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I thought the latest bill pegs it to the median wage.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:13 PM
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Yep. Also gets rid of the subminimum tipped wage.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/democrats-reintroduce-15-minimum-wage-bill-with-unified-control-of-congress.html


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:15 PM
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Yeah, it might not have been in the same breath, but I thought it was pretty commonly on the policy menu right alongside. California has moved to indexing.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:25 PM
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Oh really? I had the wonder and did some EXTREMELY LIGHT googling. Well, that's great then!

Should I edit the post to be less dumb? Eh, it'll just drum up business for guest posts.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:26 PM
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Noah Smith basically said: yes, this is dumb, but it's what activism has been pushing for, it's having its political moment, and we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Pretty disappointing if it isn't indexed to inflation, though.

But man, imagine if we just said "federal minimum wage is 55% of a CSA/MSA/muSA/rural county's median wage, recalculated annually." And that's the entire law.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:38 PM
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Nevermind, didn't read the above, doing my research now.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:39 PM
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Okay, actually reading the indexed increase here, it increase the $15 (after 2015) to increases in the median wage (if the median wage goes up N%, the minimum wage goes up N%). But as far as I can tell that's the national median wage. Again, suboptimal--doesn't target locally, and doesn't try to closely approach the 59% of median that research shows is where it can actually effect employment--but if this is feasible, they should go for it.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 6:44 PM
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To return to annoying Drum posts, he has one up where he says $15 seems too high so how about $12.50 plus future indexing? No particular reason other than $12.50 is one of the intermediate steps in the current proposal.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 7:19 PM
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5: I've got yer campaign theme song right here:
That's it, that's the law, that's the whole of the law...


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 7:48 PM
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No particular reason other than $12.50 is one of the intermediate steps in the current proposal

Well, that's not quite fair. He says that we've never had a jump this big, and we know that there will be some employment losses, but not how much, so let's go with a smaller number and index it from there.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 8:58 PM
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If Mitch McConnell wants to put $12.50 on the table, let him do that. But until that happens, there is no sense in talking ourselves out of $15.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 9:01 PM
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It needs to be at least $14.67 and can't be more than $15.39. The proof of this is certain, but too large for this comment box to contain.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 9:04 PM
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Isn't another part of the current Democratic proposal that it doesn't actually hit $15 for 5 years? Going up a dollar or so a year?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 9:25 PM
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This is still pretty terrific Alhamdulillah.


Posted by: Roger the cabin boy | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 10:12 PM
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Manchin is also an issue on the $15. He thinks it is not appropriate for West Virginia at least.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 10:21 PM
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He's probably heard too many of the jokes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 3-21 10:34 PM
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What's with all this prudent technocratic governance? Raise it to $15 over 5 quarters, so everyone sees their wages rising right up to the midterms.


Posted by: MC | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 4:44 AM
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Everyone gets paid minimum wage?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 5:29 AM
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On top of base salary.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 5:43 AM
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Minimum wage for some, miniature American flags for others.


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 6:40 AM
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WaPo style section headline writer:
The Greene-House gas effect is toxic. Republicans won't crack a window.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 8:01 AM
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lw


Posted by: 21 was me. | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 8:02 AM
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The thing you have to be careful about with basing it on the average wage is that you can't use a formula that will sometimes result in the minimum wage going *down*. People hate their wages going down and would rather have the minimum wage be lower on average to avoid it ever going down.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 8:44 AM
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A changing conversation: Mitt Romney, of all people, has proposed a $350/child/month allowance for almost everyone (income cutoff, but at high levels).


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 9:12 AM
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Mormon.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 9:13 AM
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Correction, $350 for 0-5s, $250 for 5-17s.

I'm not sure how Mormonism affects it. He was Mormon in his 2012 run when he race-baited about family welfare specifically, and don't the vast majority of Mormons vote Trump?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 9:26 AM
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All those Mormon babies have to cost Mormons a lot of goddamn money.


Posted by: MC | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 9:43 AM
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It's Utah so you can raise them for cheap.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 9:45 AM
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The lack of a Christian Democrat style party in the US is pretty striking, it's good to see Romney trying to move a bit in that direction. It's what a Republican party that had an interest in being popular and winning election fairly would look like.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 9:47 AM
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Think of all the money you save on Pepsi.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:02 AM
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Costs the same without caffeine.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:05 AM
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don't the vast majority of Mormons vote Trump?

Maybe, but nearly every Mormon I personally know (NB: likely not a representative sample) places a very high value on manners and politeness and have disliked Trump since the first campaign, in public at least.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:30 AM
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A lot of loyal Republicans dislike Trump too, but still voted for him.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:31 AM
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Yes, if only people who didn't think he was a complete piece of shit voted for him, be would never have won.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:37 AM
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Looks like Romney's plan is mostly more generous than Biden's, but has an annual benefit cap of 15k, so those with 4 or more little kids, or 6 or more kids of any age will do worse. Surprise, Mormons!


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:43 AM
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That's what happens when you elect a Masshole.


Posted by: MC | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:51 AM
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Stupid Tom Brady in another Super Bowl is still better than Patriots in a Super Bowl.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 10:53 AM
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My ex-Mormon friends tell me that between 2016 and 2020, their extended community drank the koolaid. In 2016 they held their nose for Trump, but by 2020 they were rabid and disturbing.

I'd say a similar thing happened here in Texas. In 2016 there was a lot of "Well, we like John Cornyn as our Platonic Ideal, but we'll make this work" and then they became Trump converts over time.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 11:51 AM
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It used to be just another snake cult.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 11:55 AM
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Policy in far away and always complicated. Owning the libs is something you get to do right at home.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 1:46 PM
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Who could have guessed that followers of Joseph Smith could fall for a charismatic criminal who runs ridiculous cons and abuses his position of power to sexually assault young women, all while supporting occasional insurrections against the US.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 1:51 PM
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There is a new pizza place in town called Maroni's, which reminds me of the Angel Moroni, who I roughly understand to be the guy who was there to let Joseph Smith know each time God changed his mind in the nick of time to align with the US government before Smith would be arrested for doing something illegal. It's one of those beliefs I've never wanted to clear up. Also I enjoy the idea that this tough guy Italian angel spoke with a Brooklyn accent. "I'm de Angel Moroni, who needs to know?!", and I also don't need that misperception cleared up either, thanks.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 4-21 2:00 PM
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