You'll grow boobies from all the estrogen.
So that's a plus.
Soy beans are named from soy sauce, not the other way around.
Critical consensus is go for it. It's one of the most healthful changes you can make. There are some concerns oabout its affect on women with breast cancer and one study showing that Japanese men with VERY high levels of soy intake had more mental decline than those without, but the former don't affect you and the latter is both preliminary and, probably wrong. It's worth keeping in mind that 2/3rds of studies end up being proven incorrect. Other than that, the Japanese eat soy and they live absurdly long, healthy lives. It's good for your heart, low in bad fats, high in protein, and cheap as shit. Enjoy!
soy is a tool of the devil: a tool to give us yummy food, that is!
It's worth keeping in mind that 2/3rds of studies end up being proven incorrect.
By other studies, I presume.
The really funny thing about Ezra's comment is that one third of studies are proven incorrect. link
Scientific progress thanks you for the correction.
You know scientific progress? Ask him how he's been since he broke up with religious conviction.
Since sci-pro split with rel-co he's been wooed a bit by po-mo, but that seems to be a no-go.
His bleaks are bleaker
But his geeks are geeker—
Truth seeker gonna swish the beaker.
I can't direct students to Labs's list, in my official capacity, given the present vocabulary. And, my previous comment to the contrary, my scruples won't let me crib it. It's killing me, because it's a great list and the items all tie together (as Kieran says) and are of a piece.
I personally don't give a dang about whether or not food is GM, but here it is: soy is one of the biggest GM crops cultivated, and it has not been ruled out that the modifications could jump to other cultivars.
http://www.biotech-info.net/planting_up.html
Slol, Unfogged's Creative Commons license allows you to crib what you want as long as it's attributed and you share alike. Since attribution doesn't have to mean a link (though we reserve the right to sue the pants off anyone else who doesn't link without special dispensation), I think you're ok.
SB, I'm a little disappointed you didn't try a "Sokal" rhyme in 10.
Sure, too much soy is probably bad for you, but isn't it pretty much accepted that too much of anything is bad for you?
Slol, is cribbing still a problem? I'm going to link FL's post, and if you want I can quote it all without the dirty parts.
If it wasn't bad for you, it wouldn't be too much of it.
I happen to know that too much of nothing makes a strong man a liar.
If it wasn't bad for you, it wouldn't be too much of it.
Here speaks a wise if ignorant man.
yeh, nothing about strong men at all.
Bad things you've heard about soy are grounded in the fact that the soy available in the USA is overwhelmingly GM. If you don't think this is a problem (and you shouldn't) you should eat soy. Now I've also heard it said that soy milk is somewhat more caloric than standard milk, but I can't see why normal adults would worry about something like that. If you happen to consume freakish, Armsmasheresque quantities of milk, that's another story.
But what about estrogen, and boobies?
Seriously, what I'm most curious about is just how much estrogen-mimicking stuff is in the soy products we consume, and what effect it has on our bodies.
By your own admission, ogged, you have no ass; you may as well grow some boobies.
Matt, thanks for that; that might be a solution. I was thinking I'd just edit out, with ellipses, the language that would offend old ladies in Dubuque and attribute the post appropriately.
I probably worry too much about these things, but some days you see things that make you think you can never worry too much.
And ogged, thanks for elucidating the Unfogged policy for litigious debagging.
It's about to go up on my blog as soon as I get the links in.
Just drink milk. It's so good! I really don't understand how so few people enjoy a tall, ice-cold glass of milk before they go to bed. If you're interested in soy milk, what you really want is milk, and it's deleriously good for you if you don't suffer from lactose intolerance.
There's something disconcerting about your apparent love for milk. I mean, it's just milk.
Anyway, I'm hella lactose intolerant (as are most of the people in the world, privileged white man.)
Actually, lactose free milk is even yummier than regular milk (the lactose is broken down into constituent sugars, so the milk is sweeter), and I do like it a lot. That's not to say you don't have mommy issues.
Lactose intolerance is the normal way post-weaning. Lactose tolerance means never having to grow up.
Time to stop hitting the carton, Smasher, and grow up.
Why is there an issue about soy at all? Is there something I should know? Soy is just a kind of bean.
Lactose tolerance means never having a cavity.
Yes, milk is good food. All you lactose-intoleroids, have fun on the reservations. We're never going to honor those treaties.
Why is there an issue about soy at all? Is there something I should know? Soy is just a kind of bean.
Ogged has synthetic mommy–issues. Or, is looking into acquiring some.
My understanding is that soy can potentially have an effect on your endocrine system similar to estrogen. But odds are that the effects are totally unnoticeable for everyone but kids (and may not be noticeable even for them). Soy-based infant formula strikes me as an unnecessary gamble, but otherwise the Japanese counterargument seems pretty convincing.
Anyway, is soy so delicious that this is a big worry? I say no. Fried tofu's okay once or twice a year, and soy sauce is important to sushi consumption, but otherwise I feel I can do without it. Also, soybean oil (although cheap and consequently omnipresent) is pretty rough on some people's stomachs.
But I'll probably be going by Whole Foods later tonight, so if someone wants to suggest a particular brand of soy-based culinary abomination, I'll give it another shot.
If you're not lactose intolerant, I don't see any reason to go for soy. (That said, Silk's soy yogurt is really good. It's one of my staples.)
edamame beans. The kind of fried tofu available at most dim sum places.
those are good.
At Zen Palate, they make all sorts of stuff with stuff, and some of that stuff involves soy, and it's good.
They dress it up to look like Beef Wellington and shit, though, which is weird.
38- I cannot abide Silk soy yogurt. Ick. And I'm someone who eats tofu and drinks soy milk all the time.
You're fired.
What don't you like about it? (Is there a soy yogurt you like better?)
In that case, I can assure you that Silk soy yogurt is the best there is (or the best I've had, anyway).
You're fired.
Isn't a banning the traditional response?
I have no fish with beef.
40 - I had dinner at Zen Palate just last night. Yummy, but it always feels like they're cheating because they fry the hell out of everything. Anything tastes good fried. Kind of defeats the health aspect of choosing vegetarian fare, too.
In Taiwan they have a fermented tofu called "stinky tofu". You can smell it a block away. It tastes great. It may cause stomach cancer in later life, but what the hey. You guys are not in later life.
Eh text, you like beef?
I once had a date with a girl who asked to meet me at a place that she called "Zen Pa-LOT-ay".
Isn't even non-soy (that is to say, regular milk) yogurt supposed to be digestible for us lactose-intolerant types? I've personally never noticed the same degree of, shall we say, intolerance after eating yogurt that I experience after, say, ice cream.
And, just to jump back to earlier comments, I think drinking milk is kind of weird and gross, but that's probably because I grew up not allowed to drink milk with meals (Jewish) and so to me milk is just something you put in cereal.
What do you fucking want, Drymala, sympathy?
I do like beef. And stinky tofu. That file was a little disturbing.
Yogurt has enzymes, which do the digesting for you, and often result in very satisfying stools.
Yes, M3, yogurt is said to be well-tolerated. I haven't had milk yogurt in so long, I don't even remember. Anyway, I like the soy stuff, and growing my own boobies seems like my best bet.
Hey! It was more traumatic than you realize.
OH RIGHT BECAUSE YOU DON'T GO ON DATES. Sorry, ogged. Me and my big mouth.
ogged, do the little enzyme pills not work for you? I still seem to be pretty lactose-tolerant, but if it came down to it I think I'd opt for carrying around a couple of lactaid tablets in my wallet rather than trying to choke down soy ice cream.
do the little enzyme pills not work for you?
They work pretty well actually, within limits. For one big lactosey meal, like, say, pizza for dinner, the pills work well (they still screw up digestion a bit, but nothing uncomfortable). But if I do big lactose two days in a row, not so helpful. And meals that have the lactose doses spread out (cream soup, appetizer, entree, ice-cream, for example) are tough to do even with the pills. (One thing to know about the pills if you use them: fuck the recommended dosage, take several times that--this was advice given to me by a doctor friend, and it's been very helpful.)
Amen to that, ogged. I tend to pop two or three if I'm drinking a milkshake.
I'm not sure what kind of pills you have, M3, but I usually take seven or eight.
Ogged, I bow before your clearly superior lactose metabolization.