I was twelve when I started with a 20 guage; I think that's too much gun for a boy five feet tall.
If a person likes Green Day's sound, but not their politics
[eye roll]
Republican law prof blog fight!
(I found this post after misparsing the subject of "happening"; I thought it was "part of what makes this funny" that was happening across it at the Volokh Conspiracy, not that part of what made it funny was your happening across it at the Volokh Conspiracy. Though I thought it was odd to describe that other stuff as happening "across it," since "across from it" is more idiomatic and anyway the other stuff on the blog is above and below it.)
3. If a person likes Ted Nugents' politics, but not his sound, what other bands might the person enjoy?
If a person doesn't know what Green Day sounds like or the first thing about their politics, do they make a noise?
are they still around? a quick glance at the website makes me think it hasn't changed since it was last mentioned. maybe they hit high school and discovered Bob Marley...
Wasn't Green Day mostly apolitical until their last album? I remember news things about it being a big deal that American Idiot was poitical.
2,4- Your top post (vacation) is no longer operative?
Well, this isn't just Volokh Conspiracy this is Kopel, the craziest (well maybe Bernstein, but I don't think so) of the Conspirators. The majority (NB: I have not done the necessary data calaculation, and am purely speculating) of his posts are in some way related to the natural right, derived from Christian theology, to bear arms.
Wasn't Green Day mostly apolitical until their last album? I remember news things about it being a big deal that American Idiot was poitical.
Insofar as they never came off as dicks, I always assumed they were Democrats.
One probably shouldn't post a mis-punctuated ramble while calling others crazy, or so I've heard. Though "craziest" does not actually imply that any of them are crazy, assuming that the spectrum of craziness begins somewhere in the normal range before crossing a threshold to actually crazy.
This post got me high. The cup of coffee I just gulped down might have helped.
The song (by Filter, David Kopel's new favorite band) referenced in the post title contains a classic, irritating instance of subjunctive "would have".
9: Yeah, I got back Sunday evening. Catching up with work has been too busy to get any posts out, though not too busy to comment here, it appears.
I'm also a bit concerned that Kopel's relying on a bleg for firearms; if his kid's getting into skeet & trap there should be a lot more research going on.
Gah, someone described the Ramones as "Green Day of 30 years ago."
And I can see not liking a band's music because their politics intrude too much, if you disagree with their politics. But (channeling Edroso) what parched Puritan needs to know that Johnny Ramone voted for Reagan before he enjoys his music?
what parched Puritan needs to know
Damn near all of them.
Blink 182 might work.
As what, cannon fodder?
17- Aye, this would seem to fall into the category of things on which you should not go to the internet for advice. Investing, medical decisions...
I am the widow of Sani Abacha and I have plenty of nearly new firearms in various gauges for your son to try....
22: No, now that they're on "indefinite hiatus," they may actually have to go get jobs, see.
Well hey, the Sex Pistols had one of the Top 50 Conservative Songs. Have at 'em!
I was twelve when I started with a 20 guage; I think that's too much gun for a boy five feet tall.
I must have been about 9 or 10 the first time I fired an old, short-barreled (=light=more recoil) 12 gauge, prone (shoulder can't move to absorb the recoil). It was a memorable experience.
screw the shotgun. real god fearin' americans hunt with tanks!*
*this comment brought to you by someone who was given a bolt action .22 as an eleventh birthday present.
What was the limit on short-barreled, before they became "sawed-off?" Was the stock shortened too? I'll bet not only the recoil but the flash would have been impressive, with a normal load. If you dad reloaded, he could have compensated for that by leaving out some grains.
Oh, indeed, one could go on the internet to learn about what shotgun is appropriate for a twelve-year-old. It's a great source of information, this internets. But a trap & skeet shooters' forum, or the local university's club team, or a sportsman's forum is probably a much better place. And if the kid is into it recreationally or competitively, dad should be an expert. That's just safety.
Not that dad has to research, necessarily. When I first fired a rifle I was maybe ten or eleven and a shrimpy little kid. I went out with my dad and my uncle to an outdoor range and we set up some paper targets. My dad and uncle shot standing and I remember my dad telling me about their different stances and grips due to their heights. When it was my turn, they sat me down at something much like a picnic table, which had a rest for the gun. I wasn't going to fall and get hurt, or aim wildly and hurt anyone, because the movement of the gun was restricted. (My uncle was hurt that I couldn't get a sight picture to save my life, but, like, emotionally hurt is okay.)
My own thoughts on a gun for a pre-teen: I don't know anything about shotguns, but I question the wisdom of buying something smaller, since the pre-teen is going to grow quickly. Also, 'for the child'. The kid's too young to own a gun. It's dad's gun, and the kid can borrow it. So the gun should probably fit dad, and the kid should learn to aim on a .22 and handle the shotgun when big enough.
I feel compelled to note that I fired an M1 Garand at the age of 16.
Not, one should note, well.
I agree Cala: I don't know about DaveL, but the shotgun wasn't "mine," I just got to use it now and then. And I was standing up, and the recoil was a shock after a .22.
Perhaps the youngster should begin on a potato rocket. As I recall there wasn't much recoil and the hilarity of smashing potatoes into tin cans is much greater than shooting little clay things.
29: The gun was an old single-barrel that my grandfather had sawed down to probably 18-20" and kept around for dealing with skunks and such. I don't think he'd shortened the buttstock, but the forestock (? am I remembering the term correctly) had either been removed or lost. My dad had inherited it but as far as I can remember never used it. The thing probably weighed about five pounds.
IIRC the barrel length needed to be 18" or more to be legal, and I'm pretty sure it was that, although I'm less sure that legality was something my grandfather had thought about when he cut it down. And for that matter, it's possible that he'd shortened it before sawed-off shotguns became illegal--wasn't that some time in the 30s? I don't know just how old the gun was.
The stock on a shotgun is generally legally required to be of a certain length. The minimum barrel length here is 12 inches.
The point being that you could take a long gun/shotgun and cut it down until it fit easily under your jacket. Great for liquor store holdups and the like. Possession of that type of modified is, I believe, a serious federal felony.
Wait, what are the cultural affiliations of this blog? I can't quite make them out...
Upper-class pussy poseur?
max
['Was that not civil?']
The point being that you could take a long gun/shotgun and cut it down until it fit easily under your jacket. Great for liquor store holdups and the like. Possession of that type of modified is, I believe, a serious federal felony.
Or, hypothetically, you could pull off your holdup with a type of gun that was designed from the ground up for ease of carry and concealment, if only there were such a thing. I'll bet a clever gun designer could come up with a gun that could be tucked into a pocket and held and fired in one hand! Good thing such a diabolical device has never been invented.
Sawed-off shotguns are intimidating because they don't need to be aimed carefully, and they leave a messy corpse. Though pistols are nice too.
Upper-class pussy poseur?
would you mind not insulting pussy?
They could be Trotskyists, you know.
Hey, when did I end up back on the blogroll? Is this just b/c O is flat on his back in the hospital and can't do a thing about it?
I can't decide if I'm pleased or kind of wistful about the reinstatement.
I'm stunned that Instapundit is still on.
Unfogged has to have the most outdated blogroll in the 'sphere.
Is there any way to divert this thread into some kind of discussion of sex?
Aww. Somebody beat me to it. Back in the 70s I had a sawed-off 410 with a pistol grip. Nice weapon.
Not for skeet or grouse, of course.
I hated Magma for their politics, to the degree I understood the lyrics. Lilith Fair got on my nerves, tho I kept the Indigo Girls.
40: I did it as a joke, and to see if anyone would notice. It's been weeks now.
(Ogged, actually, did notice, but didn't mention it. I got fed up with the joke not having worked and brought it up. He hadn't realized there was any comic intent. Jeez, if I wasn't trying to be funny I would have announced it.)
But we should update the blogroll. Although the last time I said so, one of my reasons was that Rivka had quit blogging, and she's back now.
she's back now
Oh -- that's really nice to hear. Thanks, I will go check it out.
Is there any way to divert this thread into some kind of discussion of sex?
I'm sure there is. There always is.
I just looked at insty and I affirmatively agree with his top three posts. In order, I read them as: vetoing a stem cell research bill would be bad, it would be good if the Palestinians released the IDF corporal they have, and the idea that the Speech and Debate clause forbade the search of Rep. Jefferson's office was incorrect, and it's good that a court said so.
I noticed B was back on the blogroll, and I kept meaning to mention it but never did. I like the alt text.
46: But he's still an asshole. Sometimes one of those puppy-dog earnest assholes who is just too clueless to realize that he's being an asshole, but an asshole nonetheless.
43: Mr. B. always does that kind of thing too--changes something small and then just waits, quietly, sometimes for months, until someone notices and says, "hey, what's this?"
Surely LGM belongs on ye blog roll. Also AWB?
45: the conversation is turning to Bitch, so we're halfway there!
I read the site almost exclusively through RSS. You could turn it purple and it would take me a week to notice.
49: No need to tell me. I run the test I did in 46 every once and a while, and three in a row is an outlier.
50: I can't believe you would tell LB what to put on the blogroll. That is so uncongenial.
Rivka is also updating her blogroll. Co-incidence? I think not.
Ain't my place but I suggest adding Ogged's other blog. Perhaps add the other blogs of the posters, except for A's blog with husband.
I read the site almost exclusively through RSS.
I see no conceivable disadvantages to this.
54: I merely suggest, wd.
I've been needing to update my blogroll forever. Although actually I think no one ever uses it.
Well you've got it tucked way down there and hidden away. No wonder.
I would totally use blogrolled links to the Mineshaft constellation. Actually, I'm already using the blogrolled apostropher link to get to his Mineshaft constellation.
This is inefficient, admittedly.
53: More a need to remind myself, really. I have a bad habit of giving odious people the benefit of the doubt if I haven't seen them do anything awful lately.
I use 'Smasher's links to the Mineshaft constellation, which is why I was v. sad when his blog was down for a while.
I use my own. I used to use Becks's, mostly.
I'd like to see all the blogs of regular commenters blogrolled, if they so desired. It's nice to see what people think on their own blogs.
"Unfogged has to have the most outdated blogroll in the 'sphere."
Nonsense. There are blogrolls that haven't changed since early 2002.
And grossly outdated blogrolls with all sorts of rotted links are dead common.
58: It's so long! I started out adding every academic blog I could find, and then once bitch got big, I felt like people would be hurt if I took them off. Arg.
I have a secret "Mineshaft" category in bloglines.
I'd prefer that any blogs added to the blogroll be defunct.
Or that blogs become defunct when added to the blogroll. It's the weapon of last resort.
I, for one, welcome the new iteration. Unfogged: the Endless Blogroll. Soon enough Unfogged will fit snugly into the prototypical conception of a blog.
Not all of the mineshaft blogrolls others have are complete. Which reminds me that I keep meaning to add everyone. I stripped down my sidebar after I realized that a lot of the stuff there wasn't working right or was way too out of date.
Also this, which I stumbled upon and know not who is responsible.
Sex diversion: the older I get, the more I enjoy sex without coming.
70: I saw that in my referrals, too. I'd use the rss feed but it doesn't give enough information about each post (or I'm using it wrong).
Catherine (I think) linked to that a while back.
Kinja has a broken link for me. But my blog isn't broken any more, as you would see, if any of you cared to read my blog.
I'm planning to read it tomorrow.
Dude, your blog's all about art. That's even more boring than soccer.
And I know that because I just clicked through and read it right now.
armsmasher:
lovely picture of f-upped piano on yr blog
soccer more boring than art, but less boring than politics
I understand; not all of you can make the minimal time time it takes to click through two, potentially three times a day. What with your sex lives and political blogs.
70: Whoa. Weird. I'm even on there.
And 'Smasher, I read your damn blog, ok? But it's difficult.
And 'Smasher, I read your damn blog, ok? But it's difficult.
Try sitting on the couch and attempting to make conversation.
Yeah, I didn't even know silvana had a blog until I saw that kinja thing.
79: "...not all of you can make the minimal time time...."
Time, time, time, see whats become of me
While I looked around
For my possibilities
I was so hard to please
[...]
Hang on to your hopes, my friend
Thats an easy thing to say, but if your hopes should pass away
Simply pretend
That you can build them again
Yeah, that's cause I don't much like my blog and don't link to it here. Plus, shutting it down in a couple of days, maybe tomorrow if I feel like it.
Trying to do my best Farber there. Uh, we're both listening to and downloading 80s dance music—that's like having a conversation.
Related: I'm personally offended that the only comment I got on my almost entirely off-color French-language post made a joke about spelling in an English-language update. This is oppression of the rankest sort.
Also: Congratulations on getting the site back up, 'Smasher. I really liked the Lady Liberty post you linked here a few days ago--um, maybe I should have said so earlier.
I saw all those variations of "merde" and other words, and thought it best not to hit post on the "Yay Italy!" comment I had written.
There's some page out there that aggregates Mineshaftian content. I get referals from it every so often.
My blogroll is terrible. My policy now seems to be that when someone new links to me, I flip a coin to determine if I should add it to the blogroll; on the other end, I sometimes manage to get around to deleting blogs that have been replaced by spam blogs.
Actually, I was only trying to imitate and thereby lightly mock the Farber, who was getting on my nerves earlier, though tonight as with every time he gets on my nerves I usually feel irritated with myself later about being bothered by him, who's just being his Farberian self.
87--Yes, best indeed.
88--'salright; I was joking here. Joking until I whip out my PhD in Kicking [eb's] Ass, that is.
I could actually understand quite a bit of that post, which was surprising. I really should learn French one of these days.
You should hear me talk. I used to have a sweet, American academic accent; recently, I reading some 19th-c poetry out loud and realized midway through that my accent had become pretty much white-girl-ghetto. (I need to find opportunities--ahem, constructive opportunities--to use the language more, or I'll lose it.)
Not being able to find old comments, even with yahoo, is starting to drive me crazy. But it's probably my own fault.
95: She started sleeping with a Persian. There's a reason Becks's mom worried about that.
Does Becks even speak French? Or does it work for all languages?
No, it was the sleeping with the Frenchman, and the more general moving into the talking the language solely in informal contexts. It can be problematic, though. Even when I got to be pretty near bilingual, I never had perfect control over register, which led to Hilarious Interchanges with proper grandmothers.
(Given the trend, it seems inevitable that my next boyfriend should be North Korean.)
I do not speak French. I am foreign-language impaired.
Somewhere there is a comment to which ot least one person agreed on the subject of love and a desire to kick someone's ass. Pretend I linked to it in response to 92. I've given up on finding it.
I remember that. I think it was apo.
I think Ogged said something like that, too.
I knew he was desperately in love with me!
(I think "saying a phrase twice for emphasis" needs to go on the same list as "Nooooooooooooooo!" of things that people never say in real life.)
102: Doesn't ring a bell for me. But I'm old and forgetful.
108 - No, you're thinking about the subject of love and a desire to spank someone's ass.
I'm pretty sure Yahoo is not indexing the site correctly. I can't find the Milky Way bar discussions, for example.
You mean you don't have a personal index that you update daily, eb? Tsk.
This Milky Way bar discussion? If so, I just used this search.
Nope. Many occurrences of Milky Way in this thread. Other phrases in that thread do not show up on yahoo. Where's the buffet of manliness?
A few days ago I went looking for the comment where Labs says something like "this blog has transformed me into the kind of person who agrees with Idealist and baa"; I can't find that one searching for "transformed" (plus alternate word forms).
Odd. I would have expected a problem with an archived comment thread but not a non-archived one.
Glad that's the thread you were looking for and not the one I linked. The one I linked was teh lame. Wondering why you were looking for it.
Off to bed.
I found the thread linked in 117 by searching for "chew on this", but that search turns up only the archive page for the "chew on this" post and not for the thread itself.
I was actually looking for yet a different thread, but I can't say why. I must hide the workings of my mind.
Dear god, eb, why would you want to drag that thread up?
It just happened to be a thread I knew had the phrase "milky way" that should have shown up on yahoo. I was looking for a dating thread where the milky way bar was referenced, but it turns out that thread (also not indexed) does not have any mention of wanting to kick the ass of someone one loves.
"Somewhere there is a comment to which ot least one person agreed on the subject of love and a desire to kick someone's ass. Pretend I linked to it in response to 92. I've given up on finding it."
It was said in the neighborhood of something I said, I seem to recall.
I'm sure that helps no end.
Gary, we love you, but now we're going to kick your ass.
The thing is, I kinda remember the conversation, but a bit vaguely. I think the comment might have been made to me, but I'm not sure, and it might have merely been in a set of exchanges I was also in. Yes, not very helpful; but at least I'm adding another datapoint that the conversation happened (not all that long ago; within the last 6-8 weeks or so, I think).
Something about how you can't love someone without desiring to kick their ass now and again. I know I didn't say it, but I have a vague idea I said something more or less agreeing, or spinning off from it; I think it was something along the lines that everyone who has loved me has wanted to kick my ass at times, or words to that effect.
Of course, if we stipulated that wanting to kick my ass means that you love me, then you guys love me, you really love me!
But that wasn't quite it. Woe.
Yes, that's the conversation. I know it was recent and I'm pretty sure I read it after most of the comments were made. I think the initial comment was made about a celebrity or someone like that. Something along the lines of "that would make me want to kick [whoever's] ass", followed by a comment to the effect that love is not love without generating such a desire every now and then.
slolerner: I feel compelled to note that I fired an M1 Garand at the age of 16.
Well, I can't let that go by without remarking that at the age of 13 I was firing one of these. I had to stand on a box to reach the sights. Also, one of these, with a schoolfriend loading for me.
eb, you wouldn't be thinking of this?
I mean, clearly you aren't, but I think you should be.
Close: I was thinking of this. I was right that it was w-lfs-n, and that one person agreed ("exactly right") but Gary remembered the conversation more accurately than I did.