This is all of course tied up with the whole 'grower v. shower' thing.
Alas, my experience is quite limited, but at least I've slept with one of each. (Okay, maybe two of each, depending on whether the Clinton definition of "sex" is in play or not.)
In any case, I saw no validation for the stereotype in either size or prowess. Consider that a data point, I guess.
In any case, I have no plans to read the book after seeing that excerpt. Must we capitalize Penis? And Sexual Prowess? Must WE?
Can you add one more "in any case" to that last post? I like to have a trifecta.
The author's writing is chock full of non-standard capitalization. Also, the good/well thing, but I didn't want to seem like I was being pedantic in order to compensate for something or other.
Isn't this a context thing? I want it known that I'm fabulous in bed...in circles where that's appropriate. I do not want this presumed in the workplace, where it's wholly irrelevant.
(Every time I think I'm being smart on this site, I later decide I was stating the obvious, so take me with a grain of salt, please.)
I do not want this presumed in the workplace
This is where you and I differ, apparently.
I like to have a trifecta.
I think you'll have to have (at least Clintonian) sex with one more of each, then. And for a perfect trifecta, you probably need to line up 3 Mexicans as well.
I like to have a trifecta.
All the better for a carefully controlled set of experiments to investigate this book's premise.
Also, I agree with #5. If I was an unbelievably hot woman who was a great dancer, I wouldn't want that to make my coworkers mutter to each other about how great I must be in the sack. It's semi-demeaning.
The reason it's pernicious when applied to blacks is that their full humanity has been questioned in the past, and in that context, their sexual prowess could be taken as one more sign of their "animal" nature. If the same stereotype applied to whites, it wouldn't have the same meaning, or be pernicious. (Of course, when you're on the outs with society, any distinguishing trait is spun as a flaw.) This is also why some people object to the "blacks are better athletes" stereotype--because it can make them seem more "animal" and because it makes it easy to say "blacks have better bodies, whites have better minds."
I didn't want to seem like I was being pedantic
RACIST.
Shit. I'm sick, cut me some slack, dawg.
Seriously though, between 9 (which logic I was already familiar with, thanks) and the "articulate" flap, I'm coming to believe that in the 21st century, compliments can only apply non-ironically to white people.
Compliments can apply non-ironically only to individual people. Compliments given to a group are ripe for irony.
13: I think that was true, but it is changing with the arrival of Generation Awesome. Or at least we worry about stereotypes slightly less. Cf. A show like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.
Compliments can apply non-ironically only to individual people.
Except Barack Obama. But maybe that's because he contains legions, some of whom might not be articulate.
I already hate Generation Awesome.
9/13: Don't most of our arguments about race/gender boil down to that? If one knows the logic of the argument, why ask the question?
why ask the question?
For comedic effect.
I agree that the reason it's insulting is the implication is that the only thing they're good at is fucking and sports.
Anyway, I have done extensive field research which has brought me to the conclusion that black men have bigger dicks, are better at "humping" (who calls its humping anymore?), and are generally more pleasing to look at naked. In answer to the question, black men hump better than white men. I mean, once you go black you never go back.
I hope this doesn't make me racist.
"who calls its humping anymore?"
An ex of mine. It was rather distracting.
I always thought "humping" referred to sexlike thrusting movements that did NOT constitute actual sex. Usually used either
A) to describe the interaction of a dog/cat with somebody's leg or a water heater or a sofa
B) to describe clothed foreplay activities
I hope this doesn't make me racist.
Don't worry. Gay people can't be racist.
It is called 'humping' here so that the book's title can pun on 'White Men Can't Jump.'
The presence of the opposite stereotype with respect to, specifically, Jewish and Asian men, does seem to indicate that it's a product of the whole mind/body racial stereotype dichotomy complex.
24- of course, but "Hump" is still a bad choice. "White Men Can't Bump" would have been much better.
25- Jews have small cocks? I didn't know that. I learn something new here every day.
Really, we should be looking at population growth figures, in percentages, as proxies for fuck-ability.
27: Maybe only if you go to preppy enough schools.
Now that I think of it, the Jewish counterpart stereotype may just be an attempt on the part of WASPs to salvage their reputation vis-a-vis black men, by foisting off the negative stereotype onto a white subgroup.
You'd have to control for the sluttiness of the women.
Some women's sluttiness just can't be controlled, Ogged.
30: I'm guessing the Iranian growth rate is pretty low.
So I'm not sure that sluttiness is as big a growth factor as you think.
29 - What about Yaphet Kotto and Walter Mosley, trapped between two stereotypes?
30: I'm guessing the Iranian growth rate is pretty low.
It's hard to snark successfully when you're totally ignorant, I know. Iran's population was booming, until they began a program to slow it down.
33: Clearly at that point you get to have your pick of stereotypes.
"I control the media AND I can hump like a champion!"
33:Sammy Davis Jr makes a more interesting test case, what with his relationship with Linda Lovelace and the Satanist orgies.
36 - He converted, so unless there was a terrible accident at the bris, he's actually a poor test case.
34: Shut up, Lur. (Emerson's right: it is satisfying.)
a poor test case
But *interesting*. Orgies at the Church of Satan, people!
I just like that volume I is called "Race and Sex in America" while volume II is "Sex and Race in America."
It took you 46 minutes to come up with that, B?
I was babbling in the other thread, for most of that time, but yeah, I admit it. I kept writing Serious Responses to 19. Ones that even *I* knew were ridiculous, and more to the point, that I knew would piss off Ogged. Finally I realized that they all just boiled down to "bah," so I left it at that.
We've learned to co-exist so peacefully.
You can't put the congenie back in the bottle.
If Jews have small penises, how do you explain Martin Peretz?
More to the point, how do you explain Ron Jeremy?
49 -- my eyes skipped over "Ron" and I was trying to figure out how you had discovered my secret.
Why is the website called "White Men Can Thump"? There's no mention of thumping anywhere on it, as far as I can tell.
45: Exactly. When I know you're trolling, I ignore you. Anyone else, I bitch at unless/until (like apo), they admit that they're trolling. If I were physically closer to apo, I'd just kick his shin.
Either that or you're emotionally abusing me by controlling me with fear of your anger/disapproval.
If I were physically closer to apo, I'd just kick his shin.
The pictures from the party tell another story, dear.
Or his "kick his shin" some sort of rhyming slang for "lick his chin"?
You weren't trolling me at that point.
Re. 49, presumably everyone in the biz is surgically modified.
Re. 49, presumably everyone in the biz is surgically modified.
No, I'm pretty sure there's a market for uncircumcised pornstars too.
57: So, you like 'em cut, do you? Do you just think cocks look prettier that way, or is there some sort of tactile or other issue involved?
55 is crazy -- modified members can't perform serious porn-star feats, unless surgery has improved a lot in ways that I haven't heard about. (Which could be true -- I don't actually stay on top of medical breakthroughs in penis enlargement. But I'd think I'd have heard of it somehow.)
Semi-related breaking news: Screech used a fake cock to make his porn movie. I personally feel cheated, and I never even saw it.
If porn dudes are surgically enhanced, it's news to me.
I never even saw it.
You didn't miss anything.
If jews get the white-group malcharacteristics offloaded to them, how did jewish women get know for having large breasts?
58 misinterprets 57. Or rather I said the opposite of what I meant to say in 57.
63: Now you're confusing me. You prefer uncircumcised? And, does what you meant to say, i.e. your intention, matter?
how did jewish women get know for having large breasts?
By having large breasts. I mean, us goyim aren't blind you know.
The Humpty Dance is your chance to do the HUMP!
64: My intention matters only insofar as you want to know what my motives are, which was your original questions.
Gimme a break. I'm typing and simultaneously helping my *six year old* write an *essay* about MLK.
I always heard it the other way about the Jewish guys. But then my resource on the issue was mostly Jewish guys.
I heard the same thing about guys who comment on blogs but don't have a blog.
I give thee one break, and one for the road.
Don't spend them all in one thread.
(Or was this what you were actually asking for?)
Jewish guys have large breasts too? I've never really looked, or cared to, but if you say so.
Is there a stereotype that black men are "good in bed", as in skilled, or is is there just a thing about having big penises, which makes them great in and of itself?
DonBoy: There's a stereotype about 'hung' being more or less isomorphic with 'good in bed', but pretty much every enlightened being on the planet knows that it's BS.