Ogged has been incompetent in the past. Chuckle-snort.
I get to chortle, you only get to look.
If you can't finish the set, your instructor gives you an "incompete".
Do you have other workouts where you're doing, say 30x100 @ 2:40? That is, working on endurance but not so much speed?
I found in rowing that it made sense to treat the two as completely separate problems, and that after long enough working on slow endurance some days and short speed workouts on others, it got much easier to do long workouts fast. Simply starting with a short, fast workout, and trying to keep going longer, on the other hand, was just awful.
Thanks for the memories of what it used to be like to be on high school swim team.
Once I came to practice and on the blackboard was written 20x200 @ 5:00. Groan...
The last time I beat anyone in swimming, I still had a flagellum.
Let's all think about this phrase: "my swimming textbook".
I wonder if ogged bought his "swimming textbook" because he's no longer able to ogle the Swede's ass.
My colleague plays underwater hockey- he's somehow affiliated with the "national team," and he talks about a lot of weird workouts they do. Stuff like swimming 75m underwater, resting for 30s, repeating. Just bizarre.
Is that 3 x a 25m pool?
Yeesh. At one point I could swim 50m underwater, but that was 100 pounds and a 19 year cigarette habit ago.
Still, I'm hoping that this post, like the post about the Ex kicking my ass, will be an occasion for future chortles at my own past incompetence.
I don't understand. Did you later beat Ex, and now can look fondly back on your childish inability at that time? Do you expect to be able to do 30 X 100 @ 1:40 at some point?
Still, I'm hoping that this post, like the post about the Ex kicking my ass, will be an occasion for future chortles at my own past incompetence. Keep hope alive.
Awhile back one of the new people here, Saheli I think, apologized for seeming to have criticized you. It was impossible at the point to explain to her that Ogged existsto be abused, and that apologies to Ogged are thus really quite inappropriate.
Ogged existsto be abused
John, the fact that you're a senior citizen won't keep me from kicking your ass.
Did you later beat Ex, and now can look fondly back on your childish inability at that time?
Precisely, Timbot, precisely. Ex won't race me anymore, and it wouldn't be very nice of me to race her.
Do you expect to be able to do 30 X 100 @ 1:40 at some point?
Not really. Even in the prime of life, I didn't have big lungs. No endurance, which I'm sure you can understand. But I do expect that 5 x 100 @ 1:40 will seem not very hard some time in the future.
Was this triumph over Ex reported, or were we to infer it from this post? If the latter - w-lfs-n, is this reasonable?
Not reported. Y'all wouldn't much like this blog if it were about my myriad triumphs.
John, the fact that you're a senior citizen won't keep me from kicking your ass.
ogged is such a valiant warrior, brave and true
TJ, some things are so painful that I always sort of hope that you don't actually have to train for them, that some people can just do them, other people can't, and I don't have to think about all the pain involved in learning to do it. Swimming long distances under water is one of those things. I see the current world record is 175m without using fins. (Dynamic apnea is the one to look for: all the ones with negative distances involve people swimming, or being carried, straight down.) Ouch.
Of course, something I didn't realise until I learned to dive with SCUBA is that not everyone floats, and the people who don't tend to be able to swim underwater better because they aren't fighting to stay down there.
Mary, do you know how the dynamic apneators stroke?
Kieran Perkins is a freak. More so than Olympic quality athletes in general. If you want something really scary, observe that the world record for the 200 freestyle is only 1:44.06. Granted, they aren't going to be doing five of these in a row...
And LB, I'm not sure if this is counterintuitive or not, but training for endurance usually involves faster intervals and less rest, while if you want to train for speed you swim faster on a slower interval. It still sucks, but in a completely different way.
I watched a meet where Larsen Jensen swam (and won) the 1650, then literally got out of the pool and back onto the blocks for the 200.
But yeah, in some ways, the times in the freestyle sprints are even more amazing.
Jake, if I recall correctly Kieran Perkins once set the 400m world record in the first eight laps of a 1500m race in which he also set the 1500m record. (Interesting fact about Australia for the day: because of Perkins and later Grant Hackett, who have between them been all over the men's 1500m for the last decade, Australia is completely obsessed with that Olympics event. It's always has the most TV viewers for an Olympic event, and is usually one of the top three or four most watched TV segments of that year.)
ogged, I didn't actually know what the stroke looked like. I tend to be more interested in the no-limits apnea, primarily because it's just completely nuts.
Mary,
I quite agree! The underwater hockey apparently requires fins. But, frankly, I think the whole idea is preposterous.
When I was in junior high and early high school (mid-80s), and just starting to get ery competitive about swimming, I had an old-school coach who was still heavily invested in the 1970s-syle of massive overtraining (12000 meter workouts were not unheard of in the summer, and those were followed by evening workouts in the 4-6000 meter range). This for 14-18 year olds.
This man thrived on mega-endurance work, and had us convinced that this was the way to success. When we'd complain, he'd tell us of Jeff Kostoff's (Stanford) Xmas day workout. The legend was (and I don't know the veracity of the rumor, but it is plausible) that Kostoff's workout was 5 x 5000 on 50:00. That's 1:00/hundred, 250 times. Junior national qualifying in the mile at the time was about :59 / hundred (16:15). He did that (assuming he got SOME rest between repeats) 15 times. Crazy, crazy, crazy. But he did swim about a 14:40 mile (:53 / 100).
I remember reading that both Mark Spitz and Don Schollander (multi-medalists) regretted the tremendous amount of hard work they had to do to win.