Re: Pelosi Thread

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Copying my comment from the other thread:

It was going to have to come eventually and now seems as good a time as any. I think it is good that she's sticking around for another term. Jeffries is going to be much worse at the job but her still being around to guide him is probably for the best.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:35 PM
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Wishing for a Feinstein thread (in the sense of Feinstein finally retiring).


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:40 PM
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I congratulate her on a long career in Congressional leadership and wish the best to her and her family.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:42 PM
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Given that it was going to come around anyway, like Teo says, I don't necessarily think it's bad that there are visible repercussions and pain being publicly shown from the attack on Paul Pelosi.

I'm going to say this ineloquently, but: it looks more like terrorism (which it is!) when the consequences are visible. Otherwise it's just so easy to forget it ever happened.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:44 PM
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It's a shame congressional leaders get routinely forgotten by history, compared to presidents. I think her leadership saving the ACA from cowardly abandonment in the home stretch is worth immortalization:

In public, her strategy was to keep stating that reform was moving forward. "We will go through the gate," she said at a January 28 press conference. "If the gate is closed, we will go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we will pole vault in. If that doesn't work, we will parachute in. But we are going to get health reform passed." She also made clear to the White House, through the press and in private meetings, that she wanted no part of what she described as Rahm's "eensy weensy spider, teeny-tiny" bill that would help children only.
With her caucus, Pelosi made a point of listening but not wavering. At a meeting after the Massachusetts elections, junior and vulnerable members lined up at the microphones, decrying reform as a "suicide mission." Pelosi, with Hoyer at her side, heard out every one--and then made a speech of her own, declaring her determination to go forward because they had come so far.
Chris Murphy, who in 2010 was finishing his second term representing a suburban House district outside Hartford, CT, said later, "I just felt like the momentum was heading in the direction of surrender. Pelosi just did not allow it to happen. By sheer will, she turned that room around. People like me, I still wanted to do it but I don't know that I had the confidence to stand up to this tidal wave. She breathed confidence into everybody in that room who wanted to stay the course."

Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:55 PM
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Nebraska schools celebrate George Norris Day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 12:57 PM
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She was very good at the job. It's a difficult job and poorly understood, in part because most of it isn't public-facing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:01 PM
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She didn't get every call right (who does?), but just a tremendous legacy.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:02 PM
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about time that Boomers had a chance at leading the House!


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:20 PM
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Impressive that the likeliest successor, Jeffries, is just 52 years old.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:22 PM
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2: 100%.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:28 PM
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Interestingly, if you take the Pew definition of "boomer", born 1946-1964, McCarthy is 26 days past the boomer cutoff, and Jeffries 6 years.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:29 PM
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5: Nowadays. Before the Civil War Congressional leaders were famous, e.g. Daniel Webster.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:30 PM
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9: Pelosi is silent, yeah? Is Clarke a Boomer? She's not up for Speaker but majority leader, maybe. Is Speaker of the House more powerful than Senate Majority leader?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:33 PM
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12: I thought the Boomers were going to hold out so long that it would pass to a Millenial. Glad to see some representation from Gen X.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:35 PM
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Have you seen how Gen X is voting?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:51 PM
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It doesn't get any GenXier than me.


Posted by: Opinionated Paul Ryan | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 1:56 PM
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Gen X was the most Republican generation in the 2020 exit polls, but in 2022 they were even with Boomers. I hypothesize Trump's COVID response hurt him with occasional-voter Boomers but habitual voters stayed constant.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:06 PM
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18: The numbers that I saw showing Gen X as Republican were heavily included younger boomers. 44-65. GenX is 42- 57.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:28 PM
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17: Republicans don't count.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:28 PM
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Generation X never seems to exist when you go looking for it. Just a bunch of individuals.

I think I'm technically too young to be a Millennial (to the extent that you can be technical about made up categories) but there's never been anything that's given me a sense that I'd fit a Gen X generalization.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:42 PM
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Gen X was the most Republican generation in the 2020 exit polls, but in 2022 they were even with Boomers.

Really?!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 2:50 PM
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I think I'm technically too young to be a Millennial (to the extent that you can be technical about made up categories) but there's never been anything that's given me a sense that I'd fit a Gen X generalization.

Is that supposed to say "too old to be a Millennial"? Or am I even more confused than I thought?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 3:03 PM
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23: you're right. I was thinking in terms of being born too early and then wrote like my age was the too low number, not the birth year.

I should be mortified by the mistake, but as a member of the MTV generation all I can say is: meh.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 3:13 PM
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24: no shame required! I probably should be ashamed that I didn't just figure out what you meant and not mention it.

But back to the topic -- Pelosi was great at what she did, but I think it's time that the Dems got some younger leadership. So, it's extra nice that the other octogenarians in leadership are also stepping down.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 3:21 PM
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Agreed. I was worried the Democrats would not do any transition to younger leadership until after some catastrophic loss where they were completely out of power.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 3:50 PM
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So, the Pennsylvania Democrats took the state House.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 5:36 PM
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Steny Hoyer leaving at the same time also seems meaningful.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 5:49 PM
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Car pooling?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 5:51 PM
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Gen X was the most Republican generation in the 2020 exit polls,

We have learned nothing from Joe Strummer.


Posted by: Rob Helpy-Chalk | Link to this comment | 11-17-22 5:54 PM
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29: sharing an Uber. Their kids won't let them drive.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-22 5:11 AM
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I think I was even reading Unfogged at the time she answered the questions of when Democrats were going to offer their own version of how to privatize Social Security, as Bush the Lesser wanted:

"Never. Is never good enough for you?"


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 11-18-22 6:21 AM
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A Tiktok account dug up a 1987 TV broadcast showing her running for US House for the first time.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-18-22 10:25 AM
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27: Sort of? One of them is dead.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-18-22 11:03 AM
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And one was elected to the U.S. House and won't be able to do the PA House.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-22 11:34 AM
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