The picture of the dude with a mud-covered face is great.
Note that that picture was taken in ogged's hometown.
Damn you, that was my favorite picture, and now I just seem lame and me tooish.
I was just going to say that the mud-covered guy and the women smoking were fantastic pictures, but Ben is the thunder-stealer. We can bask in our shared lameness, B.
#3 for me is the dudes at the nuclear facility.
You know, we think of those mud-covered dudes the way y'all think of the people who turned out for Roy Moore's love-in with the Ten Commandments.
Ok, maybe not quite like that, but you get the idea...
I like the picture of the women maxin' and relaxin' in hijab.
5: Nice try, apo, but you're still in the outer darkness.
6: Me too.
7: Of course, but still a great picture.
you're still in the outer darkness.
RACIST!
7: Whatever, Ogged. They're very exotic and picturesque.
Shoulda held your racist fire, Apo.
18: The Darkness did sing, "I believe in a thing called love." It's not too late, you two.
I also liked the picture of the Iranian hipsters at the museum.
21: Felt a certain kinship, did you, young w-lfs-n?
I'm not a hipster, Tim.
Now everyone be sure to tune into my frighteningly obscure college radio show tomorrow.
Let's vote. Everyone? w-lfs-n: hipster, or no?
Whoops! The nosejob in #4.
Those are Iraqis. Iranians never get nose jobs.
I've said it before (fucking hoohole): emo boy.
You see, as ogged has gotten to know me better, his opinion, previously incorrect, has come closer to the truth.
Those are Iraqis. Iranians never get nose jobs.
Not until after the high school graduation ceremonyl, anyway.
#4 seems to indicate that the Iraqi elections had some sort of absentee voting as an option, which never occurred to me.
That has nothing to do with you, Ben, and everything to do with Ogged's desire to thwart me.
I knew an Iranian (she would have said "Persian", probably) girl in high school who got a nose job in high school.
She was seriously hot, yo. Now she teaches at a Catholic high school and is married.
Didn't Iraqi exiles vote in places like Canada?
previously incorrect
I said you were close to being a hipster, which is correct. Note B's confusion.
37 should probably have been rephrased.
She was seriously hot, yo.
Hipster.
So far it's 3 for hipster, and 1 for "not, but close."
I'll vote for "not, but close," but w-lfs-n should understand that to be a good thing.
"Near hipster" strikes me as more insulting than "hipster." Beware of Persians bearing compliments, w-lfs-n.
Isn't there enough to mock w-lfs-n about that we don't need to ascribe flaws he lacks to him?
44: w-lfs-n sounds, of late, well-sexed. So, no.
Iranians never get nose jobs.
Iranians in Iran, maybe not. Iranians in L.A.? You're smoking crack.
I also knew a Persian girl who got a nose job in high school.
I guess 48 could also respond to 47.
45: You're going to be bitter about that for a long, long while, aren't you.
'Twas a joke, Josh. Iranians have to be most nose-jobbing people in the world.
Which is a pity, as the nose is what makes them beautiful.
Two hipster, one emo, three "almost," and only one clear "no." Close enough for government work.
One for emo counts as one for "no" with a counterproposal.
Plus "almost" is a mischaracterization, as it could be taken to imply that I intend hipsterdom but haven't attained it. Two yes to five no (three of which say "close, but that's good") isn't "close enough".
One for emo counts as one for "no" with a counterproposal
Wait, that doesn't rhyme. Try again, Carrabba.
w-lfs-n has previously denied my accusations of hipsterism, which leads me to believe that he and I have different definitions of the word. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
It's a well known characteristic of hipsters that they complain about other people (not themselves, of course) being hipsters. E.g.: This club was great until all the fucking hipsters showed up...
I offer this as judgement free fodder for the fire, is all.
Plenty of Iraqi exiles in my neighborhood voted, at polling places specially set up. Most are Christians, but we have some Muslims too. Their support for the invasion was intense, and they've been very resistant to accepting that the venture has gone south. Fox News, and the notion that failure is caused by biased reporting, are as well established among them as at any megachurch.
Now most Muslims in this neighbor are not Iraqis, and take a diametrically opposed view; relations between must be interesting. There probably aren't that many arguments, come to think of it. People at the grocery store seem to keep to themselves, clearly marked by degrees and styles of observant dress, at least among the women. Groups of men in coffee shops, mostly cab drivers late at night, seem to be all of one (sub)ethnicity.
I play soccer with a girl who wears a hajib while she plays. She's super good, too. It does seem like it blocks some of her peripheral vision though.
I would not have thought it would be loose enough to allow much running.
I think she bobby pins it in place from underneath. You can't see any bobby pins, but it doesn't budge.
bobby pins it in place
Is it just a headgear item? I thought hajib meant the whole full-length body garment thingy.
Think you're thinking of a chador.
I know it would look really silly, but wouldn't putting a close-fitting cap--like a swim cap--over the veil help with the peripheral vision?
Isn't it hijab? And that is just the head scarf. If it's pinned securely and tight enough to the head, I wouldn't think it'd get in the way of peripheral vision. I could see it being really annoying to breathe through when you got winded, though.
It doesn't cover her face, if that's what you mean by breathe through it. But it is secured in such a way that it looks deliberately floppy around the edges, if that makes sense. Like the girls in the photos that kicked off this thread I mean - no more tight and fitted than that.
"Hijab" isn't an item of clothing, my cracker brothers and sisters, it's the name for the "modest" style of dress which for some people means a head-scarf, for others a chador, and for others a burka.
72: So appropriate usage might be: "I like the picture of the women maxin' and relaxin' in hijab"?
The internet suggests that there is often an underscarf component of the hijab, too, much more tightly wrapped around the head and hair, over and around which the flowy scarf is draped.
While it seems plausible that it would acceptible to modify the head-scarf in the way JM suggests, I've never seen this done. The variety of coverings in use, each one indicative of a level of modesty, does not seem to mean a flexibility in how it's worn for practical considerations. You're already pushing the envelope by playing games in public as it is. I have often seen head-scarves, covering all but the face, underneath bike helmets, graduation mortarboards, etc.
A quote from Modern Muslima:
Keeping it On Your Head: If you have Caucasian or Asian hair texture, you will more than likely need some type of material underneath the scarf in order to keep it from slipping off of your head. Sisters with African hair textures may find that they need some type of underscarf as well. Several types are sold.
The very wide lace headbands are extremely uncomfortable, especially if you wear glasses, and they have the bad habit of slipping backwards off of your head and out underneath your scarf onto the floor. The Syrian made full lace caps are nice, and they usually stay in place. There is a space in the back for a bun or ponytail. Cotton caps (that look sort of like Amish lace caps) are also popular, but I have found that they stick out of the front of the hijab, and make it look sloppy. Some come with little ties (like Amish lace caps), but I have found that the slip on ones without ties stay on more securely and don't stick out as much. If it's cotton you like, you're better off with the underpiece from a plain (no lace) Amira style hijab. Cape-style khimars usually come with a matching underscarf, but if you have very fine or straight hair, you will still need some type of textured lace or cotton on underneath that to keep it from slipping.
The Koranic excerpts governing hijab make my tight-fitting cap idea not so workable. The reasonable interpretations seems to associate the head-covering with loose-fitting shawls and cloaks.
I guess I was thinking of those ads for strict Islamic swimming-gear. Maybe some cleric issued an exception for swimming.
The niqab freaks me out a little, but for ridiculous Islamic dress my vote goes for the dudes with the pants rolled up or cut off.
MoMA had a design show in 2005 that included Capsters, a head covering for sports developed by a Dutch designer in conjunction with an Imam.
I think it would be neat if we called them "wimples". There's just not enough call to use that word much these days, what with the dwindling number of nuns, but our burgeoning Muslim population could change that.
Those Capsters are pretty cool-looking.
I always notice how context-dependent my feelings of modesty are. Like not wearing shorts in Manhattan.
The snow must make me addled, because, duh, who wears a bathing suit out of context?
Damn, I thought I'd keep my identity hidden till Saturday.
When you told us about wearing a yellow ribbon, I didn't realize that that was going to be all that you would wear!
Pleas, M/tch, this is a family oriented meetup. It's a yellow ribbon and a (matching?) thong, thank you very much.
Like not wearing shorts in Manhattan.
Is that a rule? Damn. I wear mostly shorts and sandals to the office (in Manhattan) on the weekends from May through September. (but then again, I am a heathen Californian)
90: I'm afraid we're going to have to report you to the Manhattan Pants Authority, Idealist.
Crap.
No, I'm not talking to myself, I meant "89: ".
doesn't matter. You've both been reported to the MPA, just to be sure.
Pleas, M/tch
Guilty, guilty, guilty!
I wear mostly shorts and sandals to the office (in Manhattan)
I wince to report that this trend has already been dissected in the NYT Sunday Styles section.
Also, has anyone else noticed American-born Muslims wearing a veil that covers literally everything except their eyes (and sometimes hands)? While the immigrant Muslims I know vary tremendously in their style of dress, I've never seen any go to quite this extreme. I keep wondering if it has anything to do with that constant mumbled drumbeat of comments that black women sometimes seem to get on the subway.
Also, has anyone else noticed American-born Muslims wearing a veil that covers literally everything except their eyes (and sometimes hands)?
Yes.
Innocent question: how do y'all know they're American-born?
95: Huh. In Teoville, or in your home state, or elsewhere?
96: Speech. African immigrants in my area tend to speak with a French accent and/or speak Liberian English (or other very recognizable West African English). It's quite distinct from an American accent.
And I should clarify that the only women I've seen in these head-to-toe outfits have appeared to be African or African-American, thus the answer in 98.
"And I should clarify that the only women I've seen in these head-to-toe outfits have appeared to be African or African-American, thus the answer in 98." s/b "Kobe!".
Kobe, of course, is both African-American and from Philadelphia. I don't think he's ever worn a chador, though.
[quote]Also, has anyone else noticed American-born Muslims wearing a veil that covers literally everything except their eyes (and sometimes hands)?[/quote]
Muslim women of all ethnic backgrounds, inside & outside the US include a percentage that veil to this degree. Its not new at all. I've been studying veiling practices within the Muslim communities for over two decades & this has always been in existance. So I think its more that the non-Muslims are taking notice that these women exist. Their numbers however aren't really growing.... generally they make up about 10% of the Muslim community overall in the US & even most Muslim countries (outside of places like Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan)
