, conservative guys in Tennessee aren't building a bomb.
I think the last word on conspiracy theories goes to Archbishop Vig\ano interviewed by Steve Ban\non: Labelling those who denounce the existence of a conspiracy as "conspiracy theorists" confirms, if anything, that this conspiracy exists, and that its authors are very upset at having been found out and reported to public opinion."
Or, as Jesus once said, Feed my Sheeple
20. It's twitter so who news, but here's an image purporting to be the letter:
https://twitter.com/Pervaizistan/status/1346283751861608449/photo/1
Archbishop Vig\ano has become a complete lunatic. This interview (h/t NW) was fascinating, to say the least.
Why does everyone keep saying that Twitter will clip Trump's wings as soon as he's no longer president? Is this something they've actively said?
It's hilarious that he uses the phrase "Overton window".
27. But that memo is only about oxygen. It's says nothing about not taking patients to hospitals.
Ok. I found it. Here's the link.
28: that's exactly what I'd expect someone working for Them to say.
Shenanigans in Pennsylvania. "The Republican State Senator in Pennsylvania just set a very dangerous precedent: as long as your opponent refuses to concede, you will not be sworn in. No matter that the *highest court in the state* already said the election is Kosher."
Possibly this belongs in the Georgia thread...
I do think that the Bannon interview is even more delicious than the Tosatti one. There's little doubt that Vig\ano wrote the questions as well as the answer -- Bannon may be more at home on a planet where they breathe methane, but he is still a native English speaker. But he probably helped draft the questions, and they are incredible.
For more distant conspiracy theories, this thread via David Neiwert is pretty interesting. I'm kind of fond of the reptilian conspiracy so I'd prefer to think of it as being coopted by antisemites, but...
Here in NY state, I do not have a representative in the house. The Brindisi-Tenney race is still in the courts. This seems, as far as I understand, to be a legitimate issue about which ballots are spoiled, etc. Sometime last month they were within 11 votes.
Recall that Franken was not seated until about June with real consequences.
I support a national popular vote but a scenario that's bothered me is what if the popular vote is extremely close? Right now it's dumb because a tipping point state can be close and result in shenanigans, but what happens if we still have 51 independently administered elections and one candidate needs to "find" a few thousand votes in any one of those jurisdictions?
34. Deranged lunacy. I did see that one of the questions refered to the pope by his regnal name. That's something that V refuses to do. I believe, on no solid evidence, he sees Francis as an anti-pope and Benedict as the actual one.
I simply consider who Trump's adversary is and his numerous ties to China, the deep state, and the advocates of globalist ideology. I think of his intention to condemn us all to wear masks, as he has candidly admitted. I think of the fact that, incontestably, he is only a puppet in the hands of the elite, who are ready to remove him as soon they decide to replace him with Kamala Harris.
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It would be an irreparable disaster if Joe Biden, who is heavily suspected of being complicit with the Chinese dictatorship, would be designated as President of the United States.
Right now it's dumb because a tipping point state can be close and result in shenanigans, but what happens if we still have 51 independently administered elections and one candidate needs to "find" a few thousand votes in any one of those jurisdictions?
I guess a national recount? But that would be vanishingly unlikely compared to what happens now.
35: Thanks! I had never really understood the Reptilian Conspiracy before.
The Reptilian Illuminati keep humanity in a state of fear and anxiety in order to feed on these emotions, which Icke claims are sustenance to beings made of less dense matter.
Isn't this the premise of "Monsters Inc"?