Re: This Is Going To Hurt Me More Than It Hurts You

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Earnestness is not bad per se, ogged. I thought we went over this.

For what it's worth, I also like Jagged Little Pill, and I'll say it loud and I'll say it proud.


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:37 AM
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I liked "Head Over Feet", but none of the other singles really clicked with me. Except "Ironic", but then only ironically, coincidently enough.

Anyway, ogged, my John Denver albums and I still respect you.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:50 AM
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Do I like Jagged Little Pill Answer: yes!

Okay, I'll stop the baa-mocking. But seriously, I have even tried more or less sincerely to defend the proposition that she really did use "ironic" correctly.

I'm sure there's a more embarrassing pop-music admission I could make, if I could think of it.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:52 AM
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More embarrasing than John Denver listenage? I wasn't joking, you know.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:53 AM
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Do you actually listen to the John Denver you own?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:54 AM
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Oops. I misread your comment.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:54 AM
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What could possibly be wrong with John Denver?


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:55 AM
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6 to 3. Also,

Do you actually listen to the John Denver you own?

Occasionally. Mostly I just hum or sing the songs to myself.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:56 AM
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Shit dude, much as I love your comments, you're totally banned.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:57 AM
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Guilty pleasures are often fueled by their taboo and illicit nature. That's what happens in cheating in relationships and that's what happens with cheating against cultural/peer expectations. Such is loking Jagged Little Pill.

Everytime the I-Pod turns out Two Tickets to Paradise I wonder if anyone has noticed. I mean, if I like Eddie Money, I have no business criticizing anyone.

But the other side of this, is that in order for us to buy into this cultural game, we have to have a little bit of conceit to start with. Thus its against type for me to like the unthinking rock of the hoi polloi. There is a snobishness to this that I think is also revealing. And an arbitrariness.


Posted by: benton | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 10:58 AM
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What could possibly be wrong with John Denver?

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with him, but he's none the less regarded as eigenhokey.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:00 AM
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Ogged, you mewling wussie.

Embarrassing pop confessional: I find "Semi-Charmed Life" irresistibly catchy, even after hearing it three or four hundred thousand times.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:00 AM
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Shit dude, much as I love your comments, you're totally banned.

I'm leaving on a jet plane,

Don't know when I'll be back again.

Oh ogged, I hate to go.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:02 AM
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Errr... I like that Kelly Clarkson single. In fact, I think most of the music I like (e.g., GoGos) is sorta pop-earnest.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:08 AM
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SomeCallMeTwee.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:09 AM
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Well, to anyone who was dumped by a beauty queen "Sylvia's Mother" is actually very meaningful and, sniff, touching.

And I do more than listen to John Denver, I play it. Mostly, though because it is easy and I can't play anything more difficult on the guitar. John Denver and "America," which has some songs with just Em and Am chords.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:13 AM
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Jeez, I didn't even know "Semi-charmed Life" was supposed to be embarrassing. Okay, well in that vein, I also like Smashmouth, up to and including "All Star" and "I'm a Believer." Go ahead and ban me.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:13 AM
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"Thank God I'm a Country Boy" was the seventh inning stretch song for the baltimore orioles from 1975 to 1986.


Posted by: joe o | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:34 AM
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"All Star" is good.


Posted by: Matthew Yglesias | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:43 AM
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I'd like to disagree with (famous) Matt and say that perhaps "All Star" WAS good. It seems to me that Smashmouth somehow gets even more egregiously overplayed than all of the other embarassing crap we're admitting to in this thread.

"Copacabana" anyone? Or the entire Britney Spears ouvre?


(Also, I don't know if everyone else is getting the same banner ads as I am when I click on the link to Ogged's embarassing lyrics, but: wowza! I didn't think I could be so turned on by a compatibility test endorsed by Psychology Today.)


Posted by: Matt | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:49 AM
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I like both the "chicken dance" and the "macarena".


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:49 AM
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But do you like "Chicken Man"?

Chicken Man!

Chicken Man, take my hand.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:55 AM
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I can't seem to find the lyrics online, but there was a really funny John Denver parody: "I'm Heaving on a Jet Plane."


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:57 AM
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You all know the greatestin very poor taste John Denver joke, right?


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 11:58 AM
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It's not the Monty Python parody?


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:00 PM
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But do you like "Chicken Man"?

You mean this one?

"Copacabana" anyone?

I can sing pretty much the entire Manilow oeuvre word-for-word, thanks to having grown up in the same house with my mother. Also, for nearly all of my teen years, I was awakened each morning to the sounds of her Richard Simmons workout album.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:01 PM
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I know it was British, but I don't think it was Monty Python. I haven't heard it in years.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:01 PM
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25 was to 24. "Heaving" not M. Python, to my knowledge. They did a very short cut on _Contractual Obligation_ that began, "and now, the sound of John Denver being strangled:"


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:06 PM
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Surely something to do with "Leaving on a Jet Plane"? "Leaving on an Ultralight Plane"?


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:08 PM
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There was a radio station in Baltimore that was changing formats so it played a loop of four songs in rotation for about a week. "Copacabana", a Shaq rap song, a Garth Brooks song and another song that I forgot. It was pretty awesome to listen too.


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:09 PM
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Denver Nuggets over Golden State


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:09 PM
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apostropher,

26 - ohmigod. Same experience earlier era. I'd go to sleep listening to my Mom playing and singing bad country music:

"She keeps me warm in the winter,

shady in the summertime,

That's what I like about

that fat gal of mine."

You know I love you Mom but - shudder.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:16 PM
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In so far as goodness is an attribute of the song as opposed to your experience of it, it doesn't make any sense to say that a song was good and no longer is. One may of course be tired of hearing a good song, but that's quite different.

Also, 31 is not work safe if you work somewhere where laughing out loud for no explicable reason is considered problematic. Fortunately, I do not.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:18 PM
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hrm, I find I have no musical tastes which I would be embarassed to reveal.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:30 PM
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Each thing I like becomes, simply through my liking of it, cool, unless it was already cool, in which case it becomes cooler.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:30 PM
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I like the Yes song "Roundabout".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:31 PM
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you inhabit a very small world, don't you, ben?


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:31 PM
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I move in straitened circles, it's true.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:32 PM
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that sounds vertigoacious.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:33 PM
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I'm ashamed to admit I like this song (lyrics).

Life as it seemed to the circling man

As he gazed into discarded land

Was a ride on a carousel of faith

Then he flew away


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:55 PM
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Everytime the I-Pod turns out Two Tickets to Paradise I wonder if anyone has noticed.

No one ever notices when the iPod plays Gershwin, but they always ask when it's ABBA or Metallica.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 12:58 PM
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Try this link instead—Amazon doesn't seem to like deep linking to clips.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:02 PM
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No one ever notices when the iPod plays Gershwin, but they always ask when it's ABBA or Metallica.

I hereby transfer my blogcrush allegiance from Lizardbreath to Cala.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:19 PM
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I think Justin Timberlake's "Rock Your Body" is a good song, if you like old-school Michael Jackson-style pop.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:23 PM
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What's wrong with (Cliff Burton–era) Metallica?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:23 PM
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I was really disappointed that Timberlake's "Cry Me a River" wasn't a version of the standard.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:24 PM
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Nothing. It's perfect.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:24 PM
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Me too me too Ben.


Posted by: Joe Drymala | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:24 PM
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47 to 45.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:24 PM
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"Call of Ktulu" pretty much just rocks.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:25 PM
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My favorite thing about Justin Timberlake is that he and Britney, post-breakup, actually got into a dance-off at a club.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:26 PM
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I listen to gay disco to fall asleep. I have more Kylie Minogue than I'd care to admit—I need "Na Na Na (I Just Can't Get You Out of My Head)."


Posted by: Kriston | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:26 PM
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One of the saddest things I ever hear was Metallica doing "Whiplash" live at Lollapalooza. They did it at half speed.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:27 PM
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I this a Timberlake fan thread, now? I won't say anything about his music, but he was funny when he hosted SNL.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:33 PM
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this is about 2 hours too late, but the Orioles ressurrected "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" for the seventh-inning stretch sometime in the late 90s, and, to my knowledge (last I went to a game at the Yard was about two years ago), it's still played.

And Joe O, what was the station in Bahlmer changing formats? The choice of songs doesn't really lend itself to identification...


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:39 PM
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I hereby transfer my blogcrush allegiance …

Your inner monologue is leaking into comments. Is your tinfoil adjusted properly?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:41 PM
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I stopped being able to listen to Metallica about the same time the band stopped sporting acne. Sorta like Clapton after he kicked heroin.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:42 PM
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I was at Camden Yards (for the first time) two weekends ago. They still play "Thank God I'm a Country Boy." It would make more sense to me if they were the Maryland Orioles rather than the Baltimore Orioles, but hey, that's me. Also, what an excellent stadium.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:44 PM
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"Hereby," SB. It's a performative or exercitive or something.

53: Was it supposed to be sad?


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:44 PM
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There's nothing wrong with Metallica, b-wo, except for the look of amusement that it elicits when it is the answer to the question "What are you listening to?", which itself followed the question, "So, what are you working on?", to which the answer was "Reading about the concept of tragedy in 18th century French Aesthetics."


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:51 PM
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Incongruity is in the eye of the beholder.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 1:52 PM
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It's a performative or exercitive or something.

I thought it was a badformative. (A mild one.) Though having callously jilted ac's theory for text's in the great hat-speculum-moustache controversy, I'm not sure I'm qualified to throw this stone.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:00 PM
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I read 'exercitive' as 'excretive'.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:02 PM
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Oh, here's something that I'm embarrassed about and ashamed to be embarrassed about:

Tom Jones and the Cardigans have a GREAT (do you hear me?) remake of Burning Down the House.

I am ashamed. And embarrassed. But also rockin'!


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:10 PM
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RE 55


I don't know what radio station it was. They said they were selecting a new format. It was over christmas time about ten years ago.


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:16 PM
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I think the Cardigans do one Sabbath cover on every album. Certainly their cover of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" is good, as well.


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:16 PM
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"Also, what an excellent stadium"

Ugh. It is the Atlantic City of stadiums. Remorselessly designed to extract every last dollar from you. And it reinforces the concept that the game itself is nothing more than an opportunity to eat hot dogs and drink beer. Of course, if I'm not careful that leaves me in the position of having to defend the Vet and Shea.

As for Tom Jones, I have Its Not Unusal, Kiss, and Buring Down the House on the I-Pod. That's because they are arch and cool in a way that Eddie Money is not. Its a good thing for Eddie that he has not one but two tickets to paradise.

Last week the nanny played the Macarena for the toddler. His response was to jump up and down, start miming the dance and say "Daddy has that! Daddy has that!" I'm not sure if the nanny believed me when I said I'd downloaded it just so his mother could play it for him.


Posted by: benton | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:49 PM
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the game itself is nothing more than an opportunity to eat hot dogs and drink beer

The argument that this is wrong will rank with "Karl Rove, whistleblower."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:52 PM
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Ogged! This is ridiculous. Surely there's a sport we both like.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 2:59 PM
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I'm sure there is, SB, I'm sure there is.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:00 PM
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The game certainly is an opportunity to eat hot dogs and drink beer. But it is more than that.

And, now that I have been challenged, I wish to amend it to "nothing more than an opportunity to eat hot dogs and drink beer AND shop at boutiques"


Posted by: benton | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:01 PM
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Your inner monologue is leaking into comments. Is your tinfoil adjusted properly?

Get out OF MY MIND! [Stab! Stab! Stab! Weep. Moan.]

Sorry, what?


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:05 PM
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Tom Jones' version of Ring of Fire is also better than you would think.


Posted by: Joe O | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:07 PM
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I'm sure there is, SB

Do you have one in mind? Otherwise I don't see how you can be so sure.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:12 PM
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The same way I'm sure we're not alone in the universe.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:14 PM
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What about jai alai? Everybody loves jai alai.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:22 PM
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Jai alai is probably not grunty or sweaty enough for ogged.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:25 PM
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Why do you have to put me on the defensive like that? Huh? Because baseball sucks? Is that why?

I like jai alai, if having seen the opening sequence of Miami Vice can count as having watched jai alai. It probably shouldn't count.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:30 PM
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I've never seen it, not even in the opening sequence of Miami Vice, but I've decided to like it, in accord with the Chopper Principle.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:39 PM
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I went to my first Jai Alai match a couple of weeks ago. Suprisingly fun to watch (especially if, unlike me, you know what the basque epithets hurled at the players mean), but arguably the easiest game in the world to fix.


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 3:46 PM
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I like Neil Diamond in a completely non-ironic way. Today the legal work gathered all its strength to kick me hard in the choda.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 4:15 PM
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whosoever is in law school, ask yourself: do you like proofreading? Not proofreading philosophy papers from the 16th century where one can glimpse at hidden tidbits -- proofreading a bunch of crap about an IT contract. Proofreading citations to that contract, and e-mails from a hundred different people. And do you like writing by committee? Do you think that's efficient/ fun? Then attend to your studies.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 4:22 PM
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Maybe what you need, text, is a nice trial. Some oral argument. Maybe a nice appellate brief. Dude, you can always do it pro bono if it's not your meat and potatoes. Not that I want to volunteer all your time for you or anything. But there's fun stuff in the law, isn't there?


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 4:24 PM
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Text, I feel your pain. I'm just now in a lull after a truly nasty couple of weeks drafting a RICO summary judgment motion for a couple of partners whose comments were along the lines of "This is good, but now make it better. You know, fix the weak points. And find some caselaw that supports this recurring delusion I've been having about the evil little pink squirrels that are coming to get me."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 4:30 PM
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find some caselaw that supports this recurring delusion I've been having

Do you find that you get versions of this one oftener than your general assumptions about the occurrence of insanity in the partnered ranks would support?


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 4:34 PM
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Well, they get these bees in their bonnets, poor dears. This one was particularly stubborn -- he'd gotten puzzled by the RICO enterprise/defendant distinctness requirement, and was convinced that you couldn't plead an association-in-fact enterprise made up of persons A, B, and C only if each of A, B and C was also a defendant -- plaintiffs would have to pick one defendant not to sue, in order to preserve distinctness. There's no support for this at all, of course, the man was simply smoking crack, but I had a very hard time convincing him.

(Running for my train now -- have a good weekend everyone!)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 4:48 PM
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I listen to gay disco to fall asleep

Is there non-gay disco? I listen to Abba all the time. And I love that disco song "More, More, More." I am also a huge Kylie fan.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:38 PM
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slo, this was an appellate brief. I do the good stuff.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:43 PM
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that sounded obnoxious. I don't do the good stuff, mostly, but this was what is normally thought of as a plum assignment. Not doc review.

I am a bit drunker and happier now. Not the worst gig in the world, but probably won't make my life out of it, is all.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:45 PM
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Why would you waste someone with a law degree on doc review?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:50 PM
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LB -- it is funny how much more research you have to do if it turns out the partner was wrong about his or her hunch. But I prefer too little guidance over too much. Five people writing one document, even a really long one, is inefficient. You end up with something worse than that which any one of the individuals would have created, with subsequent edits.

But we have a happy hour on Fridays.

I go home too. Best to all, sorry for the unnecessary spewing.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:51 PM
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bw -- because if you turn over privileged documents, and it turns out that you weren't using lawyers to review them, that's malpractice.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:52 PM
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now, truly, I depart, and let it be with a happy song, not petty mewling.

Blog crushes to all.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 6:53 PM
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Kylie also makes fun underwear.

(I am determined to make a splash with Kylie talk, even if the time for it has long passed.)


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 7:00 PM
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What exactly is hipster here?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 7:02 PM
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Well, probably not the heart charm trinket.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 7:04 PM
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It just means a low-riding pair of panties with wide-banded sides, like a short pair of shorts instead of the more typical narrow waistband.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-15-05 7:06 PM
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