Well shit, if you can even get B's page to open, you're way ahead of me and my IE.
But then, you already knew that.
Wait 5 seconds and click the "Stop" button. Fixes whatever the problem is.
In Firefox and Safari, I have to hit stop once the page is mostly loaded, or else the links for the comments keep disappearing when you mouse over them. Cut Fix that boy's hair blog's code!
That swimmer dude seems too hairy. I thought they were waxing or shaving everything off before meets.
It was not his pecs that my eyes were first drawn to.
I thought they were waxing or shaving everything off before meets.
The really good swimmers don't typically shave down for minor meets.
Yes, asilon, it's a nice medal. Women and jewelry, I swear...
Those are nice pecs, but I'd prefer to see them a little fuller, more on the heaving side of things.
I would have thought the notable feature of that picture was the muscle definition at the lower abs. But that's just me.
That's what I noticed first.
10: So they point straight up at the ceiling?
Swimmers do not wax. We shave. Occassionally, we laser. (But those areas are unrelated to swimming fast.)
SWIMMERS LASER would be a hell of a bumper sticker.
So they point straight up at the ceiling?
So inflexible. Hasn't science produced fully articulated boobtronics yet? What's science been doing all this time?
What's science been doing all this time?
Your mom. We're almost done.
15: William F. Buckley has been working on it.
Suddenly, I'm thinking Ogged's swimblogging should not be discouraged...
I am sad to say, it was actually his hairline that I noticed first. Once I made it down to the lower abs, however, they were pretty nice.
I believe the Gay Police can take away your sodomite card for that admission.
After the torso, which is what the link prepped me to look for, I noticed what I took to be skin damage on his face. It may just be a feature of the light, but it's certainly darker.
I am constantly on the run from the Gay Police.
the Gay Police
Helped former US Gay Attorney Rudy Giuliani indict the Gay Mafia on Gay Racketeering charges.
8 - you're too clever.
I do love swimmers' bodies; they're my favourite. Although footballers have better calves. (Gross generalisations based on vague recollections, which may be disproven at any minute by actual pictures.)
Soccer players are nicely proportional -- they're not freakishly overdeveloped in any particular direction, just pleasantly fit and muscular.
Soccer players have freakishly overdeveloped quadraceps, but then, I like that.
Rowers. It's all about rowers. They got the everything.
Mmmm. Rowers. Pretty.
I coxed at the Crash-B's one year -- they were at MIT while I was in college there. It's surprisingly fun sitting behind a 220 lb, 6% bodyfat specimen and shouting insults/encouragement at him for 6 minutes or so while he rows. Their shoulders have the most impressively complex definition, when viewed in motion.
But they tend a bit toward the overly hulking. I like big, but serious rowers tend to be just too large.
Gymnasts, sprinters, then maybe swimmers. Soccer players are way down the list, just before baseball players, cyclists, and bowlers.
Gymants? No way, dude. Their muscles are overdeveloped and they're all 5'2". I think sprinters have the best bodies, overall.
Unfortunately, most sprinters are probably juiced.
33: Apparently you never saw Mitch Gaylord in American Anthem.
It's surprisingly fun sitting behind a 220 lb, 6% bodyfat specimen and shouting insults/encouragement at him
Oh, not so surprising, I don't think. I don't know about hulking; I guess I've mostly been around either college or masters rowers, many of whom looked nice, but none hulking. Well, there was the one girl with all the bellybutton hair...
30: I'm sure it was a cold day. And "winers?"
And "winers?"
The bouquet carries scents of gym sweat and musk, with delightful flavors of salted pork linger on the finish.
It should surprise nobody that the sports that my rather-on-the-slim-side honey did were fencing and long-distance running. I'm his second girlfriend in a row with a dance background.
On another topic, I'm trying to configure my blasted computer to watch the Republican debate. Anyone watching it online? Or, rather, is anyone watching it at all, and is it worth it?
"Watching the Republican debate online" means, to me, refreshing Unfogged comments on a fairly regular basis -- the digest version.
40: epée?
And it is too damned early to be watching debates. Thus spake Cala.
my rather-on-the-slim-side honey did were fencing
Fencing is gay.
And it is too damned early to be watching debates.
And I'm too damned sober to be listening to Republicans.
Ah, finally. I've managed to download a whole bunch of shit, use Explorer, and view the damned thing from Politico.com.
Holy hell, the podia are ugly. Some sort of weird white to red (or blue) blurring wave.
Don't think I've ever heard the word "podia" before.
Not fencing, but a good sword related clip.
Romney is the only good-looking one.
They're now one by one advocating completely insane tax cuts.
Women are so shallow. Is that why you're dating a gay guy?
I'm sort of thrilled that rabid-Libertarian Ron Paul is up there.
Romney probably wants Richardson to get the nomination so he can finally be the guy with the smaller head.
Is that why you're dating a gay guy?
Hey! He's a total hottie! And probably the most straight-edge partner I've ever had.
McCain is now claiming he's going to reach across the aisle... to Joe Lieberman.
The fuckers! They asked the "do you believe in evolution" question I voted for to McCain and then to a hand vote. I couldn't see who voted against. (McCain said he blieved in evolution but that he saw the "hand of God" while hiking in the Grand Canyon.)
I wanted the yes or no vote to make soundbites.
How can any of you watch this thing? I'd end up damaging my set.
probably the most straight-edge partner I've ever had
A dancer's non-denial denial, or a fencing joke; hard to tell.
Ignoring ogged, the reason I was so excited to watch this is pure spectatorship. The Republican primary is going to be a bloodbath this next year and a half, and I want a front seat.
The short-answer format prevents Rudy from manifesting his insanity, unfortunately.
You can ignore me, but you can't ignore The Truth, JM.
I'm somehow comforted to see that Brownback looks somewhat like a bland Feingold with worse hair. It might be the first time I've seen him.
Did the candidates know some of these questions beforehand? Some of the answers to unusual questions seem very pat.
I must be gay. Intead of beach volleyball, I saw fencing at the Greek Olympics.
ogged, if my honey is gay, why is he fucking women?
They prepare answer to questions somewhat similar to these.
65:
Bad question. I personally know 5 women whose husbands came out after 8 plus years of marriage.
Although to be fair, there apparently wasnt a lot of fucking going on. At least with their wives.
Matthews is a HORRIBLE moderator. He's been on interrupto-cable TV too long. It's not about you, Chris!
Fine. My honey is gay, and eventually he'll admit it to me, and I'll just accept it and introduce him to Fontana Labs.
Mercifully, Giuliani admitted that the Schiavo case belonged in the courts. The only one willing to say it full out.
Why the hell did Matthews give the candidates a free Clinton-bashing round?
69:
Hey, you will probably get 8 or 9 relatively good years in before he has the guts to come out. It is a shame that society doesnt make people feel more comfortable
Jesus Christ, the manly, knowing chuckling about Bill and Hillary makes me ill.
Fine. My honey is gay
It's illegal for Iranians to be gay, you know. Are you sure, or are you just willing to throw that out there?
63: Weren't some of the questions supposed to be coming from internet voting? If so, presumably their staffs were paying attention.
the most straight-edge partner I've had
Wait, he's a skin? This is a whole new facet to Jackmormonism -- I didn't even know there were any Iranian skinheads.
His younger brother (with whom he lives) is gay and somewhat closeted. It's pretty tragic, actually.
I personally know 5 women whose husbands came out after 8 plus years of marriage.
Divorce lawyers have all the good stories.
I've got to look up the 10th amendment, apparently.
His younger brother (with whom he lives) is gay and somewhat closeted. It's pretty tragic, actually.
Oh, for real? Man, I'm sorry to have joked; that really sucks. Fucking backward culture (that has some good points!).
See, JM, jamming your bloody feet into the toe shoes was worth it.
Wait, he's a skin?
What? Straight edge not the same as skinhead.
I like the most recent Wright/Kaus blogging-heads so far.
Naw, don't fret. The brother needs to man up about it. I don't think the culture is entirely to blame.
76: Aryan, duh. ("We're white! Stop shooting!!)
Okay, that giant Air Force One behind the candidates (to which the camera panned after the debates ended) is really TOO MUCH.
The family and soceity can place tremendous pressure. This is especially true if the person is religious.
One separated wife I know gets constant bombardment from her family and his that she should take her gay husband back. "stop him from making this horrible choice!!"
AREGGAGRAGGRARRAGGGG
82 -- Oh yeah, I forget that from time to time. The only straight-edge punk I've ever been good friends with was also a skinhead.
Divorce lawyers have all the good stories.
Actually, a relative of mine is a canon lawyer involved in annulments in a certain archdiocese. He's got good stories, but it's difficult to pry them out of him.
I always thought the annulment process involved a lot fo willful blindness.
Because I'm Becks-style, I'll be indiscreet. It's not that the family is religious, it's that they're repressive, conservative, clubby, and dynastic. The brother is okay being kinda mostly out with his circle of friends, kinda mostly okay picking up guys for really, really short-term deals, but doesn't seem to have told his parents. Frankly, I suspect that the closest he's come to talking through some of his guy issues with his family has been with me. Which is really too bad.
God, imagine the drama if he comes out to his parents. I wonder how many of his relatives would threaten suicide.
It is a shame. For anyone with open eyes, it really is painfully obvious.
My gf's ex-husband is gay. On our first date, we came up with a top-ten list of how you know your husband is gay.
Brownback's wife scares me. She looks like a 1950s WREN on opiates.
On our first date, we came up with a top-ten list of how you know your husband is gay.
Let's hear it already.
White...Republican...Evil...Nanny?
95, we've heard this list already, in the form of "most gay activities on earth". I think the top three were
3. Oral sex with men
2. Rollerblading
1. Anal sex with men
The brother is okay being kinda mostly out with his circle of friends, kinda mostly okay picking up guys for really, really short-term deals, but doesn't seem to have told his parents.
But how long can that last? Surely someone is going to notice the "never dates girls" thing eventually.
I really don't know what the drama would be. If that family weren't so fucked up, they'd be exactly the kind of Persian aristocrat you'd abhor. The father is almost totally detached by now. (He's about 72, and he and his 32-year-old wife and 1 1/2 year-old child are making their lives in Egypt.) The mother works in fashion, and with tons of gay people (in Dubai and in ever-increasing cycles of jetlag around the world).
She had four sons; one married a women who couldn't bear children and adopted, one had a devastating brain tumor (still alive, but I have no real understanding of his condition), my honey (who didn't talk to her for almost four years), and the closeted, dutiful, loving youngest.
90: It can, but mostly it's just standard legal proceedings under canon law before an ecclesiastical tribunal.
gswift, there's a difference between "having accepted having sex with and being attracted to men" and "having accepted being, mostly, gay." There seem to be a lot of intermediate steps that can involve not telling your parents.
gswift, there's a difference between "having accepted having sex with and being attracted to men" and "having accepted being, mostly, gay."
So he's making some effort at cover? Dating/pretending to date girls from time to time? Hell, I didn't date in high school, and my mom wondered if I was gay. My mom is a little nutty.
1. makes own curtains.
2. regularly prepares unique salads
3. exquisite taste in color schemes
4.collects fine porcelin
5. speaks with lisp
6. doesnt have sex with hot wife
7. hates watching sports.
8. doesnt play any sports.
I forgot the rest.
So 104 is saying...that Fontana Labs has a hot wife?
9. links to pictures of male swimmers
In the few conversations I've seen between him and his parents, I'd say there were some efforts at cover. More importantly, however, he doesn't seem to have admitted to himself the possibility of loving, as an adult and a full person, a man. As the girlfriend of his roommate and brother, I'm over at his place all the time, and he knows me. He's barely mentioned any of the men he's been interested, and I've never run across any of them. And I'm probably the most supportive person who knows who's associated with the family structure! (My honey is too careful---in general---to gossip.)
yea, video of swimmers = ok
pics of male swimmers = not ok
But ogged also posted the pics of that girl...
107:
He doesnt want to accept it. If he does those things, he has to accept that he is gay.
But ogged also posted the pics of that girl...
That's what's known as "some efforts at cover".
Holy belated sense of decorum.
This wasn't my secret to divulge to the internet. While I doubt very much that my honey will read this thread, I'd ask those people who know us in real life to be tactful.
"That's what's known as "some efforts at cover". "
Gswift, are you suggesting that he wasnt really interested in improving his strokes when he asked me to email pictures of my strokes?
109: I know. Semi-closeted, no matter how many friends know he sleeps with men from time to time.
10. exchanges stroking pictures with other men
To distract you from JM's tale-telling, here's the best quote I can remember from priest-relative mentioned above: "I was able to manage it, Father, when he painted himself green and said he was the Incredible Hulk, but when he decided he was Conan the Barbarian and starting hacking apart the furniture, I knew I had to leave."
I don't believe for an instant that Chris Matthews is still blond in that shade.
Sorry, the livefeed is still going, even though the aftershow is shite.
So how good a list is 104? Where are all the homos when you need them? I don't meet any of the criteria (my taste in colors schemes is good, but not exquisite). Didn't Labs make his own curtains? Does he play any sports? Labs is so gay, I almost confused him with Ben w-lfs-n.
1 out of 8, dang. I am straighter'n John Wayne voting for Reagan on a horse.
Reagan on a horse
No, that's bestiality. Straight men's dates don't whinny.
At lunch today an ex-military guy claimed that Reagan was one of three presidents to carry a concealed weapon. The other two were Ford and...I forget, but maybe Eisenhower.
That seems extremely weird. You're surrounded by trained, armed people whose job it is to protect you; why do you need a gun?
121 -- Andrew Jackson surely?
I thought so too. And the guy made that point, even as he was telling the story.
124 - maybe these were based on records for concealed handgun laws that didn't date that far back? They were definitely all midcentury on. I'm pretty sure the oldest was Eisenhower.
At lunch today an ex-military guy claimed that Reagan was one of three presidents to carry a concealed weapon.
I've never heard this. The standard Reagan tale that's bandied around is Reagan hearing a woman being mugged outside, and pointed a handgun at the guy from the window of the house he was living in. 1930's, in Iowa I think.
He made it sound like it was in-the-know military secret stuff.
I totally dislike this guy, so I'm not rooting for the fact to be true. But I believe he believes it.
Just as a rule of thumb, ex-military guys who purport to be disclosing "in-the-know military secret stuff" are very often bullshitting.
Damn, what happened? One Republican presidential candidate debate, and allofasudden the thread goes gay.
Hm, the list in 104 as a predictor of husband homotude? Looks pretty solid to me, although I am relieved to know a number of straight men who don't watch sports (although they're all science nerds, so maybe it doesn't count). On the other hand, the no-sports-watching is also the only thing on that list that applies to me, (not counting 6) so I guess I can feel free to marry a chick, complain of headaches at bedtime, and no one will ever know any better.
I've known two couples who divorced after the husband turned out gay. One case was really ridiculously obvious, the other was disguised by the fact that both had been models, so it didn't seem strange that the guy was preeny and into hair gel. Interestingly, he divorced his wife, and 15 years later is still with the very first guy he ever hooked up with, a situation that would worry me if I had anything at stake there.
the no-sports-watching is also the only thing on that list that applies to me
Rats, and I had been picturing you as talking with a heavy lisp.
Well, I do laugh just like Charles Nelson Reilly and wear a mumu around the house, if that makes you feel any better.
That's what I meant to say. And of course, I don't wear it when I'm rollerblading.
Thanks, Ogged, my sister.
Re. the tech bullshit, I had a friend in Amsterdam fix the site; as of today it *should* be working for you crazy people who use IE. Let me know if it's not, and I'll ask you if you want to fix it, b/c I haven't a clue.
Hey, punk, some of us might want to read your blog at work, where some of us have access only to IE.
(Some of us, that is; not I, of course. I don't read blogs.)
Well, let me know if it's not working tomorrow, okay? And I'll start looking around for someone who can code IE, *and* I'll pay for it, just for you.
We chicks are crazy like that.
It does seem to be working in Safari. It's slow--I blame the ads, and may eventually get around to tinkering with 'em to see if I can do something about it--but it does load.
But how long can that last? Surely someone is going to notice the "never dates girls" thing eventually.
You would be amazed at how effective a family's reality filters can be when fully engaged.
So how good a list is 104? Where are all the homos when you need them?
I've only known one guy who came out in the middle of a heterosexual relationship, so sample size, etc., but he did none of those things, was regarded as something of a nympho by his rather exhausted girlfriend and previous lovers and as far as I can tell the thing that made him gay was really, really liking fucking men. My best predictor, therefore, would be serious overcompensation.
I have a theory, which works in my social circle but I don't know how broadly applicable it is, that there just aren't a lot of closet cases younger than around my age (35) unless they have some particular family or social background that makes it particularly difficult being gay (strong investment in conservative religion or something).
Not that coming out is trivially easy for anyone, but somewhere right around when I was in high school, it appears to have gotten easy enough that spending the rest of your life faking straightness stopped being an attractive option for most men.
In other words, I doubt decorating skills or creative salad making as diagnostic of anything sexual-preference related in men born, say, after 1970.
"My best predictor, therefore, would be serious overcompensation."
Unfogged's Top Three GayDar Predictive Factors:
1. Having sex with men.
2. Not having sex with women.
3. Having lots of sex with women.
I would like to see how the Republican candidates handle this issue.
"Heck, I hardly ever have sex with my wife. Don't get me wrong. I bone her hard in a very masculine way. Not up the ass, of course, because that would be gay. But, we definitely do it [the appropriately average number]* of times."
*number modified based on location of speech.
but he did none of those things, was regarded as something of a nympho by his rather exhausted girlfriend and previous lovers
So basically you're saying that JM's boyfriend is gay, right?
143: In the seventies, when people I knew came out—everyone I've met since has already been out when I met them— the struggle was an internal one, not so much revealing to the world as admitting to themselves.
In other words, I doubt decorating skills or creative salad making as diagnostic of anything sexual-preference related in men born, say, after 1970.
Thank you for saying this, because you much more nicely, effectively and intelligently expressed what I actually removed from my own comment on initial preview. Suffice to say, it involved the words "suck my" prior to an extremely unpleasant suggestion.
Coming out these days, AFAICT, is much more about convincing people who don't want to hear it that they have to learn to deal. It's much less a "woe is me, I am teh phr34k!!one!" and much more about getting other people past their own prejudices. I was on the trailing edge of the old model, coming out when I already had glbtq friends but also friends who were pretty uncertain how comfortable they were with themselves and friends who were uncertain how comfortable they were with glbtq people. It was a little - but not a lot, not like thirty or fifty years ago by any wild stretch - of both the external and internalized homophobia. Within a breathtakingly short period it seemed that all the kids younger than me in college were dealing almost exclusively with the external variety.
Clearly Someone's Beau's Bro is dealing with internalized, as well, and lots of people still have those issues, but they aren't the overriding characteristics of the process the way they were fifteen or twenty years ago.
the q in glbtq for queer, encompassing them all and also an attitude towards?
The q is for "queer," yes. I tend to think of it as standing for "anyone I forgot," but it does also denote the reappropriated, positive use of the term.
"Thank you for saying this, because you much more nicely, effectively and intelligently expressed what I actually removed from my own comment on initial preview. Suffice to say, it involved the words "suck my" prior to an extremely unpleasant suggestion."
Touche. I gave some consideration to not posting the list do to some hesitation about joking about gay stereotypes. Obviously, I did not exercise my best judgment.
On a related note, one of the things that endeared me to my gf was/is that her reaction to his confession was one of comfort and compassion. That remains true today. The personal, professional, cultural and familial pressures are better now, but still can be difficult.
it involved the words "suck my"
Another excellent indicator of gayitude.
150: Well, and I think there is a real age issue -- while the list was all stereotypical, it might (I'm actually not clear on this, but it seems possible) get into 'it's funny because it's true' territory for, say, someone who's in their fifties now. In that age group, I could see having made a conscious decision to stay closeted, and then being unable to take it in middle life and coming out then, being a lot more likely.
150: Hey man, it's not your fault I'm having a humorless day. I think this crowd is one of the very last where I would feel oh-so-oppressed, so don't sweat it.
151: I accept this as true.
My gay friend Mark's brother just came out at like 50 last year. He keeps calling Mark asking him "how to be gay" questions. It's quite hilarious. (to me, Mark's getting kind of sick of the calls)
154: "calls" s/b "lessons in the art of love"
151: I accept this as true.
Absolutely. Straight guys don't have to ask.
My experience with this issue mostly involves people around 40.
In Virginia, we recently had an anti-gay amendment pass. I think the campaigning opened up a lot of people's eyes because of the efforts of gays to tell friends and family how that legislation was going to impact them personally. I thought that effort was very beneficial.
It is one thing to discriminate against the great unknown gaydom. It is something altogether different to look at your friends and tell them that they or their children shouldnt have the same rights. "This is how it impacts my son and his partner" or "this is how it impacts my sister and her partner" can be very compelling.
Although the Amendment passed, I think that it would have failed if the vote was three weeks later.
On a related note, prior to that vote, our neighbors had a big party to rally people against the Amendment.
Everyone was gay, except my gf and I. As we met people, I could see them look at me and think, "poor guy hasnt had the balls to come out yet."