Apparently, guest columnists do not have editors.
Ogged, I have the same conflicted feelings about Carol Vorderman, who pops up nearly everywhere on British television. Apparently, she's a Mensa-certified genius, which is why she does TV ads for car insurance, hosts do-it-yourself shows and turns the letters on some half-assed game show. She is as self-satisfied as they come, and fatuous in the extreme, and I am completely in her thrall. So I share your shame, hermano.
Ashley Judd is a respectable crush. It would be different if you had an unshakeable fascination with Wynona Judd.
> I'm usually so good>/i>; I'm all about personality and character, looks are gravy, etc.
This has the ring of Slave Morality, ogged. Admit it, she's a fox. And guys dig foxy ladies. If I learned tomorrow that Zhang Ziyi was a Singerian consequentialist Yankee fan who listened exclusively to Phish, that wouldn't make her any less magnetic.
Have you seen her in Victor Nunez's Ruby in Paradise?
(a) It's a fabulous film, even better than Nunez's excellent follow-up, Ulee's Gold.
(b) It shows that Judd is, or can be, a really fine actress. She gives a great, understated performance.
(c) She is as stupendous to gaze at there as anyone anywhere. Fully crush-worthy (if not quite age-appropriate for anyone over 30).
I've actually never seen her in any other film, and I have no other conception of her than the one inspired by that film. But I can fully endorse having a crush on that notional woman (or on the notional woman she became ten years later).
I'm not sure that's the woman on whom you have a crush, however, so I'm not sure I can endorse your post.
Can somebody please write a story about "a Singerian consequentialist Yankee fan who listened exclusively to Phish".
Ogged,
I get what you're saying. And I've certainly lived those situations IRL, which is worse. But I think you're being too hard on yourself. Is it possible that the nature of your crush has changed? Before you crushed on her in sentimental ways, and now it's purely for the hot and sweaty?
I've got to start listening to more jam bands, if only to heat up the blog...
Try these guys. Even their name is incindiary.
No, no, you want to start with these guys.
Excellent. Joe has started to internalize me.
Also, I have this same thing with Jessica Alba. What a sense of entitlement on that girl. But Christ Almighty.
Excellent. Joe has started to internalize me.
I'm your whelp. You've turned me into a quaking bundle of neuroses, you whip-cracking bastard. You happy?
I'm happy that the first comment to address that comment wasn't by FL and didn't refer to the Mineshaft, yes.
I don't pick such low-hanging fruit during Holy Week.
Do you aspire to that sort of entitlement at all - even just a teensy bit? I know when I'm attracted to an arrogant asshole, part of me wishes that I could get away with being a complete jerk myself.
I'm not sure that's the woman on whom you have a crush
There is a version of Helen Bonham-Carter that did this to me, back in the day. But I'm sort of over it now.
Hey, this is interesting. The front page shows the last four comments as being in the order Joe-Austro-Austro-ac (most recent last), but we see here the order Austro-Joe-ac-Austro.
Do you aspire to that sort of entitlement at all - even just a teensy bit?
I think it's more about, boy, she soooooo doesn't seem to need anything or anyone. But what if she needed me?
I'm all kinds of fucked up.
Also, I have this same thing with Jessica Alba. What a sense of entitlement on that girl. But Christ Almighty.
I sat through Honey. Cured me of that.
Maybe the difference has to do with when you start the comment. I take a long time to compose mine.
and i thought it was my cache, or sommat.
ptm, I might spend money for Sin City. But that's cool, right? Comic book? Comic books are cool, right?
Please, someone, remove my feeding tube.
I made it through three paragraphs.
Re: original post -- could it be that it is not only her hotness, but the horribleness of her character itself that attracts in a primal way? I have experienced similar feelings with regard to Catherine Keener, or at least the characters she has played (also with Zhang Ziyi).
There is something in the act itself that is dominating -- no way to take that out. Through Ashley Judd, you would dominate something that is awful, and powerful, and in doing so proclaim your own power. You find her shallowness particularly loathsome. Shallowness is a force -- many people not only accept it, but aspire to a level of shallowness. You aren't shallow; you detest the urge towards it. By having Ashley Judd, you could asserted yourself over the force of shallowness that you have observed, and loathed.
You are ashamed of these feelings because they run counter to your world-view (and mine). You would rather men and women interact like rational beings. But you also want to teach Ashley Judd a lesson.
"you could asserted"
I point out my illiteracy so others do not have to expend the energy.
Interesting, textualist, and true in some cases, probably. In the particular instance though, I had a crush on Ashley Judd, then found out about her character, and haven't been cured of my crush, which makes me fear for my own character.
Oh, and that's also meant to address baa's comment at #4. Like I say, this isn't just a Naomi Campbell hot woman with objectionable personality thing. It's that I'm actively in danger of adopting the very view that makes her objectionable: the belief that she's all that. And if I start thinking that it's ok to make an exception for Ashley Judd, then my belief that people shouldn't be self-absorbed doesn't mean much. The rule of law is at stake here, people
Yes, as if your "character" (or mine) was not just a series of rationalizations, with minor adjustments made for coherence, of your underlying wants and needs.
It could be that you have found a new basis for your attraction. Or it could just be that she is very Hott.
Tim, that's disturbing. Anyway, it might be that my overriding need is to be principled, yadda yadda. I'm not getting off the hook that easily.
Ashley Judd is just trying to be funny in the article. she is failing, but it isn't easy to be funny in print. The story would probably be a more charming in person.
I feel for her. Who wouldn't hate going to indy car races all spring long.
I wouldn't, if seated next to the lovely, shallow UK-rooting Ms. Judd. I contend that any story told by a very attractive woman is more charming in person. But I think the words probably indicate shallowness.
Yeah, she was beautiful in Ruby in Paradise, and deep, or a good enough actor to pull off a convincing deep.
Has she made another good movie? Seems like she's been in a series of indistinguishable crapfests with Morgan Freeman released about annually and other than that . . . ?
She was in Heat and Natural Born Killers, neither of which I've seen but which I know some people liked.
She was in Heat
Her character provoked the most memorable line in this film, Pacino's self-parodying "Because she's got a great aaasssssss!!! And you got your head right up it!!!"
This really tells you how my mind works. I've seen Heat probably five times, and I can't remember her in it. Val Kilmer's wife?
You remember that line, though, right?
People. Why not just admit it? huh?
It is springtime. They're called hormones. Its hard to be philosophical with that head. All this denial, already.
I do remember the line, and would render the second part, "rightupit!"
Even better.
That line was the moment I abandoned hope for Pacino.
Why, just because I bought it on DVD?
Holy shit, it is springtime, as of two days ago. What the fuck, Chicago.
Just like Vienna: You know its springtime when the snow turns to rain. If you need the weather as an indicator, that is.
ogged,
I'm all about personality and character,
No you're not! At least be honest to yourself.
What guy wouldn't want the hot girl that only he can tame? The challenge, the prize, the Taming of the Shrew.
Remember Nellie on "Little House on the Prarie?" Is there anyone hotter?
Remember Nellie on "Little House on the Prarie?"
Uh, no. This reminds me of Kim's "young Dave Winfield" comment.
No you're not! At least be honest to yourself.
Well, personality, character, ethnicity and various other superficial markers, but not, usually, just looks.
The challenge, the prize, the Taming of the Shrew.
Been there, done that, never again.
ogged,
Been there, done that, never again.
Oh. Well, in real life entering into a realtionship hoping to change the other person is not really a good idea. I wish more brides understood that.
As someone else said - it's Spring. Your little head is just talking a little louder than your big head right now.
Nellie was the spoiled 'bad' girl that would do mean things to the 'good' Laura Ingalls on "The Little House on the Prarie." She was reasonably attractive, although not remarkable, but you just knew with the right guy she'd melt.
You link to that comment thread, but leave the comment spam up for all to see?
I always meant to see Ruby in Paradise. Ok, thanks folks, I'll check it out.
ogged,
Thanks. If I recall correctly, Alison Arngrim (the actor playing Nellie) did a little cheescake after Little House to try to break out on the child actor mold, but without the Nellie persona she lacked spark.
I'm loving this post because I often find myself attracted to inappropriate women in spite of - or because of - the reasons they're inappropriate, i.e. Brittany Murphy - unabashed skank. I find myself warming up to her skankiness, perhaps much like Ogged finds himself increasingly enchanted by Ashley's vapidity. Marcia Cross also comes to mind because I find her coldness, her Bette Davis eyebrows, and her Botoxed head all incredibly off-putting and yet...
Then again - it is Spring...
Marcia Cross, yes, I keep thinking there's a human being in there, and wouldn't it be neat to find her!
Should I watch this Desperate Housewives thing?
Oh, my YES. Something for everyone. First of all, to anyone who loved Sports Night, there's Felicity Huffman. Then there's the adorably daffy Teri Hatcher, the sexy and shallow Eva Longoria and the walking female id of Nicolette Sheridan.
I came late to the party on this one but it's been totally worth it. Besides, it's not like it's the Wire where you kind of have to figure out what's going on to enjoy it. It's Melrose Place meets Twin Peaks. Okay, it's Melrose Place meets Veronica Mars.
I agree on Hatcher, but Huffman (whom I loved in Sports Night has been treated less kindly by the years than anyone I can think of. Suddenly, William Macy as her husband doesn't seem like such a stretch.
SomeCallMe
What's this all about?
He's tweaking ogged. He's saying, you're getting no dates, and it's already day 24, but I—well, I'm no Errol Flynn, but I get some action. I'm getting calls. The ladies want me.
I haven't seen Sports Night, nor Desperate Housewives, but just from looking at pictures of Felicity Huffman, it seems to me that she's always looked about the same. Teri Hatcher looks best with clothes on, which makes ogling her really unsatisfying. But I'll try to watch this show, if only to see what you're all on about.
Hey Labs, Brittany Murphy, freaky...too freaky?
Wynona Judd would not be the same, but is she chunky....?
For a decade the same thing happened to me with Geena Davis. Then, either she changed, or I did. It was as if I didn't know her anymore....
Would like to get Wy Judd's e-mail adress to tell her that I think she would be a great candidate for the Gastric By-pass weight loss surgery. I had the surgery and am thin now and loving life more. I got fat because I loved to eat, no big emotional reasons (Oprah is not always right). So now I can eat anything only in small ammounts, it is a God Send to many desperate people. Wy there is a cure!!