Re: Thank Goodness The Media Is In The Tank For The Democrats.

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Same as it ever was: Democrats are all wimpy fags. Except the women, who are hairy-legged, unfeminine lesbians.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:15 PM
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And the blacks, of course, whose sexuality is twice as threatening.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:16 PM
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But threatening in that unmasculine kind of way -- just not Alpha, IYKWIM.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:18 PM
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I can't see Lizza writing something like this in TNR. He must know he's full of shit, and not care.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:20 PM
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Yeah, I saw that piece and thought, "I am not going to read that, as it will merely raise my blood pressure in horrible ways." Looks like I was right. The Times has a rich and obnoxious history with this kind of process-analysis piece. Bleah.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:22 PM
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Lapp needs to shut up.

I also like Schumer and Emanuel being described as "throwbacks to the era when tough-guy Democrats were urban ethnic politicians, like Dan Rostenkowski and Tip O'Neill." Ryan, sweetheart, when people talk about "tough guy" urban ethnics they don't mean Harvard educated Jews from Park Slope. Or Sarah Lawrence-educated Jews from Lincoln Park.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:23 PM
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I agree with 4. This article was intensely disappointing. The whole time I was thinking "This is nothing new, you Maureen Dowd impersonator." "This is nothing new, except that these guys didn't emerge from the labor union movement." "This is nothing new, and you must realize it because of that mention of Dan Rostenkowski on the first page." "This is nothing new; did you miss the fact that Pelosi is the FIRST woman leader of the Dems, not the twenty-eighth?"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:23 PM
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I can imagine thinking, in New York or Washington, that such an article would be read as merely amusing, with a glancing almost-truth here or there that would make the jaded readers whom journalists encounter on the cocktail circuit smirk a bit. If I thought that was the only consequence of writing such an article, I would be very wrong, of course. (Maureen Dowd, your conscience is calling on line three, please.)


Posted by: Vorticists | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:25 PM
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As I said elsewhere, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, and Golda Meir should have taught those people something. But they didn't. As Somerby says, they write to scripts, and they'll keep writing to the same script as long as they can get away with it.

The media now lags behind popular opinion on many topics, but they still project their own preconceptions onto The American People, while at the same time claiming to be objective and maybe even liberal themselves, and also subtly hinting that while they disagree with The American People (who are idiots), they really can't disagree with them because that would be elitist.

A tangled mess of corruption and lies.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:31 PM
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This was just such a mess and a mishmash. I'm ready to believe that there was a Democratic strategy to recruit tough-seeming people to run. That doesn't actually have anything to do with their gender, but Lizza takes the easy way out. Maybe it would be worth mentioning that part of Hilary's problem is that she comes across as too Alpha, not too soft. And then he just cuts corners: Emanuel, that tough former ballet dancer. And Jim Webb, "picking a fight" with the President, when that's not how it happened. Do you fucking job, Lizza, and it's not just to get words onto the page.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:45 PM
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"can't disagree with them out loud, because that would be elitist".


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:54 PM
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About that "tough former ballet dancer," Wikipedia notes:

At this point of his political career he was known for his intensity. Notably, he reportedly told British Prime Minister Tony Blair, "This is important. Don't fuck it up," prior to Blair appearing in public with Clinton for the first time after the Lewinsky scandal emerged. Emanuel is said to have "mailed a rotting fish to a former coworker after the two parted ways." On the night after the Clinton election, "Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting 'Dead!...Dead!...Dead!' and plunging the knife into the table after every name."
On the other hand, he was offered a scholarship to Joffrey and refused it to go Sarah Lawrence, where he could get a B.A. while participating in one of the best dance departments in the country.


Posted by: Vorticists | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:58 PM
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Stupid postdata.

Idiotic patriarchal cultural stereotypes mischaracterize men, too.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 4:59 PM
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What I mean is, it's meaningless to say that someone is "macho" because he's a former Navy guy, and to also say, "tough, like Emanuel." It's a dumb and lazy way of writing that makes toughness seem both male and stupid, when it's not either.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:01 PM
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To put it another way: I'm not saying that Emanuel isn't tough, but that Lizza just elides the parts of Emanuel's story that don't fit his stupid story.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:02 PM
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"So let them come, the gay incendiaries with charred fingers! Here we are! Here we are! Come on! Set fire to the library shelves! Turn aside the canals to flood the museums. . . . Take up your pickaxes, your axes and hammers, and wreck, wreck the venerable cities, pitilessly!"

Take that, Vorticists!


Posted by: Filippo Tommaso Marinetti | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:08 PM
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Fair enough.

Now that I've actually read the article, I'd have to say that it's the most backhandedly metrosexual piece I've read in a long while. It should've been accompanied by a quiz: "Are You A Macho Dem Or A Sissy Dem? Ten Clues--And What You Can Do To Butch Up!"


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:09 PM
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Right.If you're going to write dumb articles based on dumb stereotpyes, at least have the grace to stick to the same stereotypes! It's so lazy that it's not even consistently stupid.

This reminds me of the David Brooks column where uses the fact that 94% of campaign donations from M.I.T. employees went to Democrats as evidence that "world people" are Democrats and "number people" are Republicans.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:11 PM
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In other news, I'm now confident that Matt Stoller is a douchebag.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:13 PM
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Now that you mention it, Marinetti, gay incendiaries probably have a great deal to do with this article.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:14 PM
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ogged, when I click that link, I get an empty Flickr page, no photo.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:20 PM
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19: Joe Trippi, however, is no hot chick.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:20 PM
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Indeed. Did you get the email I just sent you, apo?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:24 PM
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Does this work for you, JM?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:25 PM
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21:Kos, anyone? Just metaphorically a gay incendiary, of course.

I am, not terribly closely, watching the DLC/Emmanual/etc battle the netroots. I connect everything to the search for money, candidates and mostly, the fucking war. All utterances must be deconstructed and interpreted. There are people who want to bring the white South back into our party; that South that has mostly owned or blackmailed the Democrats for my entire lifetime there is now an opposing force.

The ME WAR isn't over;it has barely begun. Stoller/Markos/Bowers are incredible heros for offering an alternative party within the Party, and building a peace movement where it will count. At some point we will return to 1968, and this time the Yippies will win.

Marinetti is always appropriate. You just have to season him with Gramsci.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:27 PM
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bob mcmanusb is gradually transforming his name into a palindrome.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:30 PM
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24.--In the sense that now I can see the photo, yes. In other senses, no, not really.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:31 PM
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One step at a time.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:32 PM
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23: Yes, both.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:33 PM
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I need a lot of immediate feedback.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:36 PM
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26:I'll go back to Marinetti. I got all my typos preserved by Microsoft unto eternity. Those spam testing boxes? I get 25 suggested completions everytime I type "6z...."

Or maybe Heinrich Vogeler instead, since FTM went fascist.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 5:42 PM
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The Democratic Party, even the "netroots" are still way behind the man in the street. The feminist in the street, the populist, Cindy Sheehan disrupting Nancy's victory party. The country wants the war over and Bush stomped. The beltway knows Bush is going to double up, then double up again. Caught between, the Party is trying to calm the base (and Wall St) instead of storming the Bastille.

I am told:"The people don't want a Revolution" Bullshit. When you have a losing war at below 20% approval, you are already in a Revolution. The people may not even realize it yet, simply because they lack the artists, poets, and polemicists.

I am very optimistic. Pelosi is scrambling and scrabbling. It is out of control. I am having fun.


Posted by: Leon Trotsky | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:06 PM
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I get the varied flavors of douchebaggery at MyDD mixed up. Is Stoller the one who thinks that Rahm Emmanuel is an evil puppetmaster preventing anyone to the left of Calvin Coolidge from winning a Dem primary; the one who thinks that any candidate who doesn't make kissy-kissy noises about "netroots" is a fascist; or the astrologer?


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:31 PM
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I don't read MyDD, so I don't know. I'm just going by the picture.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:36 PM
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I'm a little surprised that nobody here has mentioned the hilarity that is the Jamil Hussein non-story. Advantage blogosphere!

Also, Ali Khamenei is still dead. Maybe.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:39 PM
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Khamenei has entered that peculiar limbo in which if you're a conservative, he's probably dead, and if you're a liberal, he's probably not.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:42 PM
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Like Castro.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:43 PM
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33: Yes, and he is correct on all counts. I am double Capricorn with Scorpio rising, not so incidentally.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:48 PM
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35: Oh, man, that poor guy. I only hope that he doesn't know he's in jail because a bunch of bored twerps decided to make him famous by kicking up a fuss over whether he existed. That'd have to be even slightly more awful than just being in an Iraqi jail.

I was thinking about posting something about it, but what? and why?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 6:57 PM
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Lizza = Snitch Bitch. It's personal between me and him. He cannot be trusted.


Posted by: Spackerman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:07 PM
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I totally believe it, Spackerman. This kind of article is something someone would crank out if they were only interested in getting the job done in a purely formal sense, without any underlying sense of pride or honor.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:20 PM
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Ogged, what breaks my heart is that Ryan is a great reporter. If he used his power in the service of something besides A Career, he could, and would, do great things.


Posted by: Spackerman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:24 PM
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Yeah, well, it's easy to be smart; much harder to be decent.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:26 PM
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Yeah, well, it's easy to be smart; much harder to be decent.

So o-earnest is back in style?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:28 PM
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Only if you're not a musician.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:29 PM
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44:Wooooo!

But I got Mavericks-Lakers, so gotta go.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:30 PM
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42: He has done great things, hasn't he? But yeah, I totally believe you. If you compare this to other stuff he's done, you don't feel he's really stupid or lazy, but indifferent to good journalism.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 7:59 PM
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I haven't followed him (the name is familiar, but I couldn't place anything else he's written). But this mess was silly and irritating.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:07 PM
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Weman in 4 was right, but it seems odd for someone to say that there's a step down from TNR. Depressing.

I think that even Devid Brooks got worse at the Times, because he was hired specifically as a conservative tool in order to appease the zombies and make sure that nothing got better when Safire left.

42: As I keep saying, it's a management problem. Lizza understands what the times wants. He looks at the successful careers and the unsuccessful careers, and it's clear to him which way to go.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:09 PM
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Also, he'll snitch on you. Snitch Bitch.


Posted by: Spackerman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:19 PM
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LB, you may have read the TNR articles that started making Allen's racism a liability. That was him.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:22 PM
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50: Is there a publicly known story you're talking about that I can catch up on, or is this private griping?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:24 PM
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51: Those? Damn. Those were good.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:24 PM
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Spackerman = George Allen?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:25 PM
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You could be Spackerman's macaca, Ogged!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:41 PM
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I think that means I'd have to follow him around, and I'm not willing to do that.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:42 PM
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Maybe you could just incessantly leave comments at his site instead.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 8:50 PM
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I think that means I'd have to follow him around, and I'm not willing to do that.

Why not? He's an entertaining guy.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:14 PM
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57: Wose new design is awesome, btw.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:18 PM
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57: Works for me, although I am unread. (:

77-70 Mavs, start of 4th. Weep, Beltway. Go West Young'uns.


Posted by: bob mcmanusb | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:21 PM
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Spackerman, if you are trying to comment under the radar, as it were, you're going to have to stop posting your url under your pseudonym.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:24 PM
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Of course, that url seems now to lead to an ad-space with malicious pop-ups, so maybe you're being sneakier than I gave you credit for.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:26 PM
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Since his site isn't actually hosted by blgospot.com, it shouldn't matter.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:30 PM
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Or he misspelled his site's address.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 9:30 PM
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Or.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01- 7-07 10:43 PM
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Ali Khamenei = Schroedinger's Ayatollah.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 2:09 AM
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Khamenei, Khomenei, tomato, tomahto. Is he one guy, or are they two guys? Is he or are they still alive? I gotta know before I can blame things on him or them.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 5:59 AM
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Hey, Brad Delong linked this at Shrillblog. No one's ever called me shrill before; I'm so pleased.

(I'd say something Chuthulu-esque here, but I can't really spell any of it properly.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:36 AM
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Chuthulu...can't really spell any of it

Awesnome.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:41 AM
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(all of the first line of 69(!) should be italicized.


Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:42 AM
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Posted by: Clownæsthesiologist | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:42 AM
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I like how DeLong has now done a cut-and-paste of Unfogged comments into the body of the post. Congrats, LB, on your shrillness!


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 8:47 AM
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The point this thread makes can be summarized easily by pointing out that Lizza's Maureendowdisms were probably written simultaneously with this article that makes the complete opposite inferences.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 8-07 9:23 AM
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Corollary to the original post: Everything that happens, everything that can happen, is good for George W. Bush and/or the Republicans generally. Seriously. Just ask the Liberal Media.


Posted by: Lex | Link to this comment | 01-10-07 4:44 AM
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