Re: Guest Post: ice ice baby

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White Lady Who Could Be You!

I thought that wasn't allowed now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 6:55 AM
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My irritation is more with acquaintances on social media, and my parents' friends, than with news coverage. There so often seems to be an edge of "well I knew this was happening but I am shocked that is happening even to people like me.

Also funding cuts is another vector where I keep seeing it. And some trans rights (they're even harassing CIS WOMEN now!).


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 6:58 AM
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Oh whoops my italics and quotation marks both didn't get closed. Now we can be shocked about that too.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 7:00 AM
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All the metaphorical white ladies
(All the metaphorical white ladies)
All the metaphorical white ladies
(All the metaphorical white ladies)
Put your hands behind your backs!


Posted by: beyonstropher | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 7:13 AM
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I get why it's annoying, but I think the central issue is that there's no due process, which is the same in all cases. It would be nice if we had more empathetic people but in that timeline we also didn't elect Trump.


Posted by: Csla | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 7:21 AM
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Not the same, but it reminds me of Tom Hanks getting Covid. Which I think had more impact than "random celebrity gets Covid" because of his relatable everyman image.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 7:24 AM
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His t cells are like mine.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 7:35 AM
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I can't wait for the "We probably won't snatch you off the plane and send you to a concentration camp in El Salvador" World Cup.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 8:01 AM
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Also some t cells in El Salvador.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 8:05 AM
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Cosign 5. Hold your nose and welcome them into the tent.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 8:19 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

I'll just admit that this affected me more than all the other detentions I read about, and that's my bad. And I know, I know it's bad on my part. They're detaining hot white Canadian chicks! What chance do I have?


Posted by: Chetan Murthy | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 8:45 AM
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I guess the counterpoint is that when you put in safeguards to protect the pretty white lady, everyone else can then use those safeguards. (Viz the HIV/AIDS movement seizing on the "innocent" kid Ryan White as their poster child to pay for medication for most everyone.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 8:50 AM
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If that happened today, Twitter would be all "George Soros paid an actor to pretend to have HIV."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 8:58 AM
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Minivet @ 12: counter-counterpoint: a competent racist system knows how to put in safeguards to protect the pretty white lady (Justine Diamond), while making sure the large adult 12-year-old child (Tamir Rice) gets what's coming to him. What we have here, is a buncha -incompetent- racists.


Posted by: Chetan Murthy | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:19 AM
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Yeah, I think getting annoyed that potential allies aren't good enough allies has done more harm than good. Don't be mad at suburban white women putting up Black Lives Matter signs, be mad at suburban white women voting for Trump! Don't get all exercised about Chuck Schumer -- Elon Musk is right there asking for the negative attention (and giving it to him helps everyone!)

Obviously, this isn't an endorsement of people engaging in half measures. But we each get to decide how to spend our mental energy . . .


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:22 AM
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Aw, you guys! Are you trying to make me feel less irritated with other people in my life by distracting me with irritating commands about how I should feel? So cute!


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:32 AM
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14: Were safeguards put in around Justine Diamond? Fwict it's just that her killer got convicted while Philando Castile's didn't. I'm not really talking about the regular operation of the courts here.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:32 AM
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16 Me, Me! Be irritated at me!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:34 AM
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I could never


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:35 AM
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It is kind of surprising that they're taking the white supremacy and toxic masculinity to these extents. There were supposed to be winks and nods -- it's what the people voting for them counted on -- but the ptb are so lost in their ideology that they can't even imagine it. And so they're tanking tourism. Along with science, etc.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 9:36 AM
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I do think any added publicity to bad policies and practices is good.

I do not think framing them as "this policy is even worse because it's not just hurting marginalized people, it's also hurting people like me" is harmless.

(I haven't seen actual journalists frame anything this way, or even the people impacted, but I have seen lots of EXTREMELY irritating people at whom I am SO LIVID that it is DISTRACTING me from being able to accomplish ANYTHING and I am practically FOAMING at the MOUTH and ABSOLUTELY REFUSING to even let them in my TENT because I think they are WORSE THAN ELON MUSK do it.)


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 10:31 AM
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4 would have been a much funnier title


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 10:36 AM
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Minivet @ 17: Yes, I'm referring to the fact that Justine Diamond's killer got sent to the slammer, no muss no fuss, where the murderers of Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, and countless other innocent Black men got away scot-free. In our system, that's the most safeguards you get, and they're definitely about protecting the pretty white lady.

And haha, ICE can't even manage that.


Posted by: Chetan Murthy | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 10:36 AM
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I should have said "innocent Black people" (Sandra Bland).


Posted by: Chetan Murthy | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 10:37 AM
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22: You have to speed rap it like Tech N9ne to make it fit the beat, though.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 10:42 AM
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Random people in a bar are complaining about the deportation of people for not supporting Israel.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:18 PM
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You're visiting Germany?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:22 PM
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Greenfield.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:24 PM
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It's mostly older white people, often Italian, but with increasing numbers of Millennials who couldn't afford houses in hipper neighborhoods and the kinds of Jewish people who wear black suits all the time.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:34 PM
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Even the boys.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:47 PM
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Just seen: "I like my government like I like my coffee: not up my vagina."


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:52 PM
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I guess that the coffee enema people don't feel the same way.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 5:53 PM
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That would be a coffee douche, Moby


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 6:28 PM
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That's not a thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 6:28 PM
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That's the only thing.


Posted by: Opinionated Howard Schultz | Link to this comment | 04- 9-25 7:32 PM
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On one hand, it was also very bad when this was not impacting well-heeled friends of journalists

She's a comic artist who can only afford to travel by doing domestic chores in exchange for somewhere to sleep. "Well-heeled"?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 12:37 AM
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Also, is it really surprising that the story that gets attention in the Guardian of Manchester England (as I suppose one should call it) is a story about a woman from England?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 1:17 AM
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Also, is it really surprising that the story that gets attention in the Guardian of Manchester England (as I suppose one should call it) is a story about a woman from England?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 1:17 AM
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Also, is it really surprising that the story that gets attention in the Guardian of Manchester England (as I suppose one should call it)

Just never gonna let that one go are you, Ajay of Scotland? When the Wall Street Journal of New York starts covering illegal deportations I'll link those stories.


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 1:44 AM
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When the Wall Street Journal of New York starts covering illegal deportations I'll link those stories.

It's literally their top US news story today.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/trump-administrations-el-salvador-deportations-hit-by-new-legal-challenges-eceb936e?mod=us-news_lead_story


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 2:17 AM
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well, you beat me to it


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 3:04 AM
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I choose to connect this sort of thing to Niemöller: "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out ..."

It doesn't hurt to remind people the ways that the target list is evolving and growing.

(But of course, I take the original point.)


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 8:24 AM
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Maybe it's actually a reverse-Niemöller: If they can come for me, you're screwed.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 9:10 AM
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43 that's it exactly


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04-10-25 9:26 AM
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The US Supreme Court has directed the Trump administration to return a man it erroneously deported to a maximum-security prison in El Salvador...No justices opposed the decision.
Any tea leaves worth reading there?
Posted by: mc | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 12:28 AM
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Just never gonna let that one go are you, Ajay of Scotland?

I think I have mentioned it once before. And it's relevant here because this is a story about a WOMAN FROM ENGLAND and that might explain why it's being printed in a PAPER PUBLISHED IN ENGLAND rather than a story about a MAN FROM EL SALVADOR which is in fact NOT IN WILTSHIRE.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 12:33 AM
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Irrelevant to your original point, but calling it the Manchester Guardian is slightly less accurate than calling the baseball club the Philadelphia Athletics.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 1:17 AM
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45: Here is a quick summary from Ian Millhiser: "Trump defied a court order. The Supreme Court just handed him a partial loss. The "partial" aspect according to Millhiser (and others I have seen) is that the Supreme Court weakened the lower court's order somewhat in the admittedly tricky area of to what degree can you compel the government to do something it does not completely control (release from El Salvador jail--but then again my understanding is that we are paying El Salvador to house them). the three "liberal" justices suggested that they should have just left the lower court's 0rder in place.

Still, it is notable that none of the justices publicly dissented from Thursday's order. It seems, in other words, that all nine of the justices are willing to concede that, at the very least, the Trump administration must take some steps to correct its behavior when it does something that even its own lawyers cannot defend.

In general it does seem that the Supreme's are blocking the most egregious actions of Trump and admin that completely blow up any notion of due process, but have left the courts open to bad faith machinations of the system. (For instance the really weird opinion on the Venezuelans in El Salvador--see Sotomayor's dissent here.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 5:05 AM
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Thanks.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 7:03 AM
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calling it the Manchester Guardian is slightly less accurate than calling the baseball club the Philadelphia Athletics.

Yes, it's both terminologically wrong (the name of the paper is "The Guardian") and factually wrong (it isn't based in Manchester). Doesn't stop them doing it, though!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 7:22 AM
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When did it move?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 7:53 AM
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re: 51

1959, when it moved to London.

It has moved a couple of times within London since then, too, I think.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 7:57 AM
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That's still pretty recent.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 7:58 AM
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53: Yeah.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-11-25 9:58 AM
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I've got a trip to France planned in June. I'm grateful Chris got his US citizenship, but I want to be careful when I cross the border all the same. We don't have signal on our phones, though I want to. He doesn't see the point.

Neither of us use biometric screening - just old-fashioned passwords. Is there anything else we should do for our electronic devices for when we return to the US. He will bring his work cell phone, because the company will cover roaming. But I'll have mine with an eSIM card.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 3:32 AM
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Can you smuggle iPhones on a small scale? Buy one in France with no tariffs, at customs say you need two because one is only for work, and resell the new one for a mark-up in the United States?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 5:58 AM
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I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 6:00 AM
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55.2

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-when-encountering-law-enforcement-airports-and-other-ports-entry-us

https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/can-border-agents-search-your-electronic


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 6:23 AM
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58.2 is helpful, thanks.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 6:32 AM
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I just heard that the tariff on computers and phones were not going to be raised. But I don't now how that would work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 6:40 AM
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60: Brands that suck up to Trump enough will be exempt. Larger companies can navigate this better, of course.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 9:50 AM
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The simple soybean farmer will be hurt the most.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 9:57 AM
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It's always the kulaks who suffer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 10:01 AM
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62/63: You mean Like this?


Posted by: marcel proust | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 10:42 AM
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I talked to somebody today who said she got a letter saying her social security check will be held up. Seems bad.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 3:00 PM
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https://archive.ph/cdn2s


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 4:20 PM
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65: I heard from Warren thst there were people marked as not receiving Social Security checks in the computer.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 4:52 PM
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Uh https://bsky.app/profile/strictlychristo.bsky.social/post/3lmnh3qmq5c2h


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 6:49 PM
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66: thanks, I've been trying to follow the denaturalization initiative. It could go a few different ways at this point, but I think the threat is real. I have to wonder how long Hamas and Tren de Aragua are going to serve as bogeymen, though, even with maximal nonsense definitions of "support" and affiliation.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 7:23 PM
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Also, heebie, Kristi Noem as DirePalin is genius.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 7:25 PM
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71: Their relationship might be in dire straits.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 8:08 PM
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71 was supposed to be to 70.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04-12-25 8:09 PM
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Noem (and a reporter) at the Border Security Expo.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 04-13-25 9:30 AM
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