Re: Homeland Nostalgiary

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Homelad? Is that what they called you there?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:46 PM
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Oops.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:48 PM
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For some reason, I just assumed that Americans wouldn't be allowed to take pictures in Iran. A couple of those shots look infrastructure-y.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:50 PM
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I thought you were being clever. Since you shared the lamb-killing story from when you were a lad, and everything.

You know what strikes me about these photos? Besides how gorgeous the landscape is, I mean? How boringly, wonderfully normal infrastructure is. There is a streetlight, just like every other streetlight. People have the same problems and come up with pretty much the same solutions.

I dunno, just seems nice somehow, after all that philosophizing about innate moral whatevers.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:53 PM
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Oops.

Revisionist!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:55 PM
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Nice pics!

I soo want to go to Iran some day. I almost began taking steps toward a visit a couple years ago, but I got sidetracked by my deteriorating marriage.


Posted by: dagger aleph | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:56 PM
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I still prefer to refer to Iran as the Persian Empire.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 4:57 PM
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assumed that Americans wouldn't be allowed to take pictures in Iran

No idea if they care. If you were taking pictures of government buildings, maybe. And anyway, it's not like I look American.

Nice pics!

Thanks.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:00 PM
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Very cool pictures. I don't know why but pictures like "this is a house where I used to live" or "this is the place where I used to play" elicit much more (wistfulness? nostalgia-by-proxy?) from me than pictures of people from when they were a little kid.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:09 PM
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So you're really a Lur, right? What's your opinion on Rumsfeld's proposals for Lur autonomy.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:18 PM
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When you went back to visit, how long had you been away?

Man, I've got such a fascination with Iran. It's the only place outside the former Soviet Union that really intrigues the hell out of me. And I've always liked Iranians ever since Sarmad in the 4th grade was the only cute and popular boy to be nice to/notice me.


Posted by: susan | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:23 PM
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it's not like I look American.

I'm a little surprised. I am usually told that "over there" folk can distinguish their American cousins by sight, from things like the way they walk and the clothes they wear. But, then, those cousins were probably exposed to the Family Circus.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:24 PM
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But, then, those cousins were probably exposed to the Family Circus.

I didn't know the Foley thing had an international dimension.


Posted by: standpipe b | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:28 PM
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"over there" folk can distinguish their American cousins by sight

Well yeah, they can; it was your plain "American" that threw me. Anyway, no one cared (and several of those pictures were taken from moving cars).


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:42 PM
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how long had you been away?

24 years, if I'm counting correctly. It was my one trip back since I left as a kid.

So you're really a Lur, right?

I really am, on both sides; most of my family still speaks Luri, rather than Farsi, when they get together.

Rumsfeld's proposals for Lur autonomy

Seriously??


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:44 PM
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24 years, if I'm counting correctly. It was my one trip back since I left as a kid.

Incredible. I can't imagine what it must be like to see your childhood home after that kind of temporal and cultural distance. (I assume there wasn't some write-up of it that I missed, seeing how this was in the lonely Before Unfogged era.)


Posted by: susan | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 5:49 PM
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I can't imagine what it must be like to see your childhood home after that kind of temporal and cultural distance.

I started to write it up at the time, but then decided to let it simmer. It was all pretty overwhelming, since I was going back not just as a kid they'd known, but, for my dad's side of the family, as the only link to their favorite and long dead sibling. Add to that the fact that I went back when I did because one of my dad's sisters was dying, and...you can imagine.

On the happier side, what I tell everyone about that trip, and the thing that struck me as most amazing, was that the people on my dad's side, with whom I didn't grow up and hadn't seen since I was five, were just like me in ways that the relatives I did grow up with aren't. I mean, certainly in terms of our interests and such, but also down to the knowing sidelong glances, and how long they could stand silence without becoming uncomfortable--it kept blowing our minds over and over. Practically strangers, but those are my people.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:03 PM
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You can be a general in the Free Lur Army, the entering wedge for Iranian liberation. They've already got a maildrop / fax / email address / website in Maryland.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:08 PM
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This is scary:

Lur is a name given to two distinct types of wind musical instrument. The more recent type is made of wood and was in use in Scandinavia during the Middle Ages. The older type, named after the more recent type, is made of bronze, dates to the Bronze Age and was often found in pairs, deposited in bogs, mainly in Denmark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lur


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:12 PM
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Damn, well, when it gets done simmering (four years and counting?), let us in on it. Like Becks, I get the wistfulness-by-proxy too.


Posted by: susan | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:20 PM
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I wanted to make a joke about the Futurama character from Omicron Persei, but I see his name is spelled "Lrrr" instead. Darn.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:21 PM
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What Ogged should look like


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:24 PM
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What Emerson does look like.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:46 PM
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Jeebus. Jeff Goldblum in gigantic fez.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:48 PM
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That sounds about right.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 6:49 PM
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Ogged, if, on your next trip to DC, you don't turn this tale of wist into at least one tryst, I'll be sorely disappointed in you.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:04 PM
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Or at the very least, an erotically-charged game of whist.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:07 PM
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e.g.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:09 PM
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23 is Kurt Vonnegut, I think, in native costume.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:09 PM
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it's not like I look American.

Oh?

Also, some of those pics look to me kinda like Arizona, sans cacti. City, city, city, nothing!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:16 PM
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I had the same thought, that many of the pictures are eerily similar to the American southwest.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:20 PM
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This one, for instance, looks a lot like Albuquerque.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:22 PM
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Conclusion: Iran is as fake as the lunar landing.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:24 PM
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Let's nuke the Universal Pictures tour.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:26 PM
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Alternate conclusion: places without mountains suck.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:28 PM
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Ogged, if you get one of those hats you can go around photographing freely, preparatory to liberation. They'd never suspect a Lur in a hat.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:32 PM
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A rack for a hat for a Lur.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:36 PM
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You didn't say you had a picture of a diversion dam. I thought they were going to be boring pictures of some beautiful place.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 7:54 PM
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Is that the one with the turtles? I was going to put a comment on that one saying, "I know it looks like there's nothing to see here, but...."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:20 PM
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I'm with Becks--the "this is my house" kind of picture really gets to me. I also like that you write descriptions of the pictures. I should do more of that on my Flickr.

These made me excited for my upcoming trip to Egypt, in March. It's only been two years since I was last there, but every time I go back I feel like I'm more ready to understand it.

Very well done, ogged.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:37 PM
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Yes, that one. What do you mean, nothing to see?

There's those dual undershot gates that somehow also look like flashboards, and unusual concrete forms that I can only guess are trash racks, because there is no evident flow, so they probably aren't for energy dissipation. Are those pump facilities in the back right? 'Cause the rice field is higher than the water level, so I don't understand how that is working. It is plausible that we're looking at the ds side, but I don't get that either. If it is a canal, it is freakin' huge. Maybe it is a sump for drainage flows? They wouldn't have that weed mat if they cut back their fertilizer use on the rice.

Besides all that, why is it so big? For flashy surge flows in the spring, when the rice floods up? It looks like a new facility, no water stains in the concrete to tell me how tight they keep their water levels.

That is a picture of beauty and mystery. The turtles are the least of it.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:42 PM
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if, on your next trip to DC, you don't turn this tale of wist into at least one tryst

To be arranged, of course, at Tryst.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:48 PM
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Hey, I went to Tryst!


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:49 PM
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Thanks, leblanc.

You'll love this, Megan. This place is a ways outside of town, and I was there only because my cousin, who's an engineer, had worked on it and wanted me to see it. I think he explained it all to me, but I have no idea what it was about.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:51 PM
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Blah blah blah water blah blah very difficult concrete work something something irrigate blah HEY! Are those turtles?!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:55 PM
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Blah blah blah water blah blah very difficult concrete work something something irrigate blah HEY! Are those turtles?

It's like you were there.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 8:58 PM
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43: Cool, it's just a few blocks from where I live. Comfy couches there.

Those pictures of the desert are amazing, ogged. I've never actually been to any places like that, not even in the U.S., though I've wanted to for a long time.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 9:03 PM
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Oddly enough, the desert pictures remind me of my my hometown, Yakima, WA. I moved there when I was 10 years old, went away after high school, but I've never forgotten the elemental starkness of the high, arid landscape. And I love the thought of Iran and Yakima sharing a common feel.


Posted by: fnook | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 9:36 PM
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One of the cool things about Iran is the diversity of climates and landscapes. The north is basically rain forest.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 9:48 PM
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For those who like desert scenery, I just uploaded some pictures of Albuquerque. They're of a golf course, but it's a pretty deserty golf course.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 9:52 PM
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49: Oh, man, that is a beautiful picture.

Desert to rain forest. No wonder you like the pacific U.S.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 10:23 PM
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Dude, I used to spend every morning at Tryst - the bagels are good.

I might actually respect M. Leblanc now.


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 11:02 PM
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You said you'd respect me in the morning.

Shows how much you can trust people you meet at Unfogged rendezvouses.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 11:04 PM
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So you're saying I shouldn't have given Becks my car keys and a bottle of scotch? Suddenly it all makes sense!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 11:14 PM
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I live in Phoenix, and am perpetually envious of everyone that lives in Albuquerque. I'd move there in a heartbeat if I could figure out how to make it work with my professional situation.


Posted by: Tarrou | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 11:23 PM
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It's a nice place.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-06 11:49 PM
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[tramadol spam removed due to Emerson's suspicions]


Posted by: tramadol | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 12:31 AM
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I know I'm uncivil, but I have my suspicions about Tramadol.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 5:32 AM
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Hey ogged, is that photo of what you called a river by your old house actually a qanat? (I'm, er, not a water engineer, but those things fascinate me.)


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 2:43 PM
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I have no idea, JM. As far as I know, it was uncovered everywhere, which would indicate that it's not, right? Uh, I'm also not a water engineer.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 3:03 PM
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That rainforest picture is ridiculously pretty.

Maybe I'll get organized and scan some Samoa pictures in. I haven't looked at them in a decade.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 3:07 PM
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That would be cool. Anyone care to speculate on this story?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 3:08 PM
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That would be cool refers to LB's Samoa idea, in the sense that I'd be interested.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 3:09 PM
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As far as I know, it was uncovered everywhere, which would indicate that it's not, right?

Yeah, I think that's right. I don't know what the term for "completely paved and managed urban river that is no longer potable" is, though I suspect it might be some subspecies of qanat.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 11- 1-06 3:15 PM
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The north is basically rain forest.

Damned if that doesn't look just like the North Georgia mountains. Only prettier.


Posted by: Paul | Link to this comment | 11- 2-06 7:15 AM
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And with Muslim trees.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 2-06 7:25 AM
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Iran borders on South Georgia, of course.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 2-06 7:29 AM
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66: And Shi'ite rednecks.


Posted by: Paul | Link to this comment | 11- 2-06 7:36 AM
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