Re: Call their bluffs.

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This is indeed great. You can't make people acknowledge basic reality, but if you run an organization or a society, you can build your culture around factuality.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 9:09 AM
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I have heard about other systems where employees seeking a religious exemption get an intimidatingly long form (many pages) which apparently dissuades most of them from even trying. Maybe sort of the paper equivalent of the philosophical interrogations that draft boards used to give would-be conscientious objectors.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 9:34 AM
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I have a friend who used to propose that anyone who didn't believe in evolution only be treated with old antibiotics (penicillin, streptomycin), because clearly drug-resistant strains were impossible. This is even more clever.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 9:51 AM
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Without modern work on genetics, you really couldn't disprove the idea of creating a chimera. So they shouldn't have sex with horses either.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 10:06 AM
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Hit them where it hurts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 10:13 AM
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I have heard about other systems where employees seeking a religious exemption get an intimidatingly long form (many pages) which apparently dissuades most of them from even trying.

But this is a basic play out of insurance agency claim reports, etc, where it's much more pernicious.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 10:33 AM
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Right, it's most often pernicious, but that seems to me not inherent in it as a method, just in the uses to which its put. If it dissuades religious exemptions which should not be allowed anyway, it's a good thing.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 10:56 AM
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REALLY wish Viagra was on that list.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 11:48 AM
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The freedom to not wear masks or get vaccines is the freedom to not be inconvenienced for the benefit of others. But filling out a long form is an inconvenience, too, so that requirement fits neatly with the assholes' ideology and will get results.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:12 PM
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7: It still makes me uneasy to endorse a method as long as it's only used for good. Whereas the method in the OP - hold someone accountable to their language - seems more universally safe to promote.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:29 PM
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Meanwhile, a university with which I am familiar has decided that its 'vaccination policy for the spring' will be either a) upload a pic of your vaxx card to the Google form or b) click a radio button indicating you have a personal exemption. It is literally less of a pain in the ass to claim an exemption than it is to declare oneself vaccinated.


Posted by: Fed Up | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:31 PM
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That seems like a bad idea.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:33 PM
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That is a terrible idea.

In contrast, Heebie U has a rule that you either upload a photo of your vax card, or you have to upload a notorized form saying that you are claiming an exemption. The notary part seems to be purely a workaround for the problem in 11.

I was there when some business school profs were protesting because the function of a notary is to verify someone's identity, which has nothing to do with claiming an exemption. I enjoyed mightily hearing the administration tell them kindly to go stuff it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:46 PM
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I asked occ health for non egg flu vaccine because I don't like egg factory farming, and I suspect it works better, but I don't have an egg allergy. It costs more, so the nurse tried to talk me out of the one they carried (flublok - I guess flucelvax used to start w/egg) by telling me that it was made with insects. Presumably if my objection was based on veganism, I would be appalled by that and go with the egg one. She made me sign something as well.

I was wondering if I could get out of our flu shot requirement if I could get into Moderna's flu vaccine clinical trial, but there isn't a site near me.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:50 PM
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My employer had an "upload a scan of your card" to a website mandate that completely failed to function. I ended up emailing my scan to HR and they told me I was fine.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:53 PM
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But what are the Novavax people who have, at this point, *all* received an active vaccine, which works pretty well but is not authorized, supposed to do for verification purposes.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:54 PM
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I get the cage-free eggs from the Whole Foods.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:58 PM
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Which has nothing to do with my flu shot, but I'm paying like $4 per dozen so the hens should focus on other people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 12:59 PM
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I still eat eggs! I also think the non- egg flu shots are a little bit better, because they avoid mutations that are adapted to virus growing in eggs. That's my main reason for preferring it. My local pharmacy doesn't care, so I just go there.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 1:00 PM
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I eat eggs, but for minor vandalism, I now use beaning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 1:03 PM
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It's vegan, unless I can only find pork and beans.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-17-21 1:04 PM
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Roll that beautiful beaning footage!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-18-21 7:41 AM
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I'm of the generation raised to not film their crimes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-18-21 8:38 AM
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Except treason.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-18-21 9:17 AM
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