Re: Idle thought

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I'm assuming a reply of 'K' works too.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 5:26 AM
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And then if you do that to an Android user, they get a text "Liked '(repeated text of previous message)."

Apparently it's entirely Apple's choice that iOS doesn't play nice with Android, incidentally - there's a framework for different texting gardens to cross-commune, which they don't participate in.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 5:40 AM
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Yes. It's annoying for the lone Android user in a group chat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 5:47 AM
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I always think it's kind of funny. If there's any Android user, we all get the dumb message.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 5:55 AM
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My cousin can "love" texts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 5:57 AM
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Pew pew!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 6:48 AM
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I've spent thirty odd years not being impressed by Apple's design and interface choices, and I see no reason to change my mind now. I'm a dedicated android user and nobody should feel obliged to respond to anything I send unless they have something coherent to say.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 8:49 AM
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5: And I thought "love" was only possible on Facebook.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 8:50 AM
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That's just infatuation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 8:56 AM
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I've spent thirty odd years not being impressed by Apple's design and interface choices

Yeah, I tried a Mac back in 2007 and gave it up when I realized Apple still hadn't figured out how to properly maximize a window on a desktop.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 9:19 AM
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They peaked with the IIc.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 9:26 AM
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They did. The IIc was amazeballs.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 9:29 AM
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Apparently it's entirely Apple's choice that iOS doesn't play nice with Android, incidentally - there's a framework for different texting gardens to cross-commune, which they don't participate in.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. "Android" doesn't have a messaging system. The default is SMS through phone carriers, which is absolutely not capable of doing the things that iMessage does, most importantly including end-to-end encryption. Obviously, as this whole thread shows, people on SMS can interact with people using iPhone messaging, but the messages from the iPhone users are converted to SMS--and accordingly stripped of features SMS doesn't support.

Google has tried many times to develop non-primitive messaging systems, but they fail every time. Outside the US, nobody uses SMS at all, and the norm for Android and iPhone users alike is to use WhatsApp or some other equivalent that also has features like end-to-end encryption that SMS lacks.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 9:44 AM
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I like my messages like I like my women, insecure and technologically most comfortable in the 90s.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 9:53 AM
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Outside the US, nobody uses SMS at all,

That's not true. WhatsApp is more popular, but people definitely use SMS in Israel.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 10:09 AM
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Hence the saying, "Text here, in Jerusalem. "


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 10:12 AM
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In Mexico, every single person I met used WhatsApp for messaging. I had never used it before going but M warned me I would be effectively incommunicado without it south of the border.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 10:14 AM
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Businesses in the Middle East absolutely use SMS all the time but individuals use WhatsApp


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 10:17 AM
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Doesn't Zuckerberg read your WhatsApp?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 10:25 AM
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"Android" doesn't have a messaging system
It does, Google has been pushing RCS for a while now. But it requires carrier buy-in, so obviously it hasn't caught on in the US. But my understanding is it's the default here in the UK, though obviously WhatsApp is more commonly used by people under say 40.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 11:33 AM
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I think I disabled that because it annoyed me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 11:42 AM
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Heebie laughed at [comment 14]


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 12:12 PM
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I went from using WhatsApp almost exclusively to barely using it after returning to the United States. Mostly I end up using Facebook Messenger, which I hate. My preference still is e-mail.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 12:43 PM
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I've never installed it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 3:48 PM
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Maybe I'll start to use Microsoft Teams, the Android of workplace messaging systems.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 4:03 PM
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Maybe it's the Windows phone of workplace messaging systems?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 4:32 PM
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"We are confident we have built a product that will become the Hebrew National Premium Beef Frank of workplace messaging systems."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 4:49 PM
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Those are the only thing where I'll take beef over pork.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 5:28 PM
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13, 20: When I wrote 2.2, I didn't know much more details than that. But on research, yes I think what I had read was talking about RCS. iOS could adopt RCS as a backup to iMessage when they communicate with phones outside that system, and there would still be plenty of cute features specific to iMessage, but it it would alleviate most of the inconvenient frictions when people cross-communicate - read receipts, typing indicators, even I think likes would become compatible. Of course that would help Google because it would make it easier to switch to Android, but Google is correct that that would be a better ecosystem overall I think.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 7:32 PM
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Also all the major US carriers seem to have adopted RCS - Apple is the holdout.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 7:33 PM
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Why would I want people to know I read and ignored their text? I mean, they'll assume it. But they won't know it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 7:40 PM
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I guess there are some security advantages to stopping using SMS too. Not just questionable perks.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 8:04 PM
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28: And tartare.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 8:08 PM
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And steak. I guess I just meant for sausage things.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-22 8:12 PM
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In Knifecrimea big bureaucracies certainly use SMS because it saves them having to find out whether Grandma runs WhatsApp.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 1-22 10:14 AM
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Did anyone else in the northeast get the crazy QAnon postcard?

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Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 8:16 AM
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Were they trying to sell me Renewal by Anderson windows?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 8:25 AM
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Here's what it looks like. I got one at both my addresses.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 8:38 AM
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38: Sounds totally plausible to me. I'm just curious about Jim Gaffigan's role in this. Or maybe that's someone else.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 9:38 AM
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He's not bad. I was bored and watched his special.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 10:13 AM
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Now I'm wondering if Hot Pockets have a special role in the upcoming Apocalypse.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 10:24 AM
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I didn't see that one.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 11:13 AM
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The problem with RCS is that it's a stinking mound of carrier bullshit. I have personally spent over a decade listening to them talking about how they'd do something about it real soon now but as always with carriers they want to a) bill $1 for everything b) control everything c) spy on everything. It's frankly hilarious that it's still a thing now. They spent a solid five years arguing about the spec and then another five years not deploying it.

Just use Whatsapp, it's cross platform and end-to-end encrypted and has all the digital chocolate bollocks. Or Signal, if you think WhatsApp smells of Facebook. But not Telegram which only pretends to be encrypted and is based in fucking Russia.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 12:16 PM
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35: yes and they have to deal with super shonky spam companies because the carriers spent 15 years not deciding how you'd just send bulk SMS without some weird spammy company and Twilio is not the cheapest bidder


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 12:19 PM
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Does WhatsApp go to my phone number?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 12:19 PM
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45: yes


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 2:24 PM
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Well, that seems fine then.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 3:18 PM
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I've seen the other side of the card there in 38. It looks like schizophrenia to me. Except for the mass mailing part.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 3-22 3:28 PM
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