Re: More white people being terrible

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Good luck seceding from this.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 8:33 AM
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About 40% of the St Louis police chief's salary comes from a consortium of rich business owners rather than the city. Extensive networks of private streets in a few neighborhoods are pretty common there, with the gated communities there.wrangling as much financial autonomy as they can.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 8:47 AM
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2: right! that's where the video of the gun-wielding white people came from after Ferguson, right? One of those enclaves


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 8:54 AM
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Louisiana sounds problematic.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 10:32 AM
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Falls Church, Virginia kind of did this, in 1948 - they formed a city, effectively seceding from the surrounding Fairfax County government and school district (in Virginia "independent cities" are at the same level as counties, not underneath them). It was absolutely for racist reasons.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 11:11 AM
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There's a suburban area within the city limits here that has a secession movement. It's very dumb because that area absolutely cannot support itself on its own tax revenue, which it would have to do for the state to approve the secession.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 11:45 AM
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I heard you guys got a new mayor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 11:47 AM
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Not official yet but looks promising.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 11:50 AM
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Don't count your mayor before they hatch.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 11:57 AM
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One in your hand is worth two in your bush.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 12:22 PM
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10: Anchorage isn't the bush, though.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 1:47 PM
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Incorporation folklore from the little burg of Albany, California: "In 1908, a group of local women protested the dumping of Berkeley garbage in their community. Armed with two shotguns and a twenty-two-caliber rifle, they confronted the drivers of the wagons near what is now the corner of San Pablo Avenue and Buchanan Street. The women told the drivers of the horse-drawn garbage wagons to go home, which they did quickly and without complaint. Shortly thereafter, the residents of the town voted to incorporate."

The next chapter was of course racist housing policy.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 5:39 PM
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That's not very much guns for doing a racism these days.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 7:05 PM
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As rugged frontierswomen, they knew to make every shot tell.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-15-24 7:59 PM
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I clearly remember when I was driving around Baton Rouge some years back -- I had come back to take care of a few things from my mom's estate -- and thinking how easy it would be to make the city just a lovely place. And then I thought, no, it's the way it is because that's how the people with the money and the power want it to be.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 12:34 AM
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The idea of little bits of cities seceding voluntarily and unilaterally seems very mediaeval from this point of view - in fact IIRC it happened a lot back in the LME. due like everything else to the RISE OF THE MIDDLE CLASSES, but it was more likely to be cities seceding from their feudal counties and setting up as free cities run by burghers. It's never been even a vague suggestion in modern UK politics to my knowledge - thinking about it, that's maybe because so much local government funding comes from central government anyway, and is largely need-based rather than capitation-based. If Kensington & Chelsea decides to split off from London, there won't be much of a change in the financial situation.
Also we don't have nearly as much segregation by class or race in London. You're never more than half a mile away from the povvos, so very difficult to draw a secession boundary that doesn't include them. Look at this map https://trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-across-london/ The big round beige blob just south of the word Camden is the Regent's Park and just north of that blob is Primrose Hill, where the houses start at about £3 million. Now go a bit south-west and you're into dark blue 40% poverty rates in Lisson Grove. Even a US gerrymanderer is going to have issues with that.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 1:44 AM
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I know there have been rumblings of Staten Island seceding from NYC on and off for a long time. Apparently sometime in the 90s 60+% voted to do so in a non -binding referendum.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 6:13 AM
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17 I'd be fine with that. In fact give it to New Jersey.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 6:17 AM
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Apparently secession is a whole subfield of political philosophy. One of my postgrad cohorts with grit and discipline was going to write on it.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 6:24 AM
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Huh. They're at Pitt now. No sign of secession studies though.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 6:25 AM
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There's lots of philosophy people at Pitt.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 6:46 AM
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Tell me aboutt itt.


Posted by: Opinionated Dante Alighieri | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 8:07 AM
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ROLL UP THAT CHAP. HE WILL NOT BE WANTED THESE TEN YEARS.


Posted by: Opinionated Pitt | Link to this comment | 05-16-24 8:37 AM
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