Re: Sneak Attack

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Stealth meaning no announcement of campaigns and targets while elections are in progress? So that "gays are out to get me" can't be used in the election as an issue? How are people going to communicate and get the word out then?


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:09 PM
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Word of mouth. This is a small network of wealthy donors personally known to each other, who have enough money to affect local races.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:11 PM
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And I think the guy's brilliant.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:12 PM
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That's clever.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:14 PM
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Love the patronising tone, about gays voting for the "cutest" candidates. When would a contribution like that have to be reported, then?


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:14 PM
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Donations would have to be reported, but they don't have to be labeled as "for gay-friendly politicians". This isn't PAC money, it's from individuals.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:17 PM
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Right -- Joe Homophobe in Kentucky may notice that his opponent is getting a lot of donations, but he's not going to recognize the names.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:19 PM
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Does the candidate who receives the contribution need to report it in a way that can be discovered before the election?


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:19 PM
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7: If as you say it's a small number of wealthy donors, a list should be easy to prepare and diseminate.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:21 PM
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This seems like the sort of thing that will be somewhat less effective now that there's been a prominent article about it. Ah, well.


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:28 PM
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Eh, I'm not sure what's so impressive about this. It seems like an early version of what Nordquist has done on the right. More power to them, obviously.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:36 PM
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11 - Yes, but I'm glad that somebody on the left finally is doing it for our team.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:48 PM
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Yeah, this is good work. It's a bit early to tell whether it's having any effect, but it sounds like the right idea. More broadly, if it is working, how depressing that our democracy is about what a group of a few dozen rich people decides to make happen.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:49 PM
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11: It's effective political strategizing from the Democratic party, above and beyond "The Republicans have truly fucked the country for the last six years, kick them out." That's impressive.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:49 PM
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More broadly, if it is working, how depressing that our democracy is about what a group of a few dozen rich people decides to make happen.

Ummm....


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:51 PM
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Um what, gaylord?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 2:59 PM
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How did you think it worked before? Or is the issue that it's only "dozens"?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:01 PM
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I realize that's how it works; I was taking this opportunity to note my upset.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:05 PM
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I'm not convinced it can't be anticipated, publicized and made to backfire.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:09 PM
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Glory in it. If you find a rich heiress, you'll be able save your other homeland just by shaking you moneymaker all the way into a marriage.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:10 PM
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It's all your fault for not finding a sugarmama if we go to war with Iran, Ogged.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:15 PM
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19: Demonizing Scaife has worked so well for the Democrats in the past, after all. I mean, I guess backlash is possible, but that doesn't make this a bad idea.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:16 PM
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19: I'm not sure how it would backfire. Yes, you can make hay by saying "My opponent is taking gay money," but they still have the money.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:16 PM
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19: Well only in the sense that all the other similar schemes can. I mean, a lot of political funding is tactical, and sometimes this can blow up in your face (particularly if exposed with just the right spin). Nothing new there. The smart thing about what this guy is doing is identifying a population who have largely failed to be tactical, and organizing them. In this sense they are just barely beginning to catch on to what their political opponents are very, very good at.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:17 PM
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An asymmetry in the capacity to demonize?


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:17 PM
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19: There are no permanent victories in politics, assuming you face minimally competent opponents. If nothing else, they'll just adopt the portion of your policies they disagree the least with and shift the battle line. Every staffer who has to pore over a list of donors and try to guess whether or not they're part of the secret gay army isn't return reporter's phone calls or driving a voter registration bus or what have you.

This is good stuff. I also thought the use of the term "gay ick" in relation to the Ted Haggard incident and fallout thereof was... non-obvious and illuminating?


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:19 PM
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Yeah, Trimpa was the guy I wanted to know more about--Gill is just the dude with the money.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:28 PM
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A gay cabal? Part of the strategy should be that anyone who opposes them will have stealth gay operatives touch them with their evil gay hands.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:30 PM
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28 `hands'


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:35 PM
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Actually, what I like about this kind of thing is that it suggests it *doesn't* have to be just rich people; that if the rest of us actually paid attention to local races and issue-oriented fundraising at the state and local level, we could make a pretty big difference.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:46 PM
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BitchPhd is correct. A relatively small donation can greatly assist a local election. Moreover, we all have apathetic friends and aquantances who can be convinced to vote correctly with relatively little effort.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 3:51 PM
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I think the part about "stealth" at the end, if correct, means that 30 is at least partially wrong. In other words, if it's quantity of money that ultimately makes a difference, those of us who aren't millionaires would need some way to coordinate (I don't think 'paying attention' really cuts it, here) in order to focus giving efforts at a local level -- but any effort to coordinate is going to be transparent, and therefore unstealthy.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 4:07 PM
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Finally. Haven't social conservative activists been "packing" school boards with this sort of technique, perhaps at a cruder level?

I think I told this story on the blog before-- according to a friend in textbook publishing, TX and CA adopt books en masse, not district-by-district. The size of these markets gives de facto veto power to these state boards, which means that a few well-organized people in Texas pick what's too controversial for your child.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 4:34 PM
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Somewhere before 30 and 32 lies the gold. These are $1000 donations they are talking about; campaign financing at this level rarely allows single contributions at any higher level. (I think some of California's go up to $2500.) So you have to be someone who can write a couple different $1000 checks and maybe swing a few $1000 friends. Not bazillionaire, but not you lot neither.

33: Yes, but that's a more grass-roots enterprise than the article is about. Not that there isn't national support, but it involves an organization on the ground. This is just putting money out there.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 4:44 PM
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The next step in this arms race is datamining the public election finance records to discover these stealth funding campaigns.

Let's hijack this thread to talk about machine learning!


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:16 PM
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Or another entry in "how can you help the Democratic party make gains" - subscribe anonymously or as close to it as possible to as many Republican mailing lists as possible and report back lists of their talking points or planned points of attack.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:24 PM
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Speaking of machine learning, scroll to the bottom of this report on eye tracking on web pages. Hilarity ensues.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:29 PM
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37. They should have used someone other than Ogged as the test subject.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:32 PM
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Ogged has never understood why they call them 'chip clips'."


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:52 PM
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Wow, women are really incurious, eh?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:54 PM
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Also, as far as 36 goes -- I'm pretty sure some people don't subscribe to Republican mailing lists for precisely the reason that they don't want to hear a steady stream of their talking points all day long. Tunnelling through that firewall might ... miss the point.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:56 PM
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40. Either that or the female subject(s) had already slept with george Brett and didn't need to check out his package.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 5:58 PM
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41: there are also presumably plenty of people who don't want to read emails about how hot George Brett is, and of course everyone looked at his package, wouldn't you, and by the way let's send $20k to defeat this asshole homophobe in East Bumfuck, TX. But yet commenters here are suggesting that the willingness of these other people to read such emails, that no doubt disgust them, makes the whole secret gay cabal thing pointless, because it will provoke an unstoppable backlash.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 6:11 PM
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Yeah, Trimpa was the guy I wanted to know more about--Gill is just the dude with the money.

Trimpa might be nothing more than what he's introduced as being—a very clever lawyer and former lobbyist. This dude claims that recently a Texan lawyer who made is bread working for big tobacco more or less saved the world by preventing a large crop of dirty coal power plants from being built, even though he personally doesn't really care about the environment—his wife does, and he did it on her behalf.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 6:16 PM
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43 -- maybe I should have just said "36 'you' s/b 'someone'", and that would have made my intention clear?

And anyway, no one is emailing me about how hot George Brett is. I can subconsciously notice that all on my own.


Posted by: arthegall | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 7:01 PM
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Oh, I wasn't trying to single anyone out - the you was meant in the spirit of "only you can prevent forest fires". Sorry if I was unclear.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 7:14 PM
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if the rest of us actually paid attention to local races and issue-oriented fundraising at the state and local level, we could make a pretty big difference

Hey, we could organize a bunch of smart, politically-aware people to do that! And post about it on a blog those smart, politically-aware people read! And mark out the posts relating to that topic in a different color than the regular posts!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 7:34 PM
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Josh is banned!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 8:04 PM
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Yeah! Banned!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-14-07 8:55 PM
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You could probably even find your own lawyer who used to work for big tobacco!


Posted by: Emir | Link to this comment | 03-15-07 6:14 AM
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44 - If you're talking about the TXU buyout, it's a little more complicated than that. TXU wanted to build a gazillion coal-fired power plants in Texas and get them all approved before carbon caps (which everyone seems to think are inevitable) arrive. It was a good evil plan, but they got some unexpected pushback from local governments, and then a combination of gazillionaire private equity and the Environmental Defense Fund stepped in to make a buyout offer and kill most of the plants. It's not clear yet whether this was a big environmentalist victory or TXU riding out a busted flush.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 03-15-07 6:32 AM
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I subscribe to the GOP mailing lists for the exact reasons in 36.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 03-15-07 8:51 AM
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52: Freak.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-15-07 8:56 AM
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