Re: Teenagers

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The Mirror just makes stuff up, right? This is still the best antisocial fashion since Ned culture.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:00 AM
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Moe and Spock didn't even have a similar haircut. Just similar hair.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:11 AM
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What's Ned culture??


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:19 AM
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It's a bunch of criminals in Scotland in the 1960s.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:22 AM
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Which I learned about here.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:23 AM
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This is where I get all my culture, except for the occasional times when I go experience culture directly because I don't remember to say no.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:42 AM
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Ned is just a Scottish term for the same kind of working class annoying teenagers that often get called "chavs" in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_(Scottish)

The equivalent haircut that you see everywhere in London is the broccoli top* or variants thereof. It's not wildly different from the Edgar.

The "afro" version--although you see plenty of white kids with the same haircut--is the sort of haircut you'd have seen on Delli Ali (footballer) a few years back:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/NINTCHDBPICT000431914328.jpg?w=620

or, Harvey Elliot (also a footballer) for the other common variant:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/NINTCHDBPICT000431914328.jpg?w=620


* that sounds like I am making it up, but I'm not. https://www.wikihow.com/Broccoli-Haircut


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:35 AM
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Second image was supposed to be:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1475/0992/files/Harvey_Elliot_short_haircut_600x600.jpg?v=1649936044


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:36 AM
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Yeah, broccoli top sounds about the same. And white kids are definitely getting perms around here - my friend's kid got one.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:37 AM
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Although the Edgar is more deliberately mushroom-y than those photos of the broccoli top.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:38 AM
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I'm back.


Posted by: Opinionated Mike Brady | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:40 AM
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re: 10

It's often really mushroomy here, too.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:47 AM
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Also associated with crime: zoot suits with a belt in the back.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 8:27 AM
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It's not a fully antisocial haircut until The Monks come back.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 8:33 AM
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14 Fantastic band and way ahead of their time


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 8:47 AM
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15 was me


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 8:47 AM
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I'm surprised to learn that this haircut is associated with criminality, because 90% of Korean men under the age of 40 (except those currently serving in the military) have sported this look since 2016 or 2017 or so. Some examples from kdramas:

Because This Is My First Life, from 2017

Welcome to Waikiki, from 2018

A particularly hideous example, from Itaewon Class, 2020 (terrible show, don't watch it)


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:02 AM
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Those don't look like bowl cuts to me?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:11 AM
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Maybe it is the same cut, but it's hard to see without the poofiness in the back. But maybe that's a texture thing also, where coarser hair poofs even though it's the same haircut.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:12 AM
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It's possible I'm so alienated from youth culture that everything looks the same to me.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:13 AM
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what's the first election you voted in?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:56 AM
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Staying on topic: the new Billie Eilish doesn't have as much personality overall as her earlier stuff, but "Lunch" sure is a great song.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 11:17 AM
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Lunch is so hilarious and great. I love it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 11:22 AM
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By "hilarious" I mean "hilariously raunchy". But they play it unedited on the radio! Flies under the radar, I guess.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 11:23 AM
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I looked it up and I think there are subtle indicators of lesbian themes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 12:39 PM
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My taste and Elke's don't overlap a whole lot, but I can report that Dove Cameron -- known to consumerist families for her star turn as Mal in "Disney Descendants" -- recorded her own version/response/whatever to "A Girl Like You" by Edwyn Collins. Elke loves it to pieces, but I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, impeccable taste -- it's my single favorite radio hit of the 1990s with no close second. On the other, you can't improve the song, so I feel like I can only give her partial credit for sampling so much of it yet leaving out the best line ("too many protest singers, not enough protest songs"). Still, I have a soft spot for Ms. Cameron because her Disney performance had far more charisma than the role requires, kinda like Patrick McGoohan burning a hole through the magic-cat movie from the 1960s.

"Fast Times" is my favorite Sabrina Carpenter track, lovely song.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 12:57 PM
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The obvious example of a Disney child actor who went on to greater things is Kurt Russell.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 1:13 PM
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Still, I have a soft spot for Ms. Cameron because her Disney performance had far more charisma than the role requires,

This is true.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 1:34 PM
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27: How many kids did that guy have anyway?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 2:20 PM
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"too many protest singers, not enough protest songs"

The mere mention of this line and I can almost taste the Strawberry Passion Awareness Fruitopia in the back of my mouth.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 2:33 PM
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I'll take one, thanks! There's probably an entire playlist that would revive the flavor of Sobe Green Tea for me... actually no, just being hot enough to sweat in June is bringing it right back.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 3:38 PM
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27: What am I, chopped liver?


Posted by: Opinionated Annette Funicello | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 3:47 PM
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The incredibly demographic-specific (and good, and upsetting) I Saw The TV Glow has a scene with a Fruitopia vending machine prominently in frame.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 6:55 PM
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I had a Snapple or two, but never a Fruitopia.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 7:15 PM
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Do I need to understand what a Fruitopia vending machine is to appreciate the movie?


Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 8:58 PM
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Sir Thomas Moore mentioned it briefly.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:00 PM
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I liked the one where he got executed.


Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:07 PM
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But I read that when I was a teenager, so probably it sucks.


Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:10 PM
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37: I don't think he wrote that one. At least not the end.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-21-24 9:32 PM
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The soundtrack for I Saw The TV Glow is pretty good. Not as good as the initial hype made it sound, but still strong, and it does succeed at the goal of making a cohesive soundtrack record featuring artists working within a broadly related scene in the manner of the 90s movie soundtracks that inspired it (with a few wildcards included, as is also traditional.) yeule's cover of Broken Social Scene's "Anthems For A Seventeen-Year-Old Girl" is the best thing I've heard from them, Frances Quinlan has a good track (and their first release in a few years), and Sadurn's "How Can I Get Out?" is tremendous. Sadurn's first full record, Radiator, was one of my favorites from a couple of years ago, so it's great to see them building on that strength.


Posted by: JL | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 5:55 AM
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Since "Utopia" means so place, the Coca-Cola corporation found justification for making a drink that had no fruit and calling it "fruitopia."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 6:31 AM
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It's all been downhill since they started making Coke without coke.


Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 6:40 AM
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I remember coming home from college, and we still had a reserve of old Coke and thinking that would probably be the last old formula Coke I would ever get to drink.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 7:13 AM
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I loved I Saw the TV Glow,but maybe I would have understood it better if I knew more about utopian fruit beverages.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 7:15 AM
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I must have an outsize sense of Fruitopia specificity, but apart from the nineties deep cuts my friend and I agreed it was the best trans allegory we'd ever seen (and so foregrounded I'm not even sure allegory is even the right word). So we've been cautious about recommending it to people only because we weren't sure how it would sit if that wasn't your starting point. But probably we should give other people's Fruitopia receptors more credit.

Fred Durst as the dad sure was an inspired bit of casting.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 11:34 AM
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And yeah, good soundtrack too!


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06-22-24 11:40 AM
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14,15: The podcast No Dogs in Space* did 3 episodes on The Monks. It's their usual mix of endearing and annoying goofiness mixed in with some good info (but also some egregious misunderstandings of the actual social milieu back in the day).

*Podcast title based on a great mondegreen--actual lyric is "love comes in spurts" from Richard Hell and the Voidoids.
Have a listen; it's right near the beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRB-TrbGwlo


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 10:50 AM
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Completely off topic, but I saw an actual Cybertruck in the wild in Raleigh today and no matter how many pictures you've seen, they look so much uglier and ridiculous in person. Surprisingly so.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 2:41 PM
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Elon doesn't look that great either. Rich people invented the perfect clothing to make a puffy, fifty something ass-hat look put together with almost no effort (a suit) and technology billionaires decided they'd rather pretend to be thirty.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 2:51 PM
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48 There's one near me. Personalized plate: CYBER. I don't know the guy (it's surely a guy) but if he had a 'Christ, What an Asshole!' bumper sticker it'd be redundant.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 3:21 PM
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48. I've seen a few of them in the past weeks, and yeah, they're amazingly bad. They look like someone bought a bunch of commercial kitchen countertops and welded them together.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 3:25 PM
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I don't know the guy (it's surely a guy)

Amazingly, not an even 100%.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 5:38 PM
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They are so goofy. If I didn't loathe Musk, there'd be something endearingly The 60s Imagines The Future about them, like the armatron we had growing up. But since I do loathe him, they look like a trash compactor.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 5:44 PM
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52 Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 5:55 PM
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Things an OB shouldn't say for $800, Alex.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 6:42 PM
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OT: If you show a Whistling Bird in the first act, you have to fire it at a bunch of laid off Storm Troopers in the third act.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-23-24 7:51 PM
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IT IS KNOWN.


Posted by: Opinionated Dothraki | Link to this comment | 06-24-24 1:30 AM
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bleg: the ex of a very close friend has been diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia, he's about 50 yrs old, & just started 30 days of chemo at ucsf. he reports the drs have said they anticipate around a 90% probability of achieving remission. they have a young kid, all happening v fast, a review of dr go*gle indicates that as of a few yrs ago outcomes for adults were far shy of those for children - anyone here have more up to date & optimistic info?

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Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06-25-24 10:06 AM
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Recent treatments look better than old ones, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10790045/ . Knowing his cytogenetic status will help in reading and thinking about this, apparently a frequent cause for these cancers is a particular translocation, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33709456/ . Good luck to your friend and his family, this is tough.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-25-24 10:29 AM
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I have no information, but best wishes for your friend.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-24 10:31 AM
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Good thoughts to all involved. No info, but I feel like if he's at UCSF he is likely getting the cutting edge of care.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-25-24 10:39 AM
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thank you lw, & mobes & mini! i find it kind of incomprehensible that drs would be so positive on a shaky basis. seems like this is an area of v fast innovation, thankfully.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06-25-24 11:29 AM
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Experienced doctors often think they know more than has made it into the literature. They're right at least some of the time.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-24 11:40 AM
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OT:
I wonder when the last time was that a pilot made ace in a piston-engined prop aircraft? 1948 maybe?

https://theaviationist.com/2024/06/26/ukrainian-yak-52-kill-marks/


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-26-24 2:57 AM
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