Re: Barbie

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heebie! You forgot to vet this with me. I'm going to see Barbie on Monday. We can discuss Oppenheimer now if you want.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 7:44 AM
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https://twitter.com/popelizbet/status/1684422380565811200?s=46

This was an interesting analysis.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 7:50 AM
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1: I almost thought that I should ask if people are ready yet, or if they want another weekend to see it first. :(


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 7:53 AM
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My take is it's a "mom movie" in the sense of a "dad movie." It's good but kinda cheesy and not challenging, and makes you feel good about yourself if you're an older millennial mom. Visually wonderful though and excellent acting. Certainly have it dead last among Greta Gerwig's three films, but had a great time.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 7:59 AM
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2 is interesting!


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:03 AM
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4: it was very challenging for my conservative SIL who inadvertently took her sons, who naively thought it was great. She was locked in a stoic grimace when the lights came on, and I suspect there was some reprogramming in their car on the way home.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:05 AM
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I think it's a bit of a trojan horse in terms of reaching audiences who have potentially never thought critically about the patriarchy.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:07 AM
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As long as the focus is on how the patriarchy hurts men too.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:17 AM
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7: I was curious about this because I have no memory of the patriarchy from when I was young. It turns out the patriarchy just started to take off in 1972.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=patriarchy%2C+matriarchy&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:39 AM
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Nixon has so much to answer for.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:41 AM
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"Tin Soldiers and Nixon Coming" would be a great title for Chuck Tingle.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 8:46 AM
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I liked the movie and agree with the analysis here, but is it really a kid's movie? I assume my eight-year-old wouldn't get most of the jokes. The dividing line might be puberty.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 10:30 AM
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Maybe a teenage movie? I can't quite call it an adult movie, and I don't think you're supposed to hesitate before you see it with your kid. I think my 8 year old enjoyed it, but yes, missed a lot of the jokes.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 11:55 AM
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I tried to see Oppenheimer last night but when I got to the theater, which is literally in the same building we're staying in, it was sold out, even though when I left the apartment the theater site said I could buy a ticket. I might go see it in Berlin which would be interesting, although do they dub English movies in Germany? Where I am now they just show films in the original English.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 12:41 PM
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13: Maybe it's a YA movie? That could be a new category.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-28-23 12:45 PM
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https://thechinaproject.com/2023/07/25/in-china-barbie-triggers-heated-discussions-on-patriarchy-and-feminism/


Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 12:03 AM
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That's heartwarming!


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 8:41 AM
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4 and 11 are both wonderful and hilarious, though not in the same way.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 10:23 AM
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14 They do dub and they also show movies in their original language (OV) and in their original language with subtitles (OmU).

There should be lots of showings of Oppenheimer in OV. Cubix at Alexanderplatz and Cinemaxx at Potsdamer Platz are both likely cinemas, though I have not checked the listings for either. Maybe also the Imax at Sony Center, which I think is still going even though everything else right there is under renovation.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 10:29 AM
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Er, 6 is the hilarious comment. Must have had my head still halfway in Barbieworld.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 10:30 AM
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Managed to catch it our last night in Norway, and Norway turned out to play a minor part which was (spoilers!) more positive than the role Germany played.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 11:45 AM
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But we'll probably go see Barbie there so the OV tip is useful.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-29-23 11:46 AM
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1: I saw Barbie! It's a hoot! It sold out on a Monday night in its second week in my neighborhood movie theater. The crowd was groups of teen girls, groups of women, some moms and daughters, some gay and some heterosexual couples, and me. I may also have been in the minority in that I was seeing it for the first time.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 1-23 4:09 AM
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