Re: Let's negotiate!

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Likewise, in the current NYRoB, Christian Caryl notes that in fact the US was all but out of Saudi Arabia as of 2003 and thus had "essentially fulfilled bin Laden's primary demand." So where's the commensurate deescalation?


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 2:42 PM
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One of the best-named clerics ever, Cardinal Law.....

Qualifying your statement was wise, because Cardinal Sin of the Philippines ("either mortal not venial") was the best-named cleric ever.

Cardinal Biggles can only gnash his teeth in envy.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 2:57 PM
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"neither mortal nor venial". Damn.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 2:58 PM
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Two conflicting reactions: I'm not sure why you think he's "endorsing." (Unless you reject the legitimacy of what he says are Al Q's aims out of hand.)

But: he sure does sound like he admires Al Qaeda.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 3:08 PM
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Posted by: [redacted] | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 3:35 PM
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Posted by: [redacted] | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 3:37 PM
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5: Well, it seems to me that there was an intermediate stop at "we can't win (and neither can they)" on the way to "Truce!"

Not that I endorse this--if we can't win, we might well still be able to contain without coming to some agreement. And as slol points out it's not clear that acceding to their demands will do any good. "whose struggle enjoys the rear-guard sympathy of large numbers of Muslims" isn't exactly a fixed conditions--fighting the war of ideas doesn't mean doing things that Al Q wants.

Also, what Ogged said about admiration.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 3:46 PM
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A math pun that's actually funny. Seriously, wow. I doff my hat.


Posted by: bza | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 4:52 PM
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Someone reassure me that bza is in the wrong thread and I'm not missing a funny math pun.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 5:02 PM
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Google "inaccessible cardinal."


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 5:04 PM
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Shit.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 5:08 PM
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Jesus Christ. The comments need footnotes. (Or hyperlinks, I suppose.)


Posted by: Kriston | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 6:24 PM
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This site obviously never will be up to the task of giving Yglesias the valid, adequate trashing that will tell him that he has finally arrived. Why do people think he's short, when he's not? That sounds pretty bad to me.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 6:41 PM
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Someone reassure me that John is in the wrong thread and I'm not missing a worthwhile Yglesias critique.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 6:46 PM
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"He is as a god among us" in the update gave me a hint that I might be in the wrong place.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:20 PM
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Every time Yglesias gets mentioned anymore* John starts making noises about trashing him. He never seems to follow through, though.

*For MW


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:26 PM
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Emerson was all hyped to trash Yglesias when he thought that Matt, like John himself, is short. Now that he's learned that Yglesias tops 6', he's backing down while trying to save face.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:31 PM
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I'm going to enlish Yglesias's support when I issue a fatwa against people who make fun of other people's spelling.

My take, not having read the whole article yet: Al Q bad, but their demands aren't as terrible as they are.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:41 PM
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You misspelled "English."


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:42 PM
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1. Teh powerline post was by the ugly owl, not Big Trunk.

2. Regardless of whether or not Mohamedou has a point, the powerline post was stupid.

3. An evident problem with Mohamedou: he acknowledges that Al Q is decentralized, yet advocates that conceding to Al Q's demands will bring a truce. It is not obvious how Osama would have the authority to stop a decentralized terrorist network.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:55 PM
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Matt, I'm going to Austin this weekend. Want me to make a side-trip to Lubbock to break a foot off?


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:56 PM
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Ya ast for it.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:56 PM
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"for" s/b "fer"


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 7:57 PM
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22. When the Revolution comes...

23. ?


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:03 PM
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23 redux: "Ya ast fer it" seemed more authentic than the way I had it first. Gotta keep it real.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:08 PM
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Adjusting your speech pattern to "seem more authentic" is antithetical to keeping it real.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:11 PM
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Indeed it is.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:15 PM
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Git yerself a wife-beater and a skully. And a grill if you want it xtra real.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:23 PM
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Oddly enough, the straw cowboy hats that I've been wearing to keep the sun off my face and neck do not help me blend in; in fact if anything the reverse.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:26 PM
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Do your own thang. Though straw hats are more of a SouthEastern thang.

Get a bandana and a spit cup.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:30 PM
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My Bible and apologia. Unfortunately one of my hats that started out light-colored has become slightly darker since the wind blew it into a fountain on campus.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:36 PM
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Genuinely tall people are never thought to be short, but that's a common error about Y. And remember, on the internet no one knows you're a dog. He may be an elaborate Unfogged hoax.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:44 PM
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Considering he posts on three blogs, none of them Unfogged, that would be quite a hoax.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:49 PM
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And the guy who occassionally shows up on TV as "Matthew Yglesias"? Bob.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 8:52 PM
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An elaborate Unfogged hoax behind a commenter's identity? Please, like that would ever happen.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 9:01 PM
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See, the irony is that my real name is "Ogged" and "Matt Yglesias" is just a pseudonym. Then this "unfogged" blog showed up and ruined everything.


Posted by: Matthew Yglesias | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 9:19 PM
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I think that Unfogged should be proud of the hoax of the millenium. This is better than graduating a dig from Cal Tech.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 9:40 PM
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Dog.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 9:41 PM
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Yglesias is a jumped-up punk who got his job only because he went to Harvard and is the son of a cultural elite. He needs to be taught his place, and his job should go to someone deserving.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 9:46 PM
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his job should go to someone deserving

They were originally going to give the job to Pepe the Hungry Orphan, but kicked him out of the running when they found that his resume was in the wrong font.

They were right to do so.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 09-21-05 10:25 PM
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I never read Yglesias as short but I have read Ogged as bald(ing). True or false?


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 8:44 AM
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If ogged resembles Bert, and let's stipulate that he does, he has a groovy tuft thing working for him.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 8:49 AM
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I don't think I want to know what it means to come off as balding in one's writing. But I am not, though Yglesias is.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 8:56 AM
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To clarify, I picture "balding but wears it well", not "balding with pathetic combover".


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 8:59 AM
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(44 was a followup to 41, not a response to 43, which would imply something else altogether.)


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:01 AM
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If ogged resembles Bert, and let's stipulate that he does, he has a groovy tuft thing working for him.

How much does he pay it, and what are its job duties?

(Considering a carrer change.)


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:20 AM
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I bet Tom Hilde has a bad combover.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:31 AM
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He should have one, but I'm not sure he's got the right hair for it. (Maniacal look, he has down.)


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:33 AM
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Shortly after that picture was taken, he catapulted a squirrel into the Chesapeake.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:44 AM
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An elaborate Unfogged hoax behind a commenter's identity? Please, like that would ever happen.

Shall we speculate? I have my theories.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:49 AM
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I'm really Bob.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:53 AM
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Unf is Alameida's husband.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 9:54 AM
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C'mon -- Yglesias could never be Ogged. We'd know because of the spelling.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 10:02 AM
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Is it really such a stretch to think that Brad is Banana Lofts' alter ego? Or vice versa?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 10:19 AM
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Unf is Alameida's husband.

It's the steady production of arm-length posts that gives it away.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 10:22 AM
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Does Alameida know about Unf's second wife?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-22-05 10:53 AM
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