This incident was obviously staged by teh jooz as part of their insidious plan to manipulate the U.S. into invading Canada. Just ask George Galloway.
Just be thankful it was a flight and not a football game.
The lurching thing (davening) is kind of freaky to watch when people really get into it, if you have no idea what it is. I'm waiting for when they kick an autistic guy off the plane for rocking back and forth.
This incident was obviously staged by teh jooz
We need to settle upon a convention. I always thought that it was "Da Joos."
I always thought that it was "Da Joos."
No, you're thinking of O.J. Simpson.
"The attendant actually recognized out loud that he wasn't a Muslim and that she was sorry for the situation but they had to ask him to leave," Faguy said.
'Cause, you know, if he had been Muslim, asking him to leave would have been perfectly acceptable and nothing to be sorry over.
Air Canada Jazz termed the situation "delicate," but says it received more than one complaint about the man's behaviour.
So shouldn't it have told the complainers to deal?
Who can't tell the difference between an Orthodox Jew praying and a Muslim? Not that being Muslim would be any reason to throw them off the plane.
And when did it get to be airline policy that passengers' fears were enough to get another passenger thrown off the plan even when those fears were known to be irrational?
And when did it get to be airline policy...
About 5 years ago, I'd guess.
Who can't tell the difference between an Orthodox Jew praying and a Muslim?
Oh, lots and lots of people. Those of us who live in big cities, and in my case see plenty of both every day, can forget this. Out in the vast, minorities are invisible in a way they don't have to be in cities; the Wiccan teacher you only know about because to the lawsuit, for instance.
And the vast probably includes many of the suburbs of even the biggest cities. The absence of differentness may be what the people who live there value about them.
Who can't tell the difference between an Orthodox Jew praying and a Muslim?
Anyone who hasn't seen either an Orthodox Jew or a Muslim pray. That is, probably 999 out of every thousand people in the world who are not Orthodox Jews or Muslims. Me, for example.
I could tell them apart by their clothing, though. And I assume that anyone who is religious enough to go into a terrifying prayer routine on an airplane would wear some of the distinctive clothing of his religion.
But anyway, I never saw an Orthodox Jew or a Muslim until I went to college. For lots of people their existence is only the subject of rumors.
I've never seen either in real life. Plenty on TV though.
I don't think I've ever seen an Orthodox Jewish prayer on TV. I know nothing about what they do. I'm familiar with the Muslim "ablution followed by kneeling on prayer rug while facing Mecca" concept, although I know that not all Muslims do the same thing, and if I saw this apparently terrifying Jewish prayer I might assume it was some odd Muslim procedure unless I recognized the guy's clothing.
Well, I've seen the whole nodding head while muttering thing. With the shawl, and the yarmulka, and, sometimes, the phylactery, etc.
One recent time, which sort of freaked me out, was during the recent conflict in Lebanon, which showed two guys in a tank getting all geared up and praying. There just seemed something really unsettling about praying inside a tank and the close conflation of religious observance and imminent violence . I know it's not at all uncommon for religious people of all faiths to pray before battle, but there was something particularly pointed about the imagery.
There just seemed something really unsettling about praying inside a tank and the close conflation of religious observance and imminent violence .
Everyone knows the proper way to prepare for battle is to break out the woad.
hasidic jews are weird.
(i'm surprised they don't exclusively fly their own, secret JewAir, anyway. Must have been a mechanical problem)
fuck Air Canada Jazz.
That is all I have to say.
i'm surprised they don't exclusively fly their own, secret JewAir
It's a cruel god indeed that gives his chosen people horns instead of wings.
(i'm surprised they don't exclusively fly their own, secret JewAir, anyway. Must have been a mechanical problem)
WTF could this possibly mean?
19- Jews are good with money, but they're poor mechanics.
Why is it called Air Canada Jazz?
Actually, I can guess: the budget airline with the hip edgy name and attitude. Like Ted Airlines. Is that still around?
Deliberately inflammatory question: how much of this incident is attributable to racism, and how much is attributable to another very white (and very Canadian) cultural value, to wit, overvaluing "not making other people feel uncomfortable by acting different"?
24: I'm going with good old-fashioned racism. Which also is a very Canadian cultural value.
19. I was implying that teh Jew was flying commercial because his usual JewAir flight was grounded by mechanical problems.
19. I was implying that teh Jew was flying commercial because his usual JewAir flight was grounded by mechanical problems.
Perhaps just to correct my ignorance, but why the hell would this not be considered a civil rights violation? They're refusing him service because they don't like his manner of religious expression.
Well, it's Canada and not the US, so the civil rights laws may differ in that respect.
But more to the point, they "asked" him to leave. So, you know, it's all voluntary.
It's Canada -- I'm not sure what the rules are there. But even in the US, that wouldn't be much of a problem -- you couldn't refuse him service for being a Jew, but you certainly could if his behavior gave you a non-pretextual reason (and I don't think this was a pretext for anti-Semitism, just straight stupidness.)
Mother of Christ, this shit is getting bad. I don't understand why the response is "hey, please leave the plane" instead of "hey, other passengers, there is no reason to be alarmed. Please shut the fuck up."
I was thinking about the way in which we want to avoid being uncomfortable by keeping different people out of sight, earlier this evening. I was at the grocery store, and the cashier, well, I'm not sure how to describe it, except his eyes were weird and he moved strangely and he was kind of drooly. And I found myself thinking "Geez, can't they put this guy somewhere else?" And then I wanted to kick myself.
He probably had cerebral palsy? Which I have always thought must totally suck to have, b/c it's physically disabling but not at all mentally disabling, and people who have it have to deal with being treated as if they're mentally disabled constantly, which would drive me crazy.
So kudos for wanting to kick yourself :)
What's really scary, apparently, is if you drop your Ipod in the plane's toilet, and it turns out you're traveling to meet someone you met playing World of Warcraft.
I don't understand why the response is "hey, please leave the plane" instead of "hey, other passengers, there is no reason to be alarmed. Please shut the fuck up."
In Air Canada's case, pressure from the American side of things may well be part of the equation. I notice the flight was bound from Montreal to New York.
Oh, bah. God knows that America is responsible for plenty of its own shit, but Canada can just suck this one up.
Actually, it was "sucking up" that I had precisely in mind.
Today I am irritated at Canada and will not accept Canadian excuses that Americans are to blame for their nonsense.
Oh, nobody but Canada (and Air Canada particularly) can be to blame for the incident. However, it's a consistent dynamic of Canadian history -- and I'm being only slightly tongue-in-cheek in saying this -- that we have a tendency to imitate bad examples from south of the border long after Americans have realized, "hey, this is fucked up," and started trying to fix it. This process is hardly America's fault (except, I suppose, inasmuch as it furnishes the bad examples -- but if those didn't exist I'm sure we'd just import some from Britain instead).
In case no one noticed, the plane anecdote I linked to was also about Canadian reaction.
On the other hand, I figure we owe them a few.
On the other hand, ya gotta give Canada credit: its roads are remarkably free of goats.
Why yes, I've been up all night. Why do you ask?