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http://www.zarafina.com/


Posted by: None | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 10:49 PM
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http://www.silkroadtea.com/ in canada is pretty good. don't know if they ship elsewhere.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 10:51 PM
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FL, I asked this in the band name thread, but does the SEP have a preference for sorting articles by concept (concept might be a problematic category, but will serve for this distinction) rather than by person? At first I thought they just didn't like having articles about living persons, but it seems to be more thoroughgoing than that.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 10:59 PM
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This should do you.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:00 PM
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World Spice has excellent spices and I have heard very good things about their teas as well.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:00 PM
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Ogged, why won't you fight me?

W/D, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're talking about. They have a search function that can be useful, but other than that, I don't know what might do the trick. What're you looking for?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:02 PM
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This.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:04 PM
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Right, but what claims about Singer in particular? Someone wake up Helpy, since that would really maximize aggregate utility.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:06 PM
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Ogged, why won't you fight me?

Because there would be no way to tell who was losing.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:09 PM
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I was saying that there aren't many articles directly on philosopher x, but rather on topic A which philosophers x, y, and z all had views on. But looking again, this seems false for lots of x's, and perhaps my original view that there just aren't articles on philosopher x when philosopher x is living is the issue.

Oh, the example that sparked it is just that I've never actually read Singer, yet I've been taught that he holds a number of extremely controversial views (which as far as I know he really does hold) on animal rights, infanticide, beastiality, the strength of the obligation to redistribute, etc. and I'd feel more comfortable repeating the he holds those views if I could check somewhere reliable.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:12 PM
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Dear Ogged,

Dese nuts, yo' chin.

Best,

FL


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:13 PM
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Speaking as a working professional, WD, what you need to do is to make some shit up.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:14 PM
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I tricked the roommate into thinking I was smart and now feel obligated to live up to the expectation.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:16 PM
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Think of it this way: is the roommate likely to do independent research to fact-check what you say?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:19 PM
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Dude, just take yer basic utilitarianism with benthamite views about animals and fungibility.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:20 PM
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w/d, you snob, check out the external links at Wikipedia. A lot of his writings are online.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:22 PM
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Honestly, most of Singer that I've read can be derived at least in rough outline from a pretty simple theoretical apparatus. (Whether this is a bug or a feature is another issue.)


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:22 PM
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does anyone sell & ship fortnum & mason tea to the US?


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:23 PM
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The basic principle with interpreting Singer is that you take any commonsensical, hardy little principle ('Actions which do not harm others are permissible'), run it through the brain-in-the-vat-light-switch-trolley-world, end up with an absurd conclusion, and endorse it wholeheartedly.

The man himself, with his own FAQ.

On preview, "pretty simple theoretical apparatus" is about right. But my way is more colorful.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:24 PM
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14: No, but that just means I feel responsible if I cause him to believe false things. Also, this is a moot situation, he's gone to sleep.

15: I'm not that worried about it, it just seemed strange to me as an initial matter that there aren't articles about prominent living philosophers.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:25 PM
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Well wake him the fuck up, W/D.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:27 PM
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Wow, Singer has his own FAQ. I bet he could have used those pixels to feed starving people.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:33 PM
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By the by, people who have comedy central should watch the replay of the Colbert interview. The two of them play well off of each other, though the only views of Singer's under discussion are on vegetarianism (broadly taken).


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:34 PM
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Upton Tea got good marks from tea-drinking friends of mine. Plus, they put a little label on each tin about how it was packed just for *your name*. Isn't that precious?


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:38 PM
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amazon sells tea. convenient and good discounts to be found. Harney and Sons is nice.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:45 PM
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22. It's totally evil, but imagine you had a lot of money, and you offered to spend $5,000,000 on food and medicine for some poor country if Singer agreed to have his foot amputated.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:49 PM
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For that, I take the head. I am Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:53 PM
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Swordfight at the next meetup! Your head is mine.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-11-06 11:54 PM
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there can be only one, biyatch.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:01 AM
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There is indeed only one Bitch, Michael.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:04 AM
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Hallowed comment boxground, highlander!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:06 AM
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This has become nerd central. Help me.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:09 AM
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Help me.

Because you're relieved you're not alone?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:11 AM
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Right, I was utterly in the dark about the hipness quotient until just now.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:12 AM
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Lipton baby.


Posted by: joeo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:12 AM
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Although how legendary would I be if I ran into the APA with a sword yelling about Duncan MacLeod?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:14 AM
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I'll guess "moderately."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:18 AM
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And if Commander Data shot you with a phaser?! Dude!

Seriously, who would win?


Posted by: standpipe b | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:19 AM
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SB, that phaser doesn't cut off heads, right?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:20 AM
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Maybe all the cool people went to bed already, because they are (ironically) lame.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:21 AM
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Pros of impersonating Duncan Macleod at the APA:
Safe amongst nerds.
Would reduce the burden on FLU's search committee as candidate would shy away.
In the movies, declaring your immortality always gets you laid.

Cons of impersonating Duncan Macleod at the APA.
Come to think of it, you may have to prove your immortality, not just assert it, in order to get laid.
Possible embarassment if confronted with a newly emboldened Jedi contingent with lightsabres.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:23 AM
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We need utility functions!


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:25 AM
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SB, that phaser doesn't cut off heads, right?

Enough phaser shots, well aimed, might take off a head.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:30 AM
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Phasers on "Antoinette".


Posted by: standpipe b | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:42 AM
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Hold on, we're considering the actual Commander Data shooting Labs in a Highlander costume. That kind of lowers the bar.


Posted by: standpipe b | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:45 AM
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28, 29 apropos of absolutely nothing. random stuff from my head. I have no idea what the rest of you are talking about.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 12:52 AM
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Republicoftea dot com. A bit pretentious (though not for people who set their phasers on "Antoinette"), but tasty.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 2:13 AM
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yeah, upton.

BEst selection i've seen. Everything is explained well. They even send you a nice little catalogue with an article on some event in the history of tea. I get a box every six months.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 2:38 AM
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I bought harney&sons from a local store a few years ago. They have nice little pictures on teh front of their boxes, i still use them just becasue of that.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 2:39 AM
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upton doesn't have chai, as far as i remember though.

ITs a good excuse to start mixing your own.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 2:40 AM
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God its so lonely here at nite. Guess i should go to bed so i can exam-prep in the morning. nite all.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 2:41 AM
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18: Yes, Fortnum and Mason do, at least in theory. But they make you register (to keep the proles out), and a lot of stuff is out of stock.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 3:19 AM
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52: Sorry.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 3:21 AM
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If you search A White Bear's site for references to Scottish Breakfast Tea, you should come up with a couple of threads, and one of them will be the one where she mentions her source for said tea. I have not drunk it but she sure makes it sound tasty.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 4:19 AM
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I second the Upton Tea suggestion. They've got a huge selection of tea (overwhelming, actually) and are very reasonably priced. There are more teas than you'd be able to drink that are in the range of $4 - $8 per 125g. Of course, there are some rare or collectors' teas that cost around $20 per 20g, but it's pretty easy to stay away from that.

For some reason, many internet tea retailers charge a premium for tea. Upton Tea and SpecialTeas understand that tea is one of the most commonly drunk beverages and price it accordingly.

I buy from them all the time.


Posted by: Rich | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 4:31 AM
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Discovered that Twinings has a US retail web presence. The Darjeeling is nice, if fresh. Other teas tend to seem alike to me.


Posted by: Charlie Whitaker | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 4:36 AM
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There are also some really nice French teas. These are especially nice if you have interest in tea with fruit or other non-tea things in them -- so often this sort of thing is vile and Kool-Aid-ish, but it needn't be. Mariage Frères and Palais des Thés are both excellent, though not cheap.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:06 AM
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Follow-on to 54: Hmm, maybe not. The tea our favorite bear likes is Taylor's of Harrogate, but I am not seeing where she gets it... unless... Aha! In comments to this post, JL recommends britishtea.com as a source.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:11 AM
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I'm surprised at the level of tea snobbery here (I'm not using "snobbery" derogatorily, says the wine snob). I've never really given it very much thought.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:19 AM
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I'm with 59. I drink a fair amount of hot tea (w/ milk, of course), but I guess most of it is the regular Starbucks and Tazo stuff you find at cafes.

Anyone know of any good hot cocoa? I'm thinking of buying some as Christmas presents.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:26 AM
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59 -- a good word for "snobbery" in this sense that does not carry the same negative connotations, is "geekitude".


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:28 AM
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(says the beer geek.)


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:29 AM
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Call me a snob, but anyone using the word "geekitude", let alone describing it as a good word, gets a bunch of fives if I have anything to do with it.

I suppose somebody might care that the Fairtrade Labelling Organisation specifies a standard for tea produced with hired labour, but only for coffee if it is produced on small family farms. But if anyone does, I haven't met him.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:41 AM
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Fancy tea is a pleasantly affordable luxury.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:44 AM
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Familiarity breeds contempt? I lived in Harrogate for a few years, so tend to resist a product with Harrogate in the name. Honestly, I think tea tends to uniformity.


Posted by: Charlie Whitaker | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:45 AM
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Although I do like Rooibos tea.


Posted by: Charlie Whitaker | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:54 AM
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Might I jack this thread? I (proud parent of a daughter adopted from China) just got an email about the Chinese government's new restrictions on who may adopt. Most of the rules are pretty boilerplate but one interested me: potential adoptive parents must have BMI under 40. I know this means "fatties need not apply" (which seems a little odd but whatever) but I don't know what BMI means well enough to know what the cutoff is -- do you need to be trim and athletic, or just "not morbidly obese"?


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 6:59 AM
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Also: anyone have thoughts about this? It seems weirder the more I think about it.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:01 AM
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Obesity is a BMI of 30 or higher, so 40 would be quite obese.

You can get a rough estimation of your own BMI here.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:05 AM
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BMI over 40 is going to be huge by most standards. 25 or under is 'healthy'. There are lots of web calculators. 'Do my clothes fit?' is the best day to day metric I know of.

I don't know why the Chinese government would care about this, but it seems that most authorities like to have some sort of stick to beat people with. 'No apples to be taken through this airport' sort of thing. (In the meantime, mountains of old tires - and their complements of tiger mosquitos - are shipped between continents and bracken spores are carried up and down every hillside from here to Antananarivo in the soles of the white man's boots.)


Posted by: Charlie Whitaker | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:16 AM
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I'm a fan of Rishi Tea, though I've been getting their stuff from local stores, not online. The current organic fair-trade earl grey is really good - it's definitely putting me at risk of becoming a tea snob, my qualms about the overall effect of "fair trade" policies notwithstanding.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:26 AM
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Yeah, BMI of 40 is massive. At 5ft 10 you'd need to be nearly 300lbs.

The BMI, as has been discussed on here (often), isn't a good metric for people with a relatively large amount of muscle bulk -- many male athletes have a BMI that classifies them as obese -- but a BMI of 40 isn't really going to include anyone in that category.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:42 AM
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Thanks. So: do the obese make poor parents or something?


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:45 AM
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Someone that big is likely to have health issues. Plus find it difficult to play with the kids (actively). Plus children of obese people (even adoptive ones) are more liekly to be obese, rights? (Especially as this is often caused by poor dietary habits, which feed back into the first issue.)

So this doesn't seem irrational. Sure it's a bit heavyhanded, but there are all sorts of weird restrictions in intn'l adoption (like minimum income restrictions far above what anyone thinks necessary to successfully raise a child); this doesn't seem that out of place.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:48 AM
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(like minimum income restrictions far above what anyone thinks necessary to successfully raise a child)

Yeah -- the CCAA requires "net assets of more than $80,000" which seems like a lot.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:51 AM
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I expect it's mostly garden-variety discrimination, but the policy's probably there to ensure the adoptee ends up with someone in good health.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:52 AM
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Right. I was going to ask if they required other medical information or screenings. I suspect they do, and if things like, say, diabetes, would disqualify you, then BMI thing makes perfect sense.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:54 AM
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There are some health tests required, I forget whether diabetes is one of them. (And I don't know if the set resquired has changed with the new restrictions.)


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:58 AM
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more than $80,000" which seems like a lot.

Doesn't that pretty much just mean owning a (very small) house? Or is a house not considered an asset until it's paid off?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:04 AM
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That's basically what it means, yes. However much equity you have in a house is considered an asset.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:06 AM
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(But I think renters can be good parents too.)


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:06 AM
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I'm not sure how tight the correlation between extreme obesity and health is. Certainly, the research on obesity in general suggests that being a little overweight might actually be good for you, or that at least it's not a good general measure for fitness.

So it might just be a bad proxy for health, but such concerns are likely what's motivating it. With all the press about Americans eating themselves to death, there's probably significant pressure to ensure that the littlest citizens are sent somewhere healthy.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:09 AM
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However much equity you have in a house is considered an asset

That is to say: the assessed value of the house is an asset, the principal amount of the mortgage outstanding is a debit.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:09 AM
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Ah. I'm nowhere near 80K in assets.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:13 AM
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Anything having to do with immigration is pretty much insane when it comes to finances.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:14 AM
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84 -- well, don't bother trying to adopt a baby from China then.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:15 AM
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(They also have a limit on the number of children in the prospective parents' house, but I think you get under the bar -- it is no more than 5 children including the baby to be adopted.)


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:20 AM
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Other members of the top ten I have never heard of prior to viddying that list: #1, #2, #4, #5, #6.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:24 AM
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Wrong thread, yo.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:27 AM
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Oh yeah. Scuse me.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:35 AM
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How many [expletive]s want to [expletive] this [expletive]?

How many lemmings want to blow this hot dog stand?


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:40 AM
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Anyone know of any good hot cocoa? I'm thinking of buying some as Christmas presents.

This may be fancier than you're looking for, but I was very pleased with the Dagoba "Xocolatl "Hot Chocolate. It has a very nice spice blend.

Oddly, it's significantly cheaper in stores here than it is online, so you might want to check around.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:42 AM
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How many [expletive]s want to [expletive] this [expletive]?

I didn't even know that you could cock a cock, but I suppose, now that I think of it, that there's no reason you couldn't.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:55 AM
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82: As I understand it, it's one of those things where the extremes (under or overweight) are pretty well established to have negative health effect, but nobody is very clear on the middle range. I don't think a BMI of 40 is anyones idea of `a little overweight', though.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:03 AM
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When the [expletive] goes down and my [expletive] grows bigger...?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:04 AM
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re: 94

Yeah. There's some evidence, as Cala says, that mildly overweight is healthier than 'ideal' weight [on that scale] and quite a bit healthier than underweight.

I don't think anyone disputes that extreme obesity is correlated with increased mortality and morbidity.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:05 AM
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93 -- Yeah you have to cock your cock before you can fire it, unless you've got a semiautomatic.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:08 AM
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"before you fire it" s/b "before you pull the triggah".


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:09 AM
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60: Ghirardelli is good, especially the Mocha flavor. Godiva is a bit better if you like something very sweet milk chocolatey, but much more expensive & I actually prefer Ghirardelli. Anything that's made with a powder doesn't have exactly the right texture you want but they're still good (and using 2% milk instead of skim does wonders for the texture.)

I'm probably coming off as a real beverage snob here, but I don't know anything about wine and still have a real soft spot for cherry coke and orange soda.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:56 AM
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Whole milk's better yet. Also, grated chocolate, rather than cocoa powder, makes a lovely cup of hot chocolate (rather than hot cocoa, what a coincidence).


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 10:52 AM
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i usually use almond butter if i'm going to use any fat at all.

but then again i don't believe the "its healhty to be overweight" hype


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 4:56 PM
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i usually use almond butter

In your hot chocolate? That sounds really bad. But maybe you're right. Worth checking.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:44 PM
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I'm skinny, myself, so blah on you.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:49 PM
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She said, obnoxiously.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 7:50 PM
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Whole milk doesn't make you overweight.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:05 PM
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Whole milk is awesome. What my kids and I like isn't the pre made hot chocolate mix. In the baking aisle of the stores around here, Ghirardelli, next to their cannisters of the regular bitter baking cocoa, offers "Sweet Ground Chocolate."


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:12 PM
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Whole milk is awesome.

Yes, and the corollary: skim milk is nasty and quite possibly the work of the devil. Milk should not turn coffee gray.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:29 PM
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Word. Heavy cream in coffee is great, but man that stuff is high calorie. I compromise with half and half.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 8:43 PM
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Now hot chocolate made with heavy cream, that'd be some good stuff.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:01 PM
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I happened across this while looking for the lyrics to "My Wall", possibly some of the best metal lyrics ever. But the typo in the name of the third song (it's actually called "A Shaving of the Horn that Speared You") is perhaps even better.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:02 PM
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If you don't already put a tiny pinch of salt in your hot cocoa or hot chocolate, you should try it. I also like spicy variations with cayenne and cinnamon.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-12-06 9:08 PM
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I like englishteastore dot com myself. I'm not enough of a tea connoisseur/snob to know if it's truly superior to any other tea in particular, but it certainly tastes good to me, and the prices are good (about $3.50 for four ounces on many varieties).


Posted by: Slim and Slam | Link to this comment | 12-13-06 10:25 AM
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Someone may have mentioned it upthread, but Upton Tea Imports is really good.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 12-14-06 2:18 PM
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