um...
"let people see them"
but
"not make them public"
yup. that's going to be hard.
i guess maybe you could tell people to write to one of you by email, and give the applicants a password by return email if you think they deserve club membership, e.g. if you like their comments.
or better: if they were at the party themselves.
still better: if they are in some of the photos.
still better yet: if they are in photos that give them a lot to lose should they be made public.
There's the flickr group, but one must be a member of flickr for that. Though they do have free signups and I don't imagine that signing up for flickr would be any less laborious than anything I, at least, am likely to come up with in the next few minutes.
You could make a scrapbook and show it to everyone next year. I'm sure modern technology has a way of doing that.
You could scatter leaflets from the observation deck of the Empire State Building.
2: If one makes a picture "private" and then shares it with the unfogged flickr group, can people who aren't one's "contacts" view the photo?
How many pictures? I hate to get all primitive, but would it be impractical to just email them to any known quantity who's interested?
I saw a "603" at the end of one of Chopper's comments.
6 - But there are going to be multiple people who want to post photos.
You'll need to suck it up and create a Flickr account if you want to see any photos. Anyone who wants to upload a photo with Unfoggeders should list photos as "Private" (e.g., friends only can see) and submit it like that to the Unfogged group, where members can see the photo no matter the privacy setting (and where outsiders cannot see at all).
Flickr users do need to be listed as my contact in order to be in the group.
I can write individual blogposts describing in great detail each of the photos I took. Chopper may take a bit longer.
First person with photos sends out an email cc:d to everyone who wants them, subsequent people reply all, attaching their photos? It's not elegant, but it's easy.
11- The flickr thing seems to have a bit more control. Who is to say where that email will get forwarded?
11: Maybe instead of attaching photos, attach the username and password of a Flickr account so that everyone can add them to the same bunch of photos but nobody else knows the username or password.
There's always the private Unfogged Facebook group.
Who is to say where that email will get forwarded?
That's a feature, not a bug -- the mystique of the chain-letter-with-megabyte-attachments.
Also, could one of the attendees remind me who the fellow from the Cato Institute who didn't know squat about Spencer and Darwin? I wanted to include an account of our interaction, but without a name, everyone would assume I spanked a straw man.
I thought everyone knew about Spencer.
Remember the "no pictures" policy at the early meetups? What happened to that?
I said attendees, teo. Now, will one of the attendees tell me about Spencer*?
*Or the actual name, whatever.
Blogs change. Policies change. Buck destroys the universe.
OK, which of us jokers grabbed (and whether by omission or comission, then caused to be terminated) the bridgeplate-at-yahoo account? "Us", because it might have been a forgetful me. If it was me, I'm going to kick my ass.
Send them all to Wonkette and ask her to be discreet.
But has anyone ever asked her to be discreet? (I suppose you want me to call Lassie a boy, too.)
Okay, I've added some of my (tagged-private) photos to the unfogged group. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I've violated someone's confidentiality.
I have a few more photos uploaded, but you have to make me a contact to see 'em. Sorry, but I don't know how else to keep things under control.
Hey 'smasher, how do we get listed as your contact? E-mail you?
I think you mean that you have to make the prospective seer a contact. So get crackin' and add me.
My advice is to not post any photos of the tenureless Labs until he gives the ok.
you have to make the prospective seer a contact
Two would be better if he really wants to be a seer.
29: w-lfs-n is, of course, correct and has been deemed worthy.
30: [backtracking...]
Despite having been deemed worthy, I can view no more photos now than I could before!
30: I doubt anyone can find a shot without him in it. My memory of the evening is Labs, Labs, Labs.
Hey ben, you think he'd hit West Hollywood with me?
33: SEK et. al., go ahead do what 'smasher said in 34 except also do it here.
Just "texted" Labs, who is out but will check in later to give ok/not ok.
35: really? What a let down. I'm a lousy contact to boot. Maybe I have to click the thing where I make the phtoos available to "friends" and mark you as a "friend." This seems odd, if logical.
Stanley is just uploading all of these photos so you all can admire how hott his girlfriend is.
39: Okay. For now I've deleted the funniest and most-suggestive ones featuring FL.
All: you may want to hold off on the (ridiculous) barrage of contact-adding. It appears you won't be able to see the extra photos for now, since I don't have them viewable to "friends." They're just marked as private.
Just blur Labs face, or else if his face is naturally blurry, sharpen it.
43: I spent three minutes figuring out how to do that, and now I can't even see any pictures? I want to speak to your manager.
Are the pictures by Stanley that I can see at the Unfogged group page on Flicker (or could a half hour ago) not the pictures that Stanley is talking about here?
44: Labs' face definitely seemed blurrier as the night went on. But then so did everybody else's.
47: I shared only some of the ones I took. The others are being burned out in the backyard, along with sleeping bags we used.
Even the photos marked "private" are viewable when added to the Unfogged pool. However, they can only be seen within the pool (i.e., by group members), and won't show up in your photostream.
Could people not post pics of me until I have a look, which I won't be able to do for a day or three, since I'm on the road? I'm sorry to be a pain about this but I can't take care of this right now & I'd like to look before the things are posted. Many thanks.
How does one reach the Unfogged pool? (Also, why not just slap Buck's smiling face on Labs' body and post them?)
You need to correspond with 'Smasher to find out about that.
(The first thing, that is, not the second.)
16: SEK, The guy from the Cato Institute was some asshole named Will Wilkinson. You were, I take it, the fellow who admitted to not being able to "hang" in a real philosophical conversation, right? I still want to read your dissertation!
Anyway, my position, I believe, was that, my having read choice bits of three Spencer books, a Spencer scholar such as yourself is bound to know way more about his biological theory, etc., than me, and that I found Spencer, despite his nonsense biology, a rich source of ideas that dovetail in interesting ways with current naturalized theories of moral psychology and cultural evolution.
Do blog your account of the discussion. I'm really interested in learning more about Spencer and swinging our dicks at each other.
55: Awesomeness. Assume the position, Will...and stay there for a couple of days, as I've got a wicked backlog of MLA posts to slap up before I can delve into Spencer.
51: You're invisible once again. Sorry for any brief indiscretion.
Labs, you cock tease, you're in every picture I took.
I wish someone had told me that Labs and not Labs's tenure committee would be making the decision before I sent all those pics/videos to them.
So, Smasher -- you're widening your circle of targets?
oh yeah, where's that video of labs punching spencer? i would like to see that.
Also, one unfortunate thing about mixing Unfogged people with other D.C. people -- we've been getting lectures for the last two days on how it was mean to make it a stated mission of the party to cockblock Ben w-lfs-n. They just don't understand.
59: Spencer favored the established postulate, but I'm up for anything.
64: Chopper and I were cock-enabling young w-lfs-n. Blame his success on us.
Arsmsmasher, are you still drunk or is that your new spelling?
Trying to get me to go to a gay bar doesn't count, SEK.
68: I can't think of a better way to enable cocks, ben.
64—they should've been lecturing you before the party.
70 - I think even you would be offended by their reasoning: "Why would you do that?? He seems like a perfectly nice guy."
This impromptu quiz has been brought to you by Paul Grice.
Maker of Uncle Ben's Instant Grice?
I find that one grouse usually does me.
I find that one grouse usually does me.
Assuming no cock blocking, that is.
To be honest, I was never clear on why everyone was so willing to indulge Tim's jealousy. He knows I'll always come back to him.
Shouldn't 78 be the quantity of maxim?
wtf why is it so cheap?
The maxim of quality.
I bet a grouse could beat a cock, actually—wikipedia claims they're "heavily built".
I'm so tempted to add a hyphen between "heavily" and "built".
"Adding a hyphen" -- is that what the kids are calling it, these days?
Shouldn't 78 be the quantity of maxim?
For $19.96? You drive a hard bargain.
I dunno—what if old man Wales finds out?
Huh. You know, I think I finally have sobered up.
what if old man Wales finds out?
I wouldn't worry about him, he hasn't had any bite ever since you cracked the mystery of Gravestead Manor.
me too. being drunk for 72 hours, it's a hard job, but somebody has to do it.
it's a hard job
Doesn't DC have a whole volunteer army of people who stay drunk pretty much all the time? I guess that's the difference between a job and a career.
I, also, have finally sobered up. This was the worst possible day for our coffee maker to decide to die.
You might be thinking of Boston, Apo.
Doesn't DC have a whole volunteer army of people who stay drunk pretty much all the time?
Bastards are undercutting the market.
This was the worst possible day for our coffee maker to decide to die
It's been said before, but this is a reminder of usefulness of a french press.
Any of you coffee thralls tried this?
The one time I tried it, it got stuck in a tree.
I know we're not talking sports here, but am I hearing correctly, and Sausagely just won the game for Oklahoma?
But was it any good?
It was very nearly the ultimate coffee.
He tied it. That interception was the keystone.
"won" s/b "helped to win."
Holy shit.
It's been said before, but this is a reminder of usefulness of a french press.
And we even have one now! Someone should have fired it up today.
I request permisssion to revise and extend. WTF!
I know we're not talking sports here, but am I hearing correctly, and Sausagely just won the game for Oklahoma?
You heard wrong! Boise just scored on a lateral! Oh my word, that was amazing! Tie game!
Someone should have fired it up today
Alas, "someone" was drunk. Next time: Irish Coffee?
This game even has my mom in the room, glued to the TV.
This has been a fantastic game.
Much needed after the suckfest that was the Rose Bowl.
There were some good games earlier in the day though. Penn State? The first half of the Wisconsin game? Ga. Tech?
Anyway, yeah, college-overtime rules: hard to explain, but fun.
116. Far better than NFL's rules.
Oklahoma is my enemy, so I'm rooting for the Broncos. Parts of Cremaster 1 were filmed at the Boise State football field, also.
I was not awake for much of today.
Zabransky was out there for two, def. Now we just need the commentators to start openly musing what "the bloggers" will think about this game...
I cannot believe they just beat Oklahoma on the fucking Statue of Liberty play.
Two, four, six-eight-ten, OU women look like men!
Zabransky looks like Apo, but with short hair and a head-band.
Have I mentioned I love the college OT rules?
Also, this post-game interview with Ian Johnson is amazing. And then he proposed!?!
Now they ruin it with a marriage proposal in the post-game.
Does teo have some unexplained connection to Idaho? Or, um, bucking things?
I thought it was hilarious. Drunk frat guys behind him, throwing up der hornen, and then that weird proposal. Awesome.
The proposal seemed like the extra bit of sugar that pushed it over the top. Tastes differ.
Ah, now for the real trophy: a bag of Tostitos.
145: No, it was just a cool way to win the game.
I am a Denver Broncos fan, though. So yeah.
151-->148. I can't endorse your Denver quirks. Sorry.
I totally missed the proposal because I was taking the garbage down to the curb.
md, a cut of the BCS bowl profits can buy many bags of Tostitos.
152: Family tradition; they were the first pro team in the West.
156: yeah, well after the Bears' performance last night, I might be looking for a new team. The Broncos are blue and orange, too, right? Hmm...
Ah, I remember when the winner of the Boston Marathon got a laurel wreath and a bowl of bean soup. These new fangled sports with all their money. And, hey, you kids get offa my yard.
You are apparently unaware of the Broncos' performance last night.
159: Maybe I'll switch to futból, just to piss off ogged.
161: except with the right accent; fuck; I'm going to bed.
Let's try to keep it to one semicolon per sentence, bub.
Am I going to have to start hating you more than I hate w-lfs-n? I think I am.
169: that reminds me of a time an ex- texted me, "UR dead 2 me."
Had she spelled it "ded," it would've been perfect.
teo, ur ded 2 me.
"UR dead 2 me."
M I starting 2 smell?
I hate you all, BSU fans. I'm from Oklahoma, and went to Michigan. Tonight was not a good night.
Anyone want to come over & punch me in the chest? 24 hours without nicotine puts me in a mood to get beaten up.
I haven't had a cigarette since UnfoggeDCon.
Also, y'all need one of these for the next Meat-Up.
It is much easier to continue my plan of not smoking back here in Chicago without all you devils tempting me with your nicotine sins.
will someone remind me how to join the unfogged flickr pool again? email me okthxbye.
Chopper's pictures are very good. Also, he made me laugh with the Gayattolah. I can't place the other face he sued. Looked like someone I ought to recognize.
The last one is Berube. Who was the middle one?
That's M/lls? I would trust that guy with my finances, but the M/lls I know can't be trusted with punctuation.
And Apo, you're such a slut.
Dudes, why have there been only, like, three comments on this site today? Is everyone still on vacation?
Sir Kraab is the most likable person in the Unfogged universe, and I've met nearly everyone. M/M/ must be loaded or something.
I'm on vacation, although my vacation today consists of reviewing a brief. I'm not sure what to say about it beyond "Hmm. I see that the arguments I worked on last month have all been edited out. I wouldn't have done that myself, but given that someone senior to me did it, I'm not going to argue about it."
They're both Berube (just different shots).
I've been at work, leblanc. You know, doing work, per usual.
M/M/ must be loaded or something.
Bakers get all the action.
I was sleeping in the Bed of Angels. And hell yeah, I'm still on vacation.
Bakers know how to put one in the oven.
189: "loaded" s/b "hung like a horse"
And Apo, you're such a slut.
Was this not obvious to you long ago?
Is everyone still on vacation?
At work, although this will be my first full day of work in the office in a couple of weeks. If anyone ever tells you that the shingles do not hurt like a motherfucker and take a long time to get over, do not believe them. (Well, LizardBreath has told me this, and I believe her as to her own experience, but only because she also once told me that labor and delivering her two children was no big deal--she is just made of sterner stuff than regular people).
My dad once got shingles in his eye.
On his honeymoon.
THat is to say, ouch, and hope you're feeling better, Idealist.
199: That's what rough sex on the roof will get you.
199 is the royal flush of pity poker. Ouch!
198: Oh, poor Ideal. I've heard shingles are a bitch and a half usually -- I just happened to have a painless case.
I got the chickenpox late in grade school, 8th grade or so, and had pox on my eyes and my tongue. Way, way worse, though, was this personal ads service that the bimonthly junior high school newspaper offered, and the excruciatingly mortifying line that my best friend submitted during the week I got back ("Kr/ston Capps is the chicken pox king"). I mean my god I was embarrassed.
That was when I got it too, Smasher, and it was a godawful case. Everywhere you can possibly imagine having pox, and then some. Now they *vaccinate* kids against it, which hardly seems fair.
I actually worry as to whether it's a good idea, in a vague, uneducated way. I seem to recall reading that having chickenpox gives you lifelong immunity, but that the vaccination wears off after twenty years or so, leaving me wondering if I've set Sally and Newt up for a really unpleasant bout of pox in their mid twenties. Hopefully I've misunderstood something.
LB, that happened to me a few years ago—I got vaccinated early and then picked up a nasty case when I was 23. Worse things have happened.
Apo and I got it late, LB, and look at how we turned out.
I forget whether my kids got vaccinated or not—kind of embarrassing. I can remember mulling this immunity tradeoff over. I've got a pock on my face about 1/4" in diameter from chickenpox when I was 18 mos. old.
I forget whether my kids got vaccinated or not--kind of embarrassing.
I think general use of the vaccine is pretty recent--the last ten years of so, maybe. I know my eldest (31) never got it and I do not think my 13 year old got vaccinated until his younger brother (now 11) did when he was a toddler.
We don't get the vax for it here (I don't even know whether you can buy it somewhere if you want it - I assume so though), and a lot of people can't believe that you do elsewhere. Most people still have the chicken pox party mentality here (i.e. make sure your kid gets it). Two of my friends' children ended up in hospital seriously ill from chicken pox though, so I'm happy for mine to stay uninfected for the time being,
I think routine chickenpox vaccination is pretty recent -- I was surprised that someone w-lfs-n's age was vaccinated, because I thought it was pretty new for Sally. (Who may have had chicken pox before she was vaccinated. She had something at thirteen months, while we were on vacation, that an Italian pediatrician told us was chickenpox. But the blood test her doc back in NY gave her before kindergarten said she hadn't had it. So she's vaccinated against chickenpox, and is naturally immune to the Mystery Florentine Pox.)
That's ringing a bell; mine are 16 and 14, so it may not have been indicated for them, although it was "coming."
Perhaps I should reveal that what I said above was a total fabrication.
215: "a total fabrication" s/b "referring to anal warts"
According to family lore I had a wicked bad case of chicken pox when I was in kindergarten, but I don't at all remember it.
Shingles, though? Ouch. Had it six years ago. Yeeks. That's some bad stuff. Are you over it already, Idealist, or are comforting vibes still timely?
The undead and aliens among us are almost immune to shingles and related diseases.
I enjoyed chicken pox because I stayed home from school and liked scratching the bumps. My son got chickenpox at age 20+ and was lucky not to have permanent problems. He looked lie the Night of the Living Dead for 2-3 weeks.
I actually worry as to whether it's a good idea, in a vague, uneducated way. I seem to recall reading that having chickenpox gives you lifelong immunity, but that the vaccination wears off after twenty years or so, leaving me wondering if I've set Sally and Newt up for a really unpleasant bout of pox in their mid twenties. Hopefully I've misunderstood something.
I don't think it's a good idea. As a well-known goat molester, I've learned that your immunity to VZV (either from chickenpox or the vaccination) gets gradually weaker over time, which is what leads to the virus reemerging as shingles 20 to 50 years after your initial bout of chicken pox. Meanwhile, if you get chicken pox as an adult, it is much more debilitating than it is for a child. We are not sure how long the vaccine's protection lasts, or how truly universal it will be; everyone agrees that the average age of chickenpox sufferers will go up under the vaccine regimen, and we hope that the decreased number of total cases (good) is not outweighed by the increased number of adult cases (bad) that will result from unvaccinated children being less likely to be infected by other children.
The good part is that the vaccine is also useful in boosting the immunity of people who've had chicken pox so they are less likely to get shingles.
You can find more information if you search for "varicella" and "zoster" because those are the technical words for "chicken pox" and "shingles".
Are you over it already, Idealist, or are comforting vibes still timely?
I am over the worst of it, thanks. Apparently, it takes a month or more to completely get over it (I guess you should tell me), but it's not too bad now. It helped a great deal that my job and the timing meant that I could work at home at my own pace for most of the past couple of weeks.
unvaccinated children being less likely to be infected by other children.
This should say "less likely to be infected during childhood".
I am many things, but expert is not one of them. I had it for a good little while (a week or so), not including the few days it took me to decide it was worthy of a doctor's attentions. Luckily they gave me a bunch of pain killers and a fancy ointment and between those I led a more or less normal work-life while they ran their course.
Interesting: I was told by the doctor that they are a result of the virus, eternally resident in spinal fluid, escaping into nearby nerves and causing a fresh outbreak, and that this is why they appeared in a tree-branch pattern across my back. Again, though, I am but the lowest of rubes. For all I know, she later slapped a receptionist a hearty high-five over having won the "what can we make some poor sucker believe today" pool.
Yay for you being over the worst of it! I hope you have a speedy return to total normalcy. Holidays are simply no time to be sick, much less wracked with exhausting pain.
Ideal you're right, it took me about 5-6 weeks to be totally better from the shingles (meaning the scary blisters were gone), although the excruciating pain was pretty much gone after 2 weeks or just a little over that. Of course at the time I thought I was dying, so that made it much, much scarier. And now, all the more funny.
Hmm, my link didn't seem to work. Lemme try that again: Here
The virus isn't really resident in spinal fluid, it's resident in the nerves themselves, in one particular ganglion - it's resident, but not proliferating. At some point after your immunity to the virus becomes weaker, the virus becomes able to actually replicate, and at that point it moves through the nerves, back to the surface of the skin, and replicates in the skin cells. This produces a rash which lasts less than a week, before your immunity quickly puts it down again. However, it's followed by a period of pain; nobody really knows why this pain occurs, since the virus is no longer replicating and it is not clear how, or if, the nerves are actually damaged. Behold.
That's unusual Sommer, usually the blisters clear up earlier than the pain does. You got off easy.
Huh, that's not in fact what my doctor told me at the time ... she said the water blisters would stick around for a long time after the pain finally went away. I also, like Chopper's dad, had them very close to my eye, and was lucky not to go blind. So maybe I was just lucky all around.
I was told by the doctor that they are a result of the virus, eternally resident in spinal fluid, escaping into nearby nerves and causing a fresh outbreak
Right; a friend (aged 44) a few years ago had an outbreak of the varicella-zoster virus, latent in all of us who've had chickenpox.
It can affect any set of nerves, and in my friend's case, affected his facial nerves -- Bell's Palsy -- with ultimately permanent, but partial, facial paralysis. Lopsided smile, now, though he's still a charmer. He'd developed something called Ramsay-Hunt's syndrome.
To wit:
It is a common complication of shingles. Shingles is an infection caused by the varicella-zoster virus, which is the virus that causes chickenpox. Shingles occurs in people who have had chickenpox and represents a reactivation of the dormant varicella-zoster virus. Ramsay Hunt syndrome II is an acquired paralysis of the face (Bells Palsy) specifically caused by a varicella-zoster virus (VSV) infection of the facial nerve.
In other words, I would vote in favor of a chickenpox vaccination.
Reading about the excrutiating pain, eye infections and paralysis others have suffered above, I am once again reminded that I am mostly a pretty lucky fellow.
Bells Palsy
This is what causes the droop on one side of Nader's face, isn't it?
I think Bell's Palsy is a general term for a partial facial paralysis, regardless of cause; I know you can get it from Lyme disease.
50 years after you've had chickenpox the virus reemerges as shingles? And this can be prevented with a chickenpox vaccination? I know what I'm asking my doctor for next month. Once you've had shingles can the vaccine prevent a recurrence?
I think Bell's Palsy is a general term for a partial facial paralysis, regardless of cause; I know you can get it from Lyme disease.
Yeah. Another acquaintance had temporary Bell's Palsy from Lyme disease. The freakin' thing seems to be more common than you'd know.
The chickenpox related thing was (just?) Bell's Palsy as a symptom of the other thing, Ramsay Hunt syndrome, zoster virus, etc.
Of course, a "syndrome" is a western medical name for a set of symptoms that's otherwise uncategorized.
Our daughter came down with shingles shortly after we adopted her (as a 1-year-old), which her pediatrician seemed to indicate (unless I misunderstood) meant that she had had chicken pox as an infant. The shingles did not seem to bother her at all.
So, like, can I be a member of the flickr pool? Do I get to be one of the cool kids at last?
(No. This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions.)
(When I was in grade school, one of the cool kids' favorite things to do was to come up to me, the least popular person in existence, and tell me that they had a new club, and they wanted me to be in it. Really? said credulous little me. Really, they said. Actually, we want you to be President. Really? said credulous little me. At which point they would all burst out laughing at the very idea.
I fell for it every time.)
I think you have to email 'Smasher -- specialcapps at gmail -- to be added to the group. And I'm even more cranky about having missed the party now; I would have liked very much to meet you.
You might think calling bullshit would be an effective counter, but no. They'd keep insisting, anyway, as contempt doesn't have to be subtle.
No! Hilzoy, I just invited you to my photo stream! Before I saw your comment, even! You should be able to see at least a few UnfoggeDCon photos before having to email 'Smasher.
Howdy, Hilzoy. You'll need a Flickr account yourself. Set up one of those and shoot me a like, okay?
I never had chicken pox as a child. My sister had a very mild case. When I was 27 or so, I decided that I finally needed to get teh vaccine, because getting chciken pox at that age woudl be too painful.
Hilzoy!
Jackmormon -- yes, I saaw them, and was about to email you saying thanks. But I came back here first to say that my email to smasher was, alas, returned for some reason ;(
But Jackmormon's pictures are great.
Que? Try again? Send to the email hyperlinked to my name.
244: Your website seems to be down. I just got a 404.
Oh, good. I'm glad you got them Hiloy. (The missing consonant key is not working right now.)
189: Sir Kraab is the most likable person in the Unfogged universe
I've no idea what I've done to deserve this, except maybe being too overwhelmed at work to comment much, but thanks, man.
Armsmasher is the most sexiest person in the Unfogged universe.
I just uploaded a buncha non-party DC pics to my regular Flickr account, whether or not anyone gives a biscuit.
Krap. 249 was me. Damn remember info!
Yo, Chopper, if you want to upload the censored Abu Labs photos under your own account, that might be easiest.
Damn, Chopper. You've got some great photos!
It's nice being nice to the nice.
256--JM, I'm not going to be near a computer with access to those images (I'm behind a webmail blocking firewall at work) until maybe Sunday. If you haven't gotten them up by then, I'll do so.
