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I left the doctor, proud because I'd trust fallen and let someone trained take a bit of responsibility for my health, which felt like allowing someone trained to take responsibility for my death, which -- in a pitiful powerful empire -- too often feels like love.

Is "trust fallen" a common AmE phrase and if so what does it mean? Something like "decided to trust someone"?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:43 AM
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Reads like a typo to me


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:45 AM
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Reads like a typo to me


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:45 AM
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Double posting is the typo of the blog


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:45 AM
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1: Does the phrase "trust fall" mean anything to you? He's turning that into a verb.

I wonder if there is a word for turning a noun into a verb.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:56 AM
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1: it's not, but a "trust fall" is intentionally falling backward trusting that someone else will catch you (usually in a therapy or team building context.). So, by extension: just trusted the doctor completely.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:56 AM
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5.2: Verbalizing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:58 AM
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Verbing weirds language.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 8:59 AM
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He verbs verb.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:01 AM
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I think the technical term is "denominalization."


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:01 AM
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That's when you mint coins from silver or gold.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:03 AM
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Going down the trust fall rabbit hole, I wound up here -- or for those of you who prefer the NYP to the NYT, here.



Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:10 AM
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I guess that was somehow too serious for the Post to make a good headline for.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:15 AM
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6: oh, of course. Thanks.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:22 AM
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12: well that was Australian.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:23 AM
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"Australian kills man who was too forward with his wife, gets away with it" might work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:32 AM
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"Trust fall" is a pretty well known concept in US English I think. I mostly know about it from comedies -- it's a cliche that when an organization is doing teambuilding they will start by doing the trust building exercises in which one person is supposed to fall backwards trusting that the other person will catch them. Of course in sit-coms someone will always winding up falling on their back.

Has anybody ever done this kind of teambuilding exercise in real life?

"Trust fallen" may be a Kiese Laymon neologism but for those familiar with the trust fall concept, it's not hard to figure out.

(I'm not sure why I'm pretending to be an expert on this topic - for all I know the trust fall may have first appeared in a Monty Python sketch)


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:32 AM
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I guess 12 is the horrible answer to my question in 17.2


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:34 AM
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Has anybody ever done this kind of teambuilding exercise in real life?

Yes, I remember it from summer camp/girl scout type situations.

It's now occurring to me how heavily team-building borrows from summer camp tropes. Ropes courses?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:45 AM
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Jimmy Stewart was great in that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:58 AM
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Has anybody ever done this kind of teambuilding exercise in real life?

I read Ask a Manager semi-regularly, discovered via Heebie I think. I don't remember and can't find any stories about trust falls specifically, but there are lots of horror stories about team-building exercises more generally.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 9:59 AM
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I think I did a trust fall as part of college freshman orientation/group-bonding exercises. The trust fall worked, but I do not think I ever interacted with someone from that group again, at least not knowingly. (In retrospect I wonder if the intent was to create groups that existed outside the "traditional" set of groups that students tended to fall into)


Posted by: Nathan J. Williams | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:01 AM
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I once went Snipe hunting, which is a Don't Trust exercise.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:07 AM
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21 aimhmhb the thing about team building is that nothing builds humans into a cohesive team faster and better than shared hardship, danger or suffering. Spend three weeks crossing the Atlantic on a cruise ship, you'll probably not see any of your fellow passengers as more than vague friends. Spend three weeks crossing the Atlantic on a corvette, you'll be buddies for life.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:07 AM
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I thought a corvette was a vegetable.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:16 AM
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That's the plot of James and the Giant Courgette,right?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:18 AM
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We watched Nobody Wants This all the way to the end. Some decent jokes. Some foolishness.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:21 AM
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I've never seen it. I took the title literally and watched Donald Sutherland's son solve murders.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:23 AM
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Next team-building exercise I have to organize I'm putting together a snipe hunt.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:26 AM
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25 it's a sports car, not amphibious.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:36 AM
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That depends on where it lays eggs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:38 AM
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I remember the trust fall thing as a youth camp kind of experience that gets made fun of in fictional stuff around adult teambuilding activities. I suspect very few workplaces do it because of liability, not just someone getting hurt but also the whole touching other people aspect. Also because it's silly, though maybe not sillier than lower contact teambuilding activities.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:38 AM
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There was a local outfit (improv comedy group/performance space) that advertised their corporate team-building offerings as "No more trust falls with George from accounting" or something along those lines.


Posted by: Nathan J. Williams | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:40 AM
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No, a corvette is a French word for a seductive or flirtatious woman. You're thinking of a croquette.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 10:58 AM
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That's a small frog.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 11:07 AM
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Chevrolet Croquette


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 11:11 AM
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No, a croquette is a dish made of some main ingredient chopped, bound together with a bechamel, formed into cylinders, breaded, and fried. You're thinking of craquelure.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 11:22 AM
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Fine, Chevrolet Craquelure then


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 11:47 AM
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We did a trust fall exercise at my confirmation retreat. One of my classmates broke her arm, and that was the end of retreat trust falls for my church. (I think they also banned smoking on retreats after our weekend, as we were a heavily nicotined group.)


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 12:33 PM
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in our search for mild tv we watched a couple of episodes itf nobody wants this. it's eh, not more. leads have good chemistry, some of the supporting actors are decent scenery chewers for their roles, it is waaaaay too long. would have been vastly improved if radically shortened & with a much better script.

ludwig, on the other hand, is wonderful. just immensely great


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 1:45 PM
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I was brought up to believe that a little corvette is much too fast and doesn't last.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 10-24-24 2:05 PM
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We did a trust fall exercise at my confirmation retreat. One of my classmates broke her arm

Sounds like a valuable learning moment for everyone.

In "The Diamond Age" there's a secret society that maintains loyalty through random trust-building events; so if you're a member you might get told "go to this room at 3.15pm, pick up the loaded gun on the table, unload it, replace the live rounds with these dummy rounds, and leave the room". Because another member has just been told "go to this room at 3 pm, load the gun on the table with the live rounds in the box, then leave; come back in at 3.30 pm, point the gun at your head and pull the trigger". The point is to show her that she can trust any of the other people in the society to save her life.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-25-24 12:41 AM
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42: is that the same group that has orgies in underwater tubes culminating in some DNA/information combination that leads the recipient to burst into flames? I vaguely recall something along those lines.


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 10-25-24 1:11 AM
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Different group, but allied.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-25-24 2:10 AM
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