are you the co-author of an ineffective piece of federal legislation?
No I'm not Barney Frank? He must have written some ineffectual legistlation, right? And Katherine Harris would totally beat him up.
Pretty sure 1 refers to McCain-Feingold.
w/d, is that your idea of a first order? I almost feel like just sniffing indignantly in response. No I'm not F. Scott Fitzgerald, cracker.
I was thinking Feingold, regarding McCain-Feingold. Barney Frank only sponsors stuff that rocks. I get to ask another question!
I didn't actually read the rules and will refrain from participating unless and until I have done so.
Shouldn't we have people indicate if their questions are first or second order (the way we did before)? I know it doesn't matter now, but if this thread gets busy it could get confusing.
(BTW, I have a two-minute mystery if you want one for next time.)
7: No I'm not Foureau?
Just kidding, I don't know.
(Teofilo, will you be the answerer on your TMM? I want a chance to guess.)
1st order: were you one of the leading anticolonialist writers of the 20th century?
I think you guys are cleverly getting around the MAE variation by not asking any second order questions until you've built up a huge supply of first order rights. give me a sec, apo, I'm thinking.
Margaret Fuller.
2nd order: Are you American?
(I bolded 2nd order answers last time.)
Apo, I give up, I can't think of anyone.
21 gets it exactly right. Were you a woman?
The anticolonialist, I mean. So now I have to think of a dead American F. Um...
Did you direct The Manchurian Candidate?
(And with 24, did I arrange a luncheon for you once, inviting Raul Julia's widow?)
25: Ooh ooh! It's celebrity namedrop Botticelli! We should be able to work out the rules for this variant somehow -- with every question you ask, you have to ask another one to which only you (or others connected with the story) could possibly know the answer.
25: Ooh ooh! It's celebrity namedrop Botticelli! We should be able to work out the rules for this variant somehow -- with every question you ask, you have to ask another one to which only you (or others connected with the story) could possibly know the answer.
Not the biggest namedrop in the world, is it? Raul Julia's widow.
And I'm stumped on the Manchurian Candidate director.
Were you part of a plot on a Mathnet segment?
John Frankenheimer.
2nd order: Did you write books?
I think Mike Wallace came to that luncheon and tried to hand me a dollar because he thought I was some kind of coatcheck girl.
Fibonacci was!
My 2nd order... hmm... are you a political figure?
Albert Fish. Very nasty.
Um, were you a scientist?
I am stumped on the department store magnate.
Did you invent a means of riparian transportation?
1st order: Did you wear spectacles and conduct very foolhardy scientific experiments?
A friend of mine was recently complaining to me how much she hates celebrity namedropping. She hates her boss (the guy who slept with Jeanne Moreau) because he does this all the time. She's thinking of breaking up with her boyfriend because he does it too much. I was thinking about this conversation as I posted 25.
are you famous for having invented something?
Did you pioneer the use of the path integral?
For 46, I was thinking of Robert Fulton, the steamboat guy.
Dang. After I asked it, I was afraid that would disqualify the question.
In that case, were you nominated to be chief justice?
Oh, poo. I hadn't seen 37. Franklin did write a book or two.
Were you a founding father of our country?
Okay, my second-order: did most of your life occur in the nineteenth century?
49: I am famous for having invented something
Hrmm, guess my last question is also disqualified for "writing a book" reasons. I'm a bit surprised that there are any scientists who never wrote a book.
Wait, I'm sorry, he appears to have written a book. Ben Franklin is back on the table.
Are you famous for an invention related to television?
Is it just not known for writing books?
This is the charitable interpretation of Anna Freud's non-book-writing from the other game.
okay, JM and Noah get second orders on the basis of non-disqualified book writing stumpers. Dead Man's Pants, is that Franklin too?
No, Anthony, Anna Freud wrote essays. She didn't write a book. I checked.
I did not live most of my life in the 19th century
first order: Richard Feynman (asked before "inventor")
second order: Did you live most of your life in the 20th century
Damn, I've been out-pedanted! Nice one.
I don't know about the television invention, apo.
I lived most of my life in the twentieth century
No, it's Abe Fortas. He wrote a book, but not "books."
Second order: Were you born in the United States of America?
Was there a movie made about your love life?
I don't quite know what to ask for my second order since all of the dead male 20th-c scientists I'm likely to know have already been mentioned.
Um. Were you involved with the Manhattan Project?
Oh, shit, I'm just messing up all over the place! The first time I misunderstood the rules, the second time I just hadn't seen that clue. I'll go flagellate myself now.
71: You're not Philo Farnsworth.
Did your invention spawn an industry?
74: They made a movie about Mutombo?
I'm not Foppenheimer, JM? I dunno.
And I'm responding to each question honestly and individually, but I don't guarantee that they're not misleading you. I feel burned by being so honest about asteroid, so I'm just being truthful and not giving an indication of when you should think outside the box.
Not sure, on reflection, if he's known for inventing anything, though.
Only JM has the right to ask a second order question right now, though. What a paradox. Maybe in this variant you shouldn't have to ask a first order question to get the right to guess at who the person is.
Did you invent a method for mass production?
No, no. The stupid Manhattan Project question was a second-order.
Were you a character in Ragtime?
'Sokay, I'm not in it to win it. Even though I'm pretty sure I just did.
I kinda want to play a variant of this game where we just come up with more and more ridiculous questions to which the answer is "No I am not Richard Feynman."
Examples:
"Did you famously stick something in ice water"
"Is your advice on dating summed up in the phrase 'you just ask them.'"
Oh. No, I was not involved in the Manhattan Project
Is that first or second order, text?
(I flagellate fast, in case you were wondering.)
Okay, apo, you and text know the answer, you can say it.
Yeah, but I had to beat it out of myself.
Okay, Mr. Pants can say it if he doesn't want to be deferential to Apo's rights as the hero.
I wouldn't dare. I may not be The New Guy anymore, but I'm still the new guy.
Apo, do you want to be the next answerer?
I can't. I have to finish up some work here so I can go pack for my trip to the Outer Banks.
I suppose you could call it that. It was more of a joke in that it could either be a first order question, or a comment on the state of the game now that the answer is known.
What sheesh? Are engineers not scientists? I didn't say he was primarily known as a scientist.
I haven't been following -- who is it?
I'd say inventing engines at that time was a scientist-y thing to do. Nowadays, not so much.
I don't know that he invented an engine. He invented the automobile assembly line. But he engineered engines, or something. So engineers aren't scientists? I think he did experiments.
Me, I would make a distinction between scientists and engineers. Certainly in the c20. I mean, you know, Feynman, he's a scientist.
He never pardoned anybody, but that's close.
Ford? Ford wasn't a scientist, was he? Which science?
the science of efficiency, pithy sayings, and fascism.
Wikipedia says he did experiments. It also says "one of the first" to use assembly line manufacture of automobiles, but he is nevertheless "famous for being an inventor."
LB, he was an engineer. I thought engineers were scientists.
true. I could have encompassed more by using "nazi-sympathizing"
I'll do one, if no one else wants to.
W.
I think he counts as prematurely nazi-sympathizing. Wasn't he nazi-sympathizing before there were nazis to sympathize with?
Feynman also invented lectures. This pedagogical technique is still used today.
Why play a game when you could listen to the radio?
I'm not George Washington (who, in his first term, was unquestionably the worst president of the US ever.)
Wasn't he nazi-sympathizing before there were nazis to sympathize with?
Yes, but he continued to nazi-sympathize once there were Nazis to sympathize with as well.
No way! Peyton Randolph and John Hanson were way worse!
Also, engineers aren't scientists.
Also, engineers aren't scientists.
Wait, I know: are you often asked why you must be such an lb?
No, you're not Wallace, of Wallace and Gromit.
Are you a woman?
Ben, the song got weird.
And before you answer, in case you say you are a woman, are you known as the father of experimental psychology?
And, did Palmer rue that you were marrying Nina on All My Children?
Too late.
But I like the looser rules for first order questions better, so you can ask it anyway. And I have no idea who it is. (Or, rather, I would have guessed Skinner -- I can't think of a 'W'.)
139 is false.
No, 148 is false. From the linked page:
We seek to develop the best traits of engineers and scientists in our students.
No you're not Wernicke (and it would have worked anyway, since you're a man).
Are you real?
Are you a dashing naval captain whose heart was broken ten years before the novel opens?
No, I'm not real and I'm not a woman.
Damn you, Jack.
That was quick.
I was going to put in a plea for a new thread, to make it easier for us slow interweb third-world types, what with the constant refreshing and whatnot. But now of course it is way too late, and also tonight I've had an earthquake, there's a goddamned bat flying around in the house, and now it's 4.25 am and I shouldn't be playing any game anyway.
Did you play Churchill on a TV show?
Captain Wentworth from Persuasion. I was wondering how obvious it would be.
Wait, you're in the Pacific. You've got one of those mongo fruit bats flying around in your house? The huge ones?
HA.
I was hoping that was going to stump you, and then, when I revealed the answer you would be embarassed. This is even better.
Whew. I mean, flying foxes are gorgeous, but I wouldn't want to be sharing living space with one.
They end up in a coconut curry here. Paniki. Very leathery.
CHEWBACCA
WHAT A WOOKIEE
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No, I'm not a woman.
LizardBreath, I'm coming in mid-thread and am a bit confused, but won't Buck be very disappointed to learn this?
To quote the last line of Some Like It Hot:
Nobody's perfect.
Ha! I was going to ask if you had eloped with Lydia Bennett. Clearly that wouldn't have got me anywhere.
A W. also jilted Marianne. Interesting that W. was the hero in Persuasion. Does he have more in common with the other W.'s or with Brandon/Darcy?