It doesn't matter that he doesn't set off the gaydar (he doesn't), but just how many ways they can call him "weak" and "unmanly." It really is one of the signs of the deep corruption of politics in this country that people like Coulter are prominent.
Think Progress has her painting Bill, HRC, and Gore with the same gay brush at earlier points in time. None of them set off gaydar, either. (Is there lesbian gaydar? I don't think I've ever made an "Oh, totally," claim about a woman.)
Whatever. It's their base. Not a hell of lot you can do about it.
Please, the whole "I'm so outgrageous" thing is as tiresome as the titty oogling people were complaining about. If you ignore her she will eventually shave her head and go to rehab.
Is there lesbian gaydar? I don't think I've ever made an "Oh, totally," claim about a woman.
You apparently haven't spent much time at women's history conferences.
I do kind of want everyone who pays any attention at all to these things to know that
(a) she said this in front of CPAC and wasn't booed offstage;
(b) the liberal media will go on booking her.
Just to say, hey, that's how it is.
3: Ogling is timeless. Coulter wore thin in '97.
Truly the kind of thing that makes me sympathetic to the "Adam's apple" jibes, even though I know those are technically Sinking To(ward) Her Level.
This is at least a jibe I've seen before -- back in 2004 at a forum where I used to hang out, there was much snickering over a collection of pictures of Kerry and Edwards, one of which was photoshopped to put Kerry's hand on Edwards ass.
I don't know why it makes me so much madder that they think calling someone gay is an insult -- it's gradeschool teasing about something entirely neutral, which just leaves you thinking "Someone here is insane. Are they insane? Am I insane?"
The italicized part is by Labs, although he might not want me to note it just now, but it was such a good comment.
those are technically Sinking To(ward) Her Level.
They really are. Other, nastier things about being a soulless creature of raw evil would be okay, but "You're so disgusting you deviate from gender norms" is a sucky thing to say because it's a sucky thing to think of as insulting, regardless of how effective it would be.
Well, Edwards sets off some people's gaydar.
Which is neither here nor there as far as Coulter's assholery goes, but just saying.
The "second thought" in the post is something that occurred to me as well.
9: Yeah, but Coulter makes such book on her whole "I'm hawt, and feminists are uuuugly" that I think it's perfectly fine to point out that she looks like a cross between a badly done trans job and a horse.
I think I'm winning this one on humorlessness. After all, Michelle Malkin is distinctly pretty, and does that make her any less loathsome? I think not.
I thought that, like Jonah Goldberg, she was trying to link liberals to fascism.
I can't believe B is defending Ann Coulter out of misguided feminist solidarity.
That comment was funny, Ogged. When did it all go wrong for me?
"Ann, you're only hot to the repressed Republican college boys who drool over your skintight leather skirts. As soon as any of them get laid, you and your politics will be dropped faster than the boys came."
Works for me.
When did it all go wrong for me?
Maybe it was when you had the archives scrubbed.
As soon as any of them get laid, you and your politics will be dropped faster than the boys came.
Looks like we'll be dealing with her for a looooong time, then.
9: Oh, absolutely. It just illustrates the extent to which the Mighty Wurlitzer presents us a sort of "as you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you" situation.
Michelle Malkin is distinctly pretty
Obligatory. My apologies. Someone was gonna do it.
Michelle Malkin is distinctly pretty
Dude.
I hate it when people call Ann Coulter a cunt. I happen to like cunts, thankyouverymuch, and associating them with pure, raw evil like AC is enough to turn a bi girl straight.
Response is a tough issue. I really don't want to be stuck with "We Beg to Differ" chants. But there are good reasons why certain forms of attack aren't considered to be allowed, and I'm a Dem in part because I think those bars are appropriate ones.
13: Malkin's pretty, sure, and no, it doesn't make her less loathesome. But she doesn't make her looks part of the issue, whereas Coulter does, or tries to. OTOH, Malkin *does* totally use her ethnicity, and therefore I have no problem with people who criticize her on those grounds.
15: Labs, that's totally it. Next time I see you, I really am going to kick your ass.
Right, because she looks weird pulling a face doesn't make her ugly. And 15: um, that was me. B was the one on the bandwagon.
25: That's she's pretty? Are you kidding me?
24: Exactly, Tim. I feel the same way about the Edwards/Second-Life thing. I mean, blackface? Is that intended to keep all those KKK members from voting for Edwards? "Look, it's like he's black! Or does not hate black people! So get ready to not vote for him!" I just don't get the rhetorical purpose of the cunt/faggot/non-white insult. Some of my best friends are faggoty non-white cunts!
28: Geez, man, do even gay men have to be the pretty police? I'm sure Michelle Malkin has imperfections, but yes, she's very attractive.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more I can't believe someone got up in front of a bunch of grownups and said, more or less, "John Edwards is a faggot but I can't quite say that."
"Michelle Malkin? Barely tolerable, I should think; but not nearly handsome enough to tempt me."
Malkin is certainly not unattractive. Everyone has moments of weirdness in still frames, and her look isn't one I go for, but she's an attractive woman. Physically.
do even gay men have to be the pretty police?
Come on, LB, you brought it up.
faggoty non-white cunts
[raises hand]
do even gay men have to be the pretty police
Um, LB, where have you been? Gay men are often worse pretty police than straight men, because they don't even secretly want to fuck half the chicks they're calling insufficiently fuckable, like straight dudes do.
30, 31: Yeah, I'm gay, and gay men have had lots to say on the subject of pretty women for a long time, and I don't know what that "pretty police" stuff is about, but Malkin isn't "imperfect," she's a fucking horrifying ogre with big tits and careful makeup. I have no idea what this distinctly pretty/very attractive stuff is all about.
I think what LB is saying in 31 is that Malkin's unconventionally attractive.
32.--You know what's even worse, Labs? Over at RedState, a bunch of the batshit Movement Conservatives are actually saying things like: "Romney got Ann Coulter's endorsement! That means a lot to me! He's one of us! Giuliani only got that pasty George Will's endorsement! Romney and Ann forever!"
They genuinely like her.
By the conventions of 19th century novels, Darcy's comment has made it more, rather than less, likely that he will wind up marrying Malkin.
Funny how this thread seems to be merging with the other one. Soon enough there will be only one Unfogged thread.
Malkin is getting a little old to carry off the gamine look.
Sorry, everyone.
It's true, though.
I'm so conventionally attractive.
I remember with some fondness the days when I thought George Will was the worst pundit in the world.
I can't figure out what "conventionally attractive" means these days. I mean, the dudes who jerk off to Coulter's book covers (and then all over the pages themselves) seem to think she is conventionally attractive. She is thin, with tits, makeup, and frizzless blond hair. That's pretty conventional, right?
Sigh. I'm trying to cast my imagination into the mind of a straight, conservative, racist, sexist, lonely dude who fantasizes about Coulter, and I get confused. Fantasizing about the donkey from Shrek makes more sense to me.
Okay, you know what? I went and looked at a bunch of google-image results of Malkin not making faces, and you people are right. She is conventionally attractive. I guess I find her so repellent for other reasons that my mental image of her was only of the scary face. I really, really hate what she does and it pretty thoroughly colored my memory of her looks.
I still resent that "pretty police" thing though.
47: Obviously, the "pretty police" comment is pretty silly given that policing prettiness is Unfogged's moonlighting job.
Sorry, if you look down at the other active thread you'll see what I'm on about. And I'm in a shitty awful mood relating to some stuff I can't talk about, which is probably making me touchy.
For a while it's seemed to me that people pretend to find Coulter attractive rather than actually finding her attractive. Like it's part of the conservative identity politics thing to buy into that, even though she's obviously not good-looking.
For a while it's seemed to me that people pretend to find Coulter attractive rather than actually finding her attractive. Like it's part of the conservative identity politics thing to buy into that, even though she's obviously not good-looking.
This is totally right. Do you really think that if Coulter were a liberal, they'd be saying "Dumb bitch; she is kinda hot though"? Not hardly.
Incidentally, Malkin appears to have condemned Ann's remark.
She said she would refrain from commenting on Edwards because "if you say faggot, you have to go to rehab."A smattering of laughter.
Not from this corner.
Crickets chirping.
Which kind of surprises me.
I looked, saw, & got it. Only put off I guess b/c I think we're prettymuch on the same side.
Clearly, it's time to go home.
I went and looked at a bunch of google-image results of Malkin not making faces, and you people are right. She is conventionally attractive.
This is pretty obviously why bloggers like to focus on the goofy looking pictures of her, and even more so, is behind the ruckus with the photoshopped pictures of her in a bikini. It's commentary on how her shoddy scholarship and hateful rhetoric are only legitimized by her pretty face.
I think.
Coulter is attractive within the category of "candidates to appear on political TV shows." That counts for something.
But see, I find the Coulter thing confusing. I mean, when I look at her, I don't see anything obviously UNattractive physically, it's just that she's so evil that it makes her glow ugly. Which is how, it turns out, I felt about Malkin.
Of course Malkin is pretty. Very much so. That she's a hateful sociopath is an entirely different issue. Coulter is not all that pretty, but she's thin and blonde and that's an acceptable substitute for most people.
50. No, I think it's more in the vein of "10 for ___, but a 5 back in the world." Coulter is only "hot" in realtion to say, George Will or W.F. Buckley. Malkin has disrupted her applecart.
I think this is my favorite of the Michelle-Malkin's-Head-Photoshopped-Into-A-Skimpy-Bikini series. It's so great that Malkin sicced her lawyers on Wonkette for it.
Cerebrocrat, don't make me take down your badge number. Coulter looks rough, emaciated, and washed out; she's like a bad cartoon of an attractive woman (because she fits the very broad descriptions that people sometimes claim to find attractive, such as blonde, thin, etc.). This is apart from the horrible scars on her soul, of course.
I cannot for the life of me remember why we started tallking about the relative attractiveness of Coulter and Malkin. I'm also sad to see that I missed B's earlier threat to kick my ass. Typical liberal response-- they threaten violence when they have nothing to say. Also, I would totally win that fight with the help of my trainer VOX DAY.
60: such as blonde, thin
I have a theory that most straight guys have a huge disconnect between what they think they find attractive and what they actually are attracted to. Like, guys will fuck an ugly white girl who is skinny and frizzlessly blonde before a larger, prettier white girl with possibly-genetically-impure hair almost every time, but not because they're physically compelled toward the former.
46: "Shrek" is doubly interesting in this context. (I did see this movie, via my nieces). As I remember, the message is "Don't judge people by their homely appearance", BUT in the end the homely people turn out to be cute.
But second, being homely is OK in "Shrek", but being shrimpy or dwarfish (Farquart = "Fuckwad") is not.
Malkin is Pretty?
Sounds like Claggart as in, "handsome is as handsome did it too!"
62: Not that I'm bitter... But it is funny, in that I often watch guys sidle up to me and then push me away, only to sidle up again. A friend of mine says she thinks most of her lovers think of sexing her like "eating chocolate in the closet."
About the original post, I really wonder whether Coulter will get away with it this time. She's already been dropped by the broadcasting companies that have any shame-strings, but "faggot" has moved into "nigger" territory in the last couple of years. (Perez Hilton--who is of course a horrible person but rather effective--has already started what will probably be a series of outraged posts.)
she's like a bad cartoon of an attractive woman
But I thought that's what straight guys LIKE?!
But if you still want to take down my badge number - and I can pretty much guarantee you won't - we can certainly bang.
52: Malkin has occasional minor spasms of dignity, but they don't last. When she screws up the self-respect to stop writing for VDARE, that'll be noteworthy.
But I thought that's what straight guys LIKE?!
It's what straight guys think they like. See 62.
66: I'd hate to see "faggot" move into "nigger" territory, because I hate to see a word get that kind of power. My reaction to the Coulter thing is just that it's pathetic that she thinks - and may be correct - that this is an effective insult against Edwards for the purposes of her audience. Also pathetic is that, according to David Brock, Coulter's had gay friends and may still.
If Coulter truly meant "faggot" as "unmanly", then how is that different than calling GHW Bush a "wimp"? I mean the guy was a torpedo bomber pilot in WWII, shot down in action, blah blah blah. Because I don't think she meant really, closeted gay.
Look, how many of you think it would have been edifying to debate Goebbels or Lysenko on the particulars? Not me, any more than it makes sense to keep paying a buck to try and guess which of the three thimbles the pea is under with a street conman in NYC.
She's a fucking scumbag whose entire schtick rests on getting the kind of linkage that this provides. I'd rather regard her as a bug on my shoe: I don't even notice when it splats, and in a very short time, it's not even there any longer.
She's a fucking scumbag whose entire schtick rests on getting the kind of linkage that this provides. I'd rather regard her as a bug on my shoe: I don't even notice when it splats, and in a very short time, it's not even there any longer.
Well,eleven years and counting. Basically, we need an elite corp of Teh Oppressed to go on TV and charmingly but nastily smack the shit out of people.
I've seen Edwards referred to as "Breck Girl" recently - must be on Daily Kos, since I've stopped following links to RedState.
This RedState thread is interesting. Even most of her real fans are kind of shaking their heads and writing things like "Well, of course it's PC liberalmaniac nonsense, but the candidates and major organisations are going to have to denounce her comments."
I've seen Edwards referred to as "Breck Girl" recently
He's been called that since '04.
This could present a good opportunity to smack and train the media. When presented with the statement, either the Edwards spokesman or (probably better) some unaffiliated Dem might say something like, "So we should expect another flattering Time profile any day now, I guess."
68 - Malkin's a flat-out racist and crazy as a shithouse rat, but I've seen nothing to indicate that she's down with gay-bashing. (That said, I mostly encounter her writing when someone like David Neiwert is teeing off on her shoddy scholarship and barely disguised fascist sympathies.)
77 - Is this, by being a slur with no veneer of polite discussion/concern trolling, going to attract more attention than Sean Hannity inviting a guest on to claim that Barack Obama is a non-Christian who worships "African things"? I think you're right, and the only reason I can see is what JM said in 66, which is that the only thing that attracts negative faux-scandal media attention if you're attacking a Democrat is using a word that the media has decided is genuinely out of bounds. If Coulter had said "effeminate" or "a little lavender", what would the results have been?
61: It was all my fault. I was trying to make some point about it being pointlessly lousy to make fun of Coulter for being ugly, when it was clearly possible to be pretty much as bad while being very attractive. I hadn't realized that we were going to have to argue about whether Malkin actually was pretty.
I shouldn't comment when I'm cranky.
Laura ingraham is the hot wringnut girl.
73: we need an elite corp of Teh Oppressed to go on TV and charmingly but nastily smack the shit out of people.
This is a completely awesome suggestion.
m. leblanc, why are you never on AIM? I would like to give you shit in a non-public forum.
Maybe she's never on AIM because she doesn't want people giving her shit in a non-public forum.
teo, I'ma give you a tip about women: many of them like to be given shit, both in public and private. It's part of the flirtation process.
teo, I'ma give you a tip about women: many of them like to be given shit, both in public and private. It's part of the flirtation process.
Girls love dominance, in case u was wondering, TEos.
The latest development is that the Edwards campaign has sent out an email (over the signature of David Bonior, the campaign chair) saying "you've probably heard what she said, I can't bring myself to repeat it, but if you're angry let's see if we can raise $100K in on-line campaign donations this week to show her". There seems to be a problem with the campaign site at the moment, but if you're inspired there's always ActBlue.
Tim, Lysenko and Goebbels would have been infinitely more fascinating people to debate, about anything, than Ann Coulter.
Did Edwards say "not that there's anything wrong with that"? An obvious closet-case homophobe who doesn't watch hip TV. Three strikes against him right there.
90: The Edwards site is back up. They're calling the money they want to raise 'Coulter Cash'.
Cerebro, are we going to end up tag-teaming vox day? Hot, hot, hot.
I'm also sad to see that I missed B's earlier threat to kick my ass. Typical liberal response-- they threaten violence when they have nothing to say. Also, I would totally win that fight with the help of my trainer VOX DAY.
Bring it, sucker. My coach is Alameida's little sister.
