Re: The Fourth Procedure

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SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 19-1502 THOMAS E. DOBBS, STATE HEALTH OFFICER OF THE MISSISSIPPI DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, ET AL, PETITIONERS v. JACKSON WOMEN'S HEALTH ORGANIZATION, FT AL. ONWRITOFCERTIORARITOTHE UNITEDSTATES COURTOF APPEALSFORTHE FIFTH CIRCUIT obruary_ 2022)
JUSTICEALITO delivered the opinion ofthe Court.
Abortion presents a profound moral issue on which Americans hold sharply conflicting views. Some believe fervently that a human person comes into being at conception and that abortion ends an innocent life. Others feel just as strongly that any regulation of abortion invades a woman's right to control her own body and prevents women from achieving full equality. Still others in a third group think that abortion should be allowed under some but not all cir-cumstances, and those within this group hold a variety of views about the particular restrictions that should be imposed.

Women, as the group ordained by Nature to incubate the next generation, can be subject to regulation by the State to protect the natural birthing process. Men, as the group not given the privilege of birthing the next generation, cannot be compelled to a process against their natural sex under the doctrine of Natural Order, Jobindon, 410 US 2038.


Posted by: Alito, S | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:17 AM
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IF MEN COULD GET PREGNANT, ABORTION WOULD BE A SACRAMENT.


Posted by: OPINIONATED GLORIA STEINEM | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:17 AM
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Of course, it doesn't work quite as well in the current environment because Barrett is going to vote to overturn Roe despite being a woman and having experienced pregnancy (though possibly never an unwanted pregnancy, I suppose).

I suppose you could do an updated sequel where she (or a fictional counterpart) gets kidnapped and forcibly impregnated? That might be less of a fun read, though.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:28 AM
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Sherri Tepper, who wrote a bunch of hamhandedly didactic science fiction, did this one too. I don't remember the whole book, but aliens from some kind of galactic government land on Earth and do all sorts of Poetic Justice things, one of which is having a parasitic-wasp-alien implant a larva in an anti-abortion male politician, on the grounds that given his political beliefs he shouldn't object.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:33 AM
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1 is about what I would expect.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:35 AM
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4: like she wrote it under a pen name?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:50 AM
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No, no, I meant that the book she wrote hits the same note, kind of, as the Fourth Procedure.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 8:53 AM
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Given that ectopic pregnancies can start anywhere, just minor procedures on lawmakers during... hmmmm... routine colonoscopies might work. No artificial womb needed.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 10:49 AM
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"Miss, would you care to donate an egg to be implanted up Ted Cruz's butt?"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 11:12 AM
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"I'm a scientist. Please don't call the police."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 11:30 AM
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I kinda thought at least one of you would have read it, to be honest.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 2:06 PM
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I'm not mad. Just disappointed.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 2:15 PM
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Hi, Disappointed. I'm Moby.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 2:22 PM
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8 is amazing but needs more dart guns.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-30-22 2:39 PM
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Is 1 real? It reads like a parody.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:09 AM
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I'm pretty sure the court has yet to rule on if men can have abortions.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:51 AM
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16: Look for the chokingly unfunny Ricky Gervais bit coming in three weeks, though.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 4:01 AM
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15: Googling the interesting bits in quotes doesn't get any hits, unless I'm doing something wrong. Don't know what it is.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 6:49 AM
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Someone is showing how the premise of the book in the OP is absurd.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 6:54 AM
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And doing it very well, I think.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 6:55 AM
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Possibly on topic: Supposedly, the Supreme Court is demanding to see clerks' phones because they need to pretend the leak was not authorized. If the clerks say "no" and this goes to court, does the whole Supreme Court need to recuse itself or just Alito?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 10:24 AM
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The clerks have nothing to worry about. Even if the Supreme Court tries to issue an order requiring them to do something, the clerk who does the final proofread will change a few words around to let them off the hook.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 11:09 AM
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15, 18: The first paragraph is a direct quote from the very beginning of the opinion.

Ajay has a sharp eye, though. The second graf appears to be an invention.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 12:44 PM
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Alito admits that the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection applies to women, but it's not relevant here:

"[A] State's regulation of abortion is not a sex-based classification and is thus not subject to the 'heightened scrutiny' that applies to such classifications."


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 1:03 PM
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"Sherri Tepper, who wrote a bunch of hamhandedly didactic science fiction, did this one too."

While this is true, "Grass" was a pretty damn good book and I wholeheartedly recommend it. Scared the shit out of my teenage self. The sequel, "Raising the stones" is anvilicious.



Posted by: Nope@nope.com | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 1:08 PM
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I agree with both assessments for Grass and Raising the Stones.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 1:18 PM
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Octavia Butler also wrote a good short story about male pregnancy, Bloodchild.


Posted by: torque | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 1:40 PM
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24: Who knew he was so tolerant of trans men?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 2:07 PM
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25, 26: Was Grass the one with the healer with the maybe genetically engineered snakes? If that's it, I think I read a short story that formed the first part of the novel, but not the whole novel, and again if I have the right thing, it was excellent.

The Fresco was still terrible though. Nothing you'd mention in the same breath as Octavia Butler.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:23 PM
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I honestly don't remember it, but maybe they ride velociraptors through the tall grass? Something like that.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:35 PM
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Grass had aristocrats that conducted hunts for their planetary analog of foxes. Riding on their planetary analogy of horses and accompanied by their planetary analog of hounds. Except that the foxes, horses, and hounds were Not Analogous.

The first part of the book has many creepy set pieces. A sense of "what the hell is going on and why is everyone so okay with this" pervades.


Posted by: Nope@nope.com | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:36 PM
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Grass had aristocrats that conducted hunts for their planetary analog of foxes. Riding on their planetary analogy of horses and accompanied by their planetary analog of hounds. Except that the foxes, horses, and hounds were Not Analogous.

The first part of the book has many creepy set pieces. A sense of "what the hell is going on and why is everyone so okay with this" pervades.


Posted by: Nope@nope.com | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:36 PM
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A sense of "what the hell is going on and why is everyone so okay with this" pervades.

Like life.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-31-22 3:45 PM
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