I totally love Pammy. I don't think she needs anyone's pity.
I don't think she needs anyone's pity
If you prick her, does she not bleed?
Nice try, Ogged. I remain Pam-neutral.
It's not widely known that Pam learned her New Age philosophy from her Finnish grandfather
Juho Hyytiäinen, alias "Herman Anderson".
I'm stunned. The shame of divorce would keep me married for longer than this, even if I'd married Kid Rock.
Pam clearly has some appealing traits: her animal rights work is nice (although not rhetorically or philosophically sophisticated) and she has an pleasing white trash hedonism about her.
She makes some strange choices in men, though.
I met a guy who dated her in highschool (pre surgery). The sad thing was that he seemed to get a lot of self worth from that
an pleasing
Laying on the book-learnin' a little thick, aincha Rob?
from that
From what? She seems pretty sweet, even now, and old interviews reveal to have been sweet and not at all dumb, back in the day. Clearly, however, we ought not let our decadent moral relativism blind us to the fact that she's kinda screwed up.
He's just trying to make up for not having dated Pammy.
9: oh, from having dated someone famous before they were famous. It seems an odd thing to be particularly proud about.
Next to Anna Nicole Smith, Pammy seems downright normal.
Oh, sorry, I misread as "she seemed to get...." Fame is a strange thing; I can imagine that it would pretty hard not to tell people that you dated Pam Anderson, back in the day, but there's a fine line between interesting and pathetic.
I get some small self worth from having seen Nirvana play (twice!) before they were famous. The Pam thing works the same way, only better, because it has sex in it.
old interviews reveal to have been sweet and not at all dumb, back in the day.
Oh, please. There's nothing bad about her, but must we pretend that there's something good about her just because she cups out at a DD? This is the flip-side of the "liberal guy" issue you raised re Kotsko and the anti-choice rally. Why can't she just be physically attractive and not evil?
why is everyone calling her "pammy"? Are y'all related?
17: for the same reason we feel obligated to have an opinion about her in the first place.
cups out at a DD?
probably a LLL on B's scale.
If she and Rock want to get married again--what would that be, the third time for them?--I would think that the minister or judge or whoever would have the responsibility of asking them to sit down and really think about it this time.
It would be pretty awesome if the minister comes forward to say that he had his fingers crossed, and they can skip all the legal proceedings.
13: yeah. carrying photos around 10 years later is on the pathetic side
not that I actually saw a photo, for that matter
There is no good reason to have an opinion about Pammy at all, it is just fun. Also, there is no good reason to call her Pammy, it is just fun.
Also, notice that you can't actually talk this way in public about anyone but celebrities. I have a colleague named Pamela. I really couldn't run around the university calling her "Pammy" and saying she is sweet but crazy. Since I can't do this with the Pamela I know (or any of the other Pamelas I have known in the past, for that matter) I do it to Pammy.
carrying photos around 10 years later
Indeed.
Divorce without kids is kind of no big deal.
16: You asked why liberal guys seem to get some moral pleasure out of finding less conventionally attractive women to be more attractive than standard attractive women. Your bit about "not at all dumb" Anderson seems to me to be a species of the reverse: liberal guys see an attractive woman and find hidden depths to justify their attraction. I'm not an Anderson scholar, but she seems no sillier today than she was in the past. And that's fine.
She may be a DD now that she's had the implants removed, for all I know.
29: Please, Tim. She's on record giving a good chunk of money to charity, including college funds for her nieces and nephews set up; she seems to take both her image and her fame with a big chunk of salt; and she does come across as being genuinely a nice person. She's hardly your average Hollywood bimbo.
29: Whoa, I don't think she has "hidden depths" (I've read her blog), I was just noting that she's not all that dumb for someone who basically plays a bimbo in real life. And anyway, I was responding to something I misread, so I disclaim any connection to reality for comment 9.
She's hardly your average Hollywood bimbo.
Who is your average Hollywood bimbo, B?
Yes, B is my average Hollywood bimbo.
34: Jessica Simpson? Or any of a long list of jiggly movie actresses whose names neither I nor anyone else can be bothered to remember.
Jessica Simpson, Paris Hilton, et al. are more stick figure-y than jiggly. Perhaps one reason Pammy is more appealing is that she goes for the more traditional, voluptuous look.
The point is that Jessica S. seems to have no redeeming characteristics other than her purported girl-next-door looks.
Paris Hilton isn't your average Hollywood Bimbo either, though in her case it's a compliment to the bimbos to say that.
Be nice to the poor woman. Losing a husband is one thing, but she also recently lost her chihuahua.
(On the other hand, losing one pet is understandable; losing two looks like carelessness.)
Jessica Simpson is voluptuous. She was turned down by the Christian labels back when she was a teenager for being too ample-bosomed.
Jessica Simpson is voluptuous.
Really B, try to keep up. We're expected to attend to every detail of your bosom, it's hardly too much to ask for you to pay attention to someone else's every now and again.
losing one pet is understandable; losing two looks like carelessness
Or it's willful. I wouldn't be too surprised if Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and Pam Anderson all revealed, around say 2030, that they had a million dollar bet about who could do the craziest stuff before being burned as a witch.
42 - My money is on Anna Nicole Smith, and I'll give you odds, too.
41: Huh? I made no comment one way or t'other about Jessica S's boobs.
I am wearing a brand-new bra today in a 30E, though, and it's fabulous. So there.
40: Big boobs aren't a sign of election any more? I must be behind the times...
41: I was the one who mistook J. Simpson's bra size. My excuse is that I was distracted by Bitch's.
The question is, what's Ogged's excuse for mistaking you for me?
A sign of election? Yeah, I wouldn't have thought they would have minded the cleavage. I get my news from VH1 though, so it's airtight reporting.
49: Maybe it was a casualty of the Tammy Faye Baker fallout.
paris hilton I really don't understand. From what little I've seen, she has absolutely no redeeming features, yet people obsess over her? wtf?
46 - I don't have any sense that ANS is evil, but I think she is naturally and reflexively capable of levels of craziness that most celebrities can only aspire to.
Agreed. Not evil; really pathetic and fucked-up, instead.
I used to love Anna Nicole Smith's reality show. Her lawyer-dude is pretty likeable too.
Shall we start the countdown for the "Katie Holmes wakes up one day and wonders YTF she married someone who would gladly sacrifice her child to Xenu" divorce proceedings?
but I think she is naturally and reflexively capable of levels of craziness that most celebrities can only aspire to.
Not sure how "natural" it is. Offhand I can't think of a single time I've ever seen her on camera that I wasn't pretty sure she was drunk and/or high as a kite.
57: staying continually messed up isn't for the weak of heart
Jessica Simpson is too famous to be your "average Hollywood bimbo". Plus she is a recording artist.
The AHB might be Mischa Barton, or from the other end of the spectrum, Erika Eleniak.
Mischa Barton is a far cry from "jiggly", though.
59: What makes you think a "grown" man who jumps on couches [and tried desperately to upstage a little kid in WotW] wouldn't sacrifice the offspring of his latest wombslave to the bad guy?
You're old school, Ned.
Heh. I couldn't remember who that was at first, but then IMDB reminded me of that stellar performance in Under Siege.
I'm only half-ashamed that I remember Erika Eleniak from Charles in Charge.
Paris Hilton has probably had a publicist since she was born. PR and distribution are everything.
From time to time I imagine a whole chain of Hiltons, including the poor cousins Omaha Hilton and Gdansk Hilton.
I stayed in a Hilton in Chicago. It wasn't really anything fancy. Had a nice color scheme and Crabtree & Evelyn shampoo.
What bothers me about Paris Hilton is that she was born rich enough to choose her famous life, whereas the other ladies in question in this thread worked hard for their right to be ridiculous.
I do like Pam. She's campy, whereas Anna Nicole is just farcical.
There's a pathos about Anna Nicole that draws me in.
Isn't the basic story with Paris that after that sex tape was released all over the place, as it were, she just decided "why the fuck not"?
Omaha Hilton and Gdansk Hilton got me laughing out loud.
Isn't the basic story with Paris that after that sex tape was released all over the place, as it were, she just decided "why the fuck not"?
I'm pretty sure that was her attitude well before the sex tape came out.
I remember someone saying that she liked Paris Latsis because he really liked to spend money. I will make no sexist remarks about the girly reptile brain of a billionairess who gets off on having someone spend money on her.
Now I'm thinking of the Latsis poor cousins: Ljubljana Latsis, Skopje Latsis....
Ljubljana Latsis! Skopje Latsis! This are so funny to me.
Ljubljana Latsis, Skopje Latsis....
Huh?
OK, I get it now. Slow on the uptake.
69: Sure, I can understand why *she* does it (and predates any tape). I can't understand why anyone pays attention. With every possible advantage, that's all you end up with? Is it just worship of money by proxy?
We can't help but pay attention because she's shoved in front of our faces all the time.
It's not like the public is clamoring for Paris-news.
Sure enough. Though I love my celebrity news sites, I often wish they'd do stories on other people. But the Paris stuff is just so easy and plentiful.
A visiting alien could be forgiven for thinking that there are only four celebrities on our planet: Jessica Simpson, Paris Hilton, Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie.
78: really? I don't see much of her, but I don't consume much in the way of mainstream media. But seems she's always in the newsrack when I'm buying groceries and *somebody* is buying that tripe. Occasionally she does something that bubbles through my media filters, but it is invariable inane. Is JE right, is it just the effect of publicity money? People seem to idolize her. wtf? I mean, I can see wanting her money/upbringing. But wanting to be her? I don't get it.
53, 54: Didn't she just shop pictures of her dead kid? And fake marry someone so she could prevent the real father from seeking custody of her new kid? That's not pathetic; it's wrong.
No wonder nobody trusts us to fight the terrorists.
People seem to idolize her
That's not my impression at all.
People seem to idolize her.
Who? I blame B.
83: I'm happy (really!) to be wrong about that. It may depend on the people, of course... and it's not like I have a decent sample.
85... erm and I certainly should have said `some people seem to idolize her'. It's not a generally held belief. I just have trouble seeing how anyone could get there.
You forgot Poland Lindsay Lohan, da.
I think I've heard some Paris idolization, for "she does what she wants" reasons. Most people, of course, hold her in contempt.
Didn't she just shop pictures of her dead kid? And fake marry someone so she could prevent the real father from seeking custody of her new kid?
You just insist on shattering my illusions, don't you, SCMT? First Borat, now Anna Nicole.
Celebrities are fairly generic throwaways, and Paris wanted to be a celebrity.
"I can buy and sell you" -- these are very meaningful words.
People seem to idolize her.
That's not my impression at all.
Click the "browse" button on myspace sometime, da. It's a wasteland in there.
89: Oh, I can see worshiping the money. But the person? She's like a walking, talking lower bound on what you can do with nearly unlimited potential.
I just can't believe the link in 91 is real.
You probably didn't think of yourself as over-optimistic.
92: I really think that people are more servile than they were in my youth. To my knowledge no one I knew gre up thinking that the key to happiness and success was sucking up to rich people or famous people, but now almost everyone believes that. I blame Timothy Leary and Stewart Brand.
That guy in 91 is taking the piss, right?
92: I really think that people are more servile than they were in my youth
Ave Caesar
No bitterness: our ancestors did it.
They were only ignorant and hopeful, they wanted freedom but wealth too.
Their children will learn to hope for a Caesar.
Or rather--for we are not aquiline Romans but soft mixed colonists--
Some kindly Sicilian tyrant who'll keep
Poverty and Carthage off until the Romans arrive,
We are easy to manage, a gregarious people,
Full of sentiment, clever at mechanics, and we love our luxuries.
some Paris idolization, for "she does what she wants" reasons
Told you it was B's fault.
"Over-optimistic" is the last attribute anyone would ascribe to me. But holy fuck. What's to like about her? Plus she has hair like a Fraggle.
92: depressing isn't it.
when I say I can see worshiping the money, I mean I see how growing up in this society could lead to worshiping the abstract idea of being that rich. This is also depressing.
I know his name's pronounced "Barkley", ogged, but it's spelled "Berkeley".
From the link in x#91: I also owe it to Paris for giving me the strength to overcome a situation in my life, I am bisexual.
So sad, but that explains it. Same thing happened with Madonna (though that's a bit more justifiable). We fucked the same-sex folk over pretty good.
I would have thought that some people enjoyed holding her in contempt--see how tacky rich people are? I'm secretly sooo much better than she is!, and some people react, contrarian-wise, and find some campy, self-constructed qualities in her to admire. I also would have thought that there would be some degree of pop-irony to the second position, even though it wouldn't survive scrutiny.
However, I have not yet clicked on the link in 91.
105: By the way, ogged, when are you going give it up for the 83" of obsidian nightmare that is Kwame Brown. 13 pts., 9 rebounds. The big train's rolling, and it doesn't stop till June.
Has everyone seen this, by the way? So sad.
The center picture in 107 features some very strange lingerie.
25 -- I have an aunt named Pamela and she is sweet but crazy; I do not call her "Pammy" though. "Pam", yes.
13 pts., 9 rebounds
Isn't his season line 9 pts. and 8 rebounds?
Her face weirded me out, as if it were almost human. Then I saw this, and was enlightened. Never, ever have plastic surgery.
Odds are she'll gradually turn into a black man who has appropriate sexual contact with women her own age.
110: I was thinking the same thing. Talk about not flattering. Weird.
112: You cannot hurt me, ogged. He anchors the defense. Big train, baby! Night train! To South Carolina!
As long as he drops 30 on the Wizards, I'll be happy.
Never, ever have plastic surgery
Such incredibly good advice.
116: Weird that we were both inspired to post that link at almost precisely the same time.
It's true, Tim's found me out. I am the founder of the Paris Hilton fan club.
Also, John, give me a break. Jackie Kennedy wasn't idolized? Please.
Um, Jackie Kennedy was not exactly Paris Hilton. (Unless you would like to make that case that she was, I mean).
But I don't believe I ever used to know people who worshiped wealth the way they do now, or would abase themself before celebrity the way they do now. Maybe I've come down in the world.
No, but she was rich and idolized for that fact.
Admittedly she dressed a lot better, though.
By the way, I don't really understand the title of this post.
I think it has something to do with the Borat movie.
It's "with the in" that I don't get."
That movie was fucking hilarious, by the way. The guy who plays Azaman deserves some kind of award for "Ballsiest Performance of the Year."
He pretended to have a thing for Pamela Anderson. Now she's divorced, so he's got a chance at her.
126: I think it's that Borat can swoop in now that Pammy's available.
Yeah, I understand that, but do people say, "with the in"? If they do, I am clearly not competent in my own native language.
And there shouldn't be those extra quotes in my 126.
Chance that Pam's divorce was timed with the Borat release? Negligible but non-zero.
People say "I've got an in" at such-and-such...
On the subject of bitches, I would like to announce that I just wrote down in a document that I'm supposed to be sending to a professor tomorrow, "God, Justice Black is such a little bitch."
133: "I've got an in" I understand. "With the in"....?
You should probably just write up a new secret crush note. Law professors are sticklers for relevance.
You have to remember, ogged is an immigrant.
Who's got the in now? Borat. It's Borat with the in.
DA, Ogged is not a native speaker of English. His native language is Lur.
What's to like about her? Plus she has hair like a Fraggle.
My goofball teenage sister has a magazine with Paris Hilton on the cover. To me the fascination with her seems to be glamor and wealth. She is girlie, has a cute little dog, couture, and diamonds. The fact that her hair looks like that of those little trolls doesn't seem to bother them.
Because glamour and troll-hair go hand in hand.
I'm only half-ashamed that I remember Erika Eleniak from Charles in Charge.
Her first role was in E.T.; she was the girl that Elliot kisses.
Does the younger generation even know about the trolls?
Is "I've got an in" a derivative of "I've got the/an inside track"?
Christ, but these comments are moving quickly tonight.
I should say they are sticklers for relevance in notes from their students.
Her first role was in E.T.; she was the girl that Elliot kisses.
As ever, the hero. I did not know that.
145: My aunt has a collection of trolls at her DC apartment (I should have taken a picture of it). While we were there for Thanksgiving a cousin came by to visit and remarked that she found it odd that she had a collection of trolls.
141: Do you actually speak Luri or just Farsi?
141: Do you actually speak Luri or just Farsi?
My family are, in fact, Luri speakers (they also speak Farsi, obviously). I understand it, but don't speak it.
I don't think they like being called trolls, teo. And you should always ask before taking pictures.
They're not here, are they? And I would have asked before taking any pictures.
Isn't Luri a dialect of Arabic?
By the way, are you one of the "Lurs of Khava who are on the side of law and order for the time being", or are you of the Lurs of Kafrash who are "as cheerful a lot of villains as you could wish to meet"?
Isn't Luri a dialect of Arabic?
Nope.
Your second question totally belongs on Salon personals.
you should ask very clearly, because it will often be very noisy.
156, 157: Wow, the cross-linking is crazy tonight.
"In" this, "in" that. In, in, in.
Now there's a trip down memory lane. Salon was only just beginning to suck.
she was the girl that Elliot kisses.
Wow. That's interesting and troubling. Did you look that up, or did you just know that?
I knew that. I'm pretty sure I learned it from Playboy.
http://www.amazon.com/Valleys-Assassins-Persian-Library-Paperbacks/dp/product-description/0375757538
Apparently the Lur are also called "Assassins", due partly to their murderous ways and partly to their use of hashish. However, we should not be judgmental about the wog cultures.
Can you say "orientalism," John? And don't forget that I'm going to beat you up.
163: Even out of school, a commitment to scholarship tells. I salute you, sir!
You'll need to remember it, John, because the hashish has shot Ogged's memory.
164: That's the book I got the quotes from. Clearly I haven't read it, though, since I was under the impression that Luri was a dialect of Arabic.
I have a newfound respect for Ogged. Apparently when he's in his zone he's extremely dangerous.
Apparently when he's in his zone
Would that be the ozone?
Finding out that I'm a Lur seems to have made you unaccountably happy, John.
172: He's merely trying to inspire the Lur-kers to nut up already and comment.
I'm always happy to get a chance to use a niche stereotype. Sort of like seeing an rare bird.
Kotsko is unaccountably offended by being called a Slovak, too. Perhaps anti-PC has had its day.
I'm hardly offended. Lur on both sides, going back generations. I just didn't think that Fargo's Grizzly Adams had a lot of Lur stereotypes to work with.
How is Kotsko Slovak yet not a Catholic?
Just be glad you're not a Burushaski.
Kotsko claims to be Ukrainian, but only in name.
Steve at Language hat would be delighted to have a Lur on board, BTW. If you have any Lur lore to share he would be glad to have it.
I'm always happy to get a chance to use a niche stereotype. Sort of like seeing an rare bird.
That has to be one of the top five best things ever written on Unfogged.
I've said it before, but someone needs to collect Emerson's comments in pamphlet form.
On the 'said it before', again, the thing that always creeps me out about Paris Hilton is the quote from a (possibly now ex-) boyfriend about how what he liked about her was that she was 'sexy but not sexual'. Uugggggghhh..... My skin crawls at such a living, breathing specimen of how the patriarchy regards women's sexuality; for display, not for performance. *full body shiver* Ick.
Hey speaking of Catholicism -- I think everybody here might appreciate this passage -- it is one of my favorites so far from Against the Day.