Re: Election mumbo-jumbo

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The violence is in Ohio.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 7:34 AM
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https://www.ft.com/content/a0683d62-ee3a-4756-8137-a1953a88eb71

In filings to the Federal Election Commission last week, the Harris campaign reported raising nearly $190mn in August alone -- more than four times the $44.5mn raised by the Trump campaign over the period. When including money from affiliated super Pacs, which can raise unlimited sums to support a candidate, Harris raised $361mn last month, compared to $130mn for Trump.
And Harris isn't spending half her money on defense lawyers.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 7:35 AM
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NMM to Mutombo.


Posted by: honigessig | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 7:44 AM
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2: There's lots of Harris ads on the TV and they are paid for by Harris's campaign. There's lots of attack ads targeting Harris on the TV and they are paid for by rich fucks not directly connected to the campaign.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 7:51 AM
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I think the 1/6 prosecutions have had a genuine deterrent effect on would-be insurrectionists.

And sure, Trump probably senses that he is legitimately in trouble, but he's always been lazy, and he's always been a huckster of Home Shopping Network-level merchandise.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 7:56 AM
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Rich people are spending so much money to make the world a worse place even if you don't count Musk's purchase of Twitter as a direct political expense. But you should.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 7:57 AM
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I doubt the money actually matters much, but I hope the non-PAC donations indicate an enthusiasm gap favoring Harris.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 8:40 AM
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2, 6: A saving grace is that money spent by the campaigns goes farther than money spent by third-party billionaires.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 8:41 AM
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Increasing marginal utility.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 8:49 AM
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It's literally impossible to exist in Pennsylvania without hearing attacks on Harris. The attacks are trying to trigger racism and sexism. The white guy only won by 80,000 votes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 8:56 AM
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The violent people are phoning it in this time. Literally- any time Trump names a new target they get bomb threats, but no actual violence. Call it the Libs of Tik Tok effect. Which is not to downplay how disruptive that is, but the mfers are so lazy and/or scared of ending up in jail after seeing the FAFO of Jan 6.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 9:00 AM
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Literally- any time Trump names a new target they get bomb threats, but no actual violence.

This time someone did come to the place and leave a backpack full of garbage intending it to be treated as a potential bomb. That's a little more commitment than phoning threats in - if not hugely.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 9:20 AM
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To the OP I can't believe that David Frum actually wrote a column I want to read


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 9:38 AM
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If he loses, the trials will finally, finally happen, right?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 9:42 AM
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14: Yes, but they could still fizzle out depending how much the Supremes follow up on their immunity grant.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 9:47 AM
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the Supremes

I'm standing at the crossroads of law
I'm standing at the crossroads of law
Don't know which way to go
Don't know which way to rule


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-30-24 9:41 PM
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13: we're living in strange times. Would you ever have believed you be on the same side as Dick Cheney in a presidential election?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 5:38 AM
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Things notworking in her favor:
Misogyny
Utterly broken information space
The common clay of the new West (and elsewhere)
The Middle East
I think both a chance it breaks cleanly for Harris, or stays a close muddle with various risk points. I suspect the latter


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 5:49 AM
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6:Rich people are spending so much money to make the world a worse place even if you don't count Musk's purchase of Twitter as a direct political expense. But you should.

It's too bad we don't have a robust set of ethical, religious, literary, and folkloric tropes and stories going back several thousand years highlighting issues with the extremely rich.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 5:53 AM
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The 2nd reading this past Sunday (James 5: 1-5) was remarkably on point. But I don't know if Protestants do the same readings and I don't think most Republicans go to church.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 6:02 AM
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Moby goes to church?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 6:06 AM
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I thought we all did.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 6:09 AM
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I understand Musk's latest research is on building a needle with a camel-sized eye.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 6:12 AM
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My sample of one suggests democratic insiders think she's fucked and that she's fucking everything up. But insiders 1) are paid to worry, 2) pay no cost for being wrong in a negative direction, and 3) hate the rise of newcomers who force them to jockey for position in an new influence network.


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 6:32 AM
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I don't know any insiders, but I do know they don't seem to like Biden and Biden was a far better candidate and president than I would have imagined in 2019.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 6:46 AM
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25: Yup. When I was canvassing on Saturday, I talked to a regional Democratic lead who said that the most loyal voters, older black women love Joe Biden. They don't feel like they know Harris, but they voted for Biden at higher rates than for Obama. They would vote for him in his grave. I think they might know something or have some wisdom about what works.

I'm a little nervous that she seems to talk positively about crypto which seems to be a giant scam.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 7:29 AM
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Strike! They say noticeable consumer shoratages after about a week.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 7:41 AM
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27: Glad I already bought my refrigerator.

Is this good timing or should they have waited until after the election?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 7:47 AM
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I'm asking you!
The contract expired September 30. IDK if they could have fudged some kind of interim agreement.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 7:51 AM
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We should all run out and buy toilet paper again.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 9:12 AM
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WTH is going on with Iran bombing Israel?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:01 AM
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WTH is going on with Israel invading Lebanon?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:03 AM
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WTH is going on with this pa


Posted by: Opinionated Hezbollah | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:04 AM
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32: Yes. Agree. Just terrified that we are going to have a World War 3 with two theaters.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:23 AM
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I think there are provisions that would allow the executive branch (probably would have to be Biden himself?) to halt the strike for some amount of time. Or maybe they've gone past those already?

According to the network broadcast news that my parents watch and I saw on Sunday, the dockworkers simply want more money and the cost of that will be to society at large. In a 2-3 minute segment, there was nothing about working conditions, previous negotiations, etc., basically just IT WILL COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY, AMERICAN CONSUMER. There was a quote from a union rep but it was a clip of someone saying recalcitrant things in a speech, not a response to a question about the reasons for the strike. There was a quote from a business rep that was a response to a question, basically someone saying "strike bad." And a quote from Biden saying he wasn't going to step in since it's a collective bargaining process, implying that he could do something but wanted the process to play out without executive intervention.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:37 AM
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I don't know any insiders, but I do know they don't seem to like Biden and Biden was a far better candidate and president than I would have imagined in 2019.

I don't have any broad point to make here, but Biden was in the Senate for 36 years, ending only when he became VP. He was the most insidery president since GHWB.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:47 AM
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Which would reasonably have suggested he would make a bad candidate. cf Clinton, HR.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:50 AM
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36 years is barely enough time to learn the Senate. Anyway "insiders" is probably not the word I'm looking for. It just seemed like he got attacked for lots of bullshit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 10:54 AM
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37: Yeah, the only people who wanted Hillary to be president were the voters.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 11:04 AM
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IIRC, the Clinton campaign made some mistakes in the 2008 primaries with respect to understanding how delegates were distributed. Something along the lines of Obama gaining a lot in some states by winning big while Clinton's campaign won states that might have had more delegates, but the margins of the her closer wins weren't enough to counter the big Obama wins. I could be totally wrong about that. But it did cross my mind when it turned out she lost some crucial electoral college votes in states where the campaign may not have done enough campaigning.

A popularly-elected president? That would be crazy.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 11:10 AM
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40: Was this it? The headline's "rudimentary" might be overstating it a bit (mixing up key thresholds for winning certain numbers of delegates based on how many delegates are in each district, if I read correctly), but it does seem like mistakes a National Field Director is being paid never to make.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 11:18 AM
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21, 22: Sometimes I go here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 11:34 AM
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Is it better than Popeyes?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 11:52 AM
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40: Without clicking on 41, my memory is that she forgot to go after red states, and Obama swept big in places like Texas. Then he stacked up enough electoral votes after Super Tuesday to secure the nomination, and nevertheless, she persisted.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:04 PM
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Now let's see if I'm right!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:04 PM
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I've never had Church's, and googling about it led me to this article, https://www.eater.com/23158615/best-fast-food-fried-chicken-bracket, which, wow, is so unhinged. I mean, I even eat at Jollibee's once in a while, but I know better than to enjoy it. Are these people's mouths not connected to their brains?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:05 PM
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I guess mostly not. I did not recall any of that stuff.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:06 PM
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42/43: It claims to be Texas's Chicken, and we have it here, but people who care a lot seem to like Cane's or Chik-fil-A more. Fucking Chik-fil-A has a wild stranglehold on the young people.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:08 PM
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Cane's has just made inroads here, all the way up in the Boston metro. I haven't tried it yet.


Posted by: Nathan J. Williams | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:11 PM
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We have the other thread for bestiality.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:11 PM
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https://youtu.be/2sVVl2EKgUU?si=RHS_bjW0FwUAEHER


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:22 PM
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We have Cain's now. It's supposed to be the first one with no parking.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:26 PM
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I spelled it wrong. I've been to Cane's often because it has been in Nebraska for years.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:27 PM
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There was a Church's near where I grew up (in the Bay Area) and I preferred it to other local fast food fried chicken available at the time, which might have just been KFC. I don't see it in many places I go and the last time I tried to eat there - in the Bay Area, when I happened to be near one again - I gave up because it seemed like no one was getting served food. At one point someone who clearly just ordered from the drive thru walked around the building, through the front door, and up to the counter to complain. That's when I left.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:46 PM
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Galveston Bay?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 12:58 PM
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One of my students is terribly proud that he helps out in his parents' fried chicken place. On the one hand, child labor ftw. OTOH, he's terribly fat.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:10 PM
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I've heard good things about the dumplings from your island.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:17 PM
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Isn't mine.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:20 PM
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I don't care what the PRC says.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:27 PM
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Church's has good enough chicken, but very good biscuits. Now that we have Korean fried chicken places in town, nobody's really competing on the chicken itself.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:28 PM
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I haven't had Korean fried chicken. I'm not aware of a Korean restaurant here that specializes in it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:38 PM
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24 They want her to stop being a woman of color? Oh, wait, they wanted Johnny Unbeatable. The one who couldn't convince anyone in Democratic circles to rally to his side when Biden stepped aside?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:38 PM
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24, 62: That does seem like a rather, um, eccentric point of view. It's hard to figure out what she might have done better.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 1:50 PM
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41: Thanks! That looks like the analysis I'm remembering. Might not be exactly the same because the date on that post is August 2008 and my temporary stint in political journalism ran from November 2007 to April 2008. I'm pretty sure it was a topic of conversation in the news "room" (very small team, some remote) while I was still there.

The other analysis I remember was about how it would be a long time until Clinton was mathematically eliminated even though she had almost no chance because there were no more places to get high margin wins. It felt like she got better as a campaigner at that point, kind of unfortunate for her that it was already over.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10- 1-24 2:27 PM
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62 & 63: no, it was more about the block and tackling of modern campaigning. Not got a good strategy for winning news cycles and holding attention since the convention.


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 10- 2-24 12:35 AM
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65 That's not her, that's her people.

ISTM that she's done a phenomenal job of holding attention in the face of the media's constant gaze on Trump. I mean, she's not Johnny Unbeatable -- and really, going back to read that at LGM today was so worth it.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10- 2-24 7:33 PM
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There was an analysis in the Boston Globe of how much the deficit would increase under Harris or Trump. They tried to nalyze whether deportations would add costs or save money. Like it was just some other normal policy. God damn, Normalization of evil.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10- 7-24 4:15 AM
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God damn, Normalization of evil.

Lot of that going around.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10- 7-24 4:30 AM
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68 was me.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10- 7-24 4:30 AM
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They tried to analyze whether deportations would add costs or save money. Like it was just some other normal policy.

"Have you tried 'kill all the poor'?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10- 7-24 6:49 AM
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