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"Red shirt with ass-baring thong" should be okay.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:03 AM
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I do remember a plot line, but I'm not sure if it's from the books or the older movies, where Pooh gets stuck in the opening to his home, and the solution is that he just stays stuck until he slims down over time. That's really not the best way to handle the situation.

More vividly, I tried once to mention this in conversation and the conversation got derailed because "Pooh stuck in the hole" got so thoroughly misunderstood. "No, the opening to the hole. Yes! Poo(h), stuck. You know, the children's movie/book/etc?"


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:09 AM
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You could have worked it out with a pencil.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:10 AM
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Oh, bother.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:24 AM
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2.1 is, I am pretty sure, from the book, because I haven't seen the cartoons.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:31 AM
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Yes, the stuck-in-a-hole double entendre got a great work out in the parodic queer theory reading from, I think, Postmodern Pooh.

Rabbit deciding to decoratively augment Pooh's rear by drawing a face and adding antlers was only in the Disney very.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:50 AM
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*version


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:50 AM
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I wonder if anyone's tried to make a standard reference for which Pooh-elements are or are not Disney.

Can't of course rule out Disney grasping for more, like when the Doyle estate argued Holmes "develop[ing] into a character with a heart" was a component of the later stories still in copyright.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:53 AM
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2.1 is, I'm pretty sure, from the animation because I haven't read the books.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:00 AM
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The books have Tom Bombadil.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:00 AM
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It is Ch 2 in the book, "In Which Pooh Goes Visiting and Gets into a Tight Place:"


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:03 AM
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Obligatory Finnemore: Pooh's Interdivention.
https://youtu.be/tgbk4lmrdF8


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:07 AM
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Here's the animation.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:10 AM
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No wonder he's big. He can't poop.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:18 AM
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That reminds me, is there really a version of "Cats" with butt holes?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:27 AM
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Absolutely not, no way Taylor Swift's contract would allow that.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause endlessly, then go in” (9) | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:32 AM
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A few days back, someone asked whether copyright protections would be extended again, to prevent Mickey Mouse from entering the public domain.

I do not think that this film is a deliberate attempt to support extending copyright. But I think that this film has implications for the fight over extending copyright. And it will be referenced in that fight. And I would not be surprised if a PR agency or industry PAC is encouraging and assisting articles about this otherwise worthless and unremarkable film.


Posted by: nope | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:34 AM
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16: What if Judi Dench asked her nicely?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:36 AM
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It looks like one disgruntled employee has said that yes they did have to edit out some buttholes, but it was just in certain situations. There was never a consistent butthole version.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:45 AM
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17: I had the same thought.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:48 AM
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You can't enter the same butthole twice.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 9:50 AM
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What a horrible thing to do, to not just make but also push this film.

Brian De Palma's great Blow Out begins with a sound technician who has worked in horror chatting about making exploitative horror films (those are the ones he's worked on), it's not a sympathetic view.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 10:04 AM
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That's really not the best way to handle the situation.

You are channeling Gopher, the American animal, that Disney added to the Pooh universe so that it wouldn't be so gosh darn British. I may be remembering this wrong, but I believe Gopher suggests using explosives to free Pooh. This idea is rejected vehemently by both Rabbit and Pooh.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 10:44 AM
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It's like when Reagan tried to get neutron bombs in Europe.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 10:46 AM
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I had no idea there was a live action movie version of Cats. The thing about that play is that I find all the musical numbers to be so un-catchy. Like, relentlessly so.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:33 AM
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Yeah. It sucked so badly it only had one Broadway run.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:37 AM
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25: It was the last thing the internet went seriously bananas over before the pandemic.

As a side effect, all the explainers finally gave me a better idea of why so many people had been so enthusiastic about Cats the musical for so many years - basically, the unreality and emotionality hits a lot harder in the theater (and with practical effects) than on film.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:41 AM
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What emotion?? What is there to care about in that play? And I say that as someone who is awfully fond of cats.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:42 AM
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I agree that there is unreality.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:42 AM
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28: I think the fans pick it up from the songs and to some extent the staging; it's not there on the page.

(Apparently there's a subplot about Grizabella having been outcast by the rest of the cats for promiscuity, that you can't pick up without paying close attention to the staging, how they move around her, etc. Not obviously an ALW creation.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:48 AM
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29: Because real cats have buttholes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:52 AM
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As a matter of settled law, Andrew Lloyd Weber is not famous enough that he can be referred to by initials on even the first reference.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:54 AM
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Requiem for a Pooh


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 11:58 AM
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23 I thought Gopher was in Love Boat .


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 12:03 PM
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The Waste Land


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 12:06 PM
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32: In the precedent you're referencing, Mineshaft v. Wry Cooter, the most prominent ALW musical was not already a topic of discussion. I think I have grounds for appeal.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 12:45 PM
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25: You find that "Memories" song to be uncatchy? Not that I'm saying I like it.

(the only song I know from Cats, but seemingly every singer that came on the Tonight show in the 1980s sang it) Not to say I like it


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 12:53 PM
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I'm afraid it's a not very good. It's not the worst song. It's probably one of the best of the show. But as they say, that's like being valedictorian of summer school.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 1:22 PM
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I think that was Courtney Thorne-Smith (better known from Melrose Place).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 1:26 PM
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Grizabella having been outcast by the rest of the cats for promiscuity, that you can't pick up without paying close attention to the staging

Yes, she's like an aging prostitute cat, and now very down on her luck and destitute. This is original to the source material, although ALW did borrow lines from another of TS Eliot's poems in order to amp up the pathos.

I saw the movie in the theater when it came out, and I kind of loved it, although admittedly I had decided from the outset that I would love it. Also, it was one of those theaters where you can order food and cocktails from your seat, so I was pretty drunk the whole time.

Notwithstanding my own positive feelings about the film, I was surprised that so many respected actors (Judi Dench, Idris Elba, Ian McKellan) weren't prohibited from participation by their dignity or their agents. And they agreed to be in it even before they knew that their buttholes would be edited out!

You find that "Memories" song to be uncatchy? Not that I'm saying I like it.

"Memories" is kind of a terrible song (although I admit I cried in the theater when Judi Dench sang it), but you know what is absolutely unironically great? The disco version by Menage. Terrific song for Filipino cha cha. One of the best wedding reception floor-fillers of all time.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 1:43 PM
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I was surprised that so many respected actors (Judi Dench, Idris Elba, Ian McKellan) weren't prohibited from participation by their dignity or their agents. And they agreed to be in it even before they knew that their buttholes would be edited out!

I'm surprised all those stars were all hirable with a total budget under $100m. Taylor Swift reputedly got $3m. Possibly residual theater kid attraction?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 2:05 PM
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I thought they edited in the buttholes, not edited them out. They just didn't release the version with the buttholes because they hate life. But I could be wrong. I haven't seen the movie. Or the musical.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 2:09 PM
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I lost track of which thread the chili recipe was posted in but it left me with a dilemma: if we assume I'll like the recipe, and each batch needs one cup (!) of powder from grinding dried chilis, and in my current garden set up I can make pepper plants very happy, what variety/varieties should I plant and dry this year? Any chile afficionados out there? I need to know by Good Friday.


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 2:34 PM
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I think ancho and guajillo are generally the preferred varieties for that sort of thing. You'll need a lot of peppers to get one cup of powder so I hope they do grow as well as you say.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 2:40 PM
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I never heard of guajillo before that recipe but ancho are familiar enough that I bet my local nursery has some when planting time comes. We probably tossed out 200 jalapenos from one bush last year, in addition to those we ate, so growing isn't usually the problem.


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 6:41 PM
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Playing "Memories" is allegedly the only way to calm down DJT when he's in a state.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 7:05 PM
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Mark Meadows needs something that doesn't involve piss.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 7:33 PM
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Late to the party, but I very much enjoyed the post title.

Also, as a small child, I had Winnie the Pooh wallpaper and my first word was "Pooh." I may need to hide away with my storybooks if we're moving towards Dark Pooh.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 7:46 PM
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Dark Pooh

I'm leaving this here for you, Mobes.


Posted by: von wafer | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:26 PM
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I already made poop jokes enough for today. But Lent starts tomorrow and I'm giving up not making poop jokes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-21-23 8:54 PM
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43: I would strongly advise starting with half a cup of chilli and adding more in subsequent cooks if you find that's too mild for you.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 1:57 AM
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Truly can't tell if 46 is kidding or not.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 6:03 AM
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52: I have heard that tale, too, but am (thankfully) not in a position to verify.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 6:13 AM
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I also heard he needs diapers, but it would be irresponsible to pass along rumors I read on the internet.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 7:13 AM
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It's interesting how everyone, including me, thinks of the song as "Memories" when it's actually "Memory". (I also think of that word as plural when belted in the lyrics, also wrongly it seems.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 11:29 AM
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From NYT article "Stephanie Grisham's Book Details Trump's 'Terrifying' Temper"

At one point, she writes, Mr. Trump's handlers designated an unnamed White House official known as the "Music Man" to play him his favorite show tunes, including "Memory" from "Cats," to pull him from the brink of rage. (The aide, it is revealed later, is Ms. Grisham's ex-boyfriend. She does not identify him, but it is Max Miller, a former White House official now running for Congress with Mr. Trump's support.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/stephanie-grishams-book-trump.html


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 11:53 AM
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You're good at looking things up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 11:56 AM
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57: Thanks, Moby!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 12:26 PM
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That's such a weird Trump detail.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 12:28 PM
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But it's a great one because it confirms my otherwise unsupported dislike of Cats.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-23 12:43 PM
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Andrew Lloyd Weber

"The Protestant Ethic and the Amazing Technicolor Spirit of Capitalism"


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-24-23 5:45 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-24-23 6:10 AM
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