Yikes. He really fucked up that one dude.
Oh, and in my professional opinion, it was self-defense all the way.
That site sure has a lot of huge ads for dating services and porn.
All my love, teo, but we've already today reviewed the soul-indicative significance of one's personalized banner image at the top of the page.
Nothing really explicit. Lots of cleavage.
NSFW for ad content, yes. I thought that was staged at first partly because the guys were lining up to get beaten on.
I of course misread "that site" for "this site."
It's SFW. In fact, I'm considering calling SmArtGirl, a hot young single in my area.
If I were to go by the ads, Vienna is just full of chicks with racks like balconies waiting for me. O frabjous day.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if that fight was staged, either. The whole thing seemed so clean.
With a buildup like that, I expect there to be at least some roundhouse kicks.
Better angles and lots of replays here, along with a little Eye of the Tiger soundtrack. You can see an attempted roundhouse kick.
The guy is obviously a boxer and he started the fight. That would be very very bad in the States.
12: But doesn't it look fake to you? Especially the punch that drops the opponent in the middle of his attempted roundhouse kick, at about 1:23 in. It looks to me like a phantom punch. I'll defer to people with actual fight experience, but I can't shake the feeling that this is a fake.
I'm with Tim. The only actual fight I've ever really been close to was on a dark bus, but this looked staged -- there were enough people fighting him to have rushed him en masse, and there isn't any obvious reason they didn't.
You really do think anything cool is fake, don't you? So sad. The kick guy doesn't get punched, he gets pushed when he's mid-kick and in the air and seems to land on his face.
15 is on the wrong thread -- LB is talking about the Virginia Tech shootings.
I'm wearing a skirt, so I get to say this: what, precisely, is cool about this? Is it the fight itself, or the fact that it's videoed, or the fact that it's available online?
It's that there are no women in it, and we find that comforting. Just boys being boys, like the good old days, before women were invented.
Okay, that's a funny and good humored answer. I'm surprised by you, Ogged.
I'm always funny and good-humored. Just don't make me ban you again, Bitch.
Come on, don't deny Ogged his dreams. It was real, Ogged.
15: LB/SCMT, Having been around a lot of fights, this doesn't look staged to me ... rather it looks like the guy in question is the only one who knows what he's doing. Most people don't know how to handle a situation like that, and when you are running on adrenaline it's easy to not think. See how he is carefully backing up, drawing them out. Looks pretty plausible to me. 13 is right, he did throw the first punch but I'm not sure he'd lose `self defence' because they were crowding and pushing him, and he didn't go after anyone, just backed away and knocked them down as they came at him.
Real or fake, though, I don't see anything to celebrate.
"Angel Pagan hit a two-run triple".
This guy should be a cult figure. He should have his own comix and action pictures. He should make porn movies. He should start a cult.
Just don't make me ban you again, Bitch.
You know, this kind of abusive hostility isn't helping you much with that dating thing, I bet.
26: What, you mean that auto/self/magic cockblocking isn't enough?
28: Exactly. B/c there's a small outside chance that the autoselfcockblocking might appeal to the kind of woman who finds geeky awkwardness charming, but then the hostile potential abuser stuff would have exactly the opposite effect. Really, Ogged just needs to decide which demographic he prefers: motherly types, or victims.
There is substantial overlap.
THANK YOU FOR 29. I've been wanting to show that clip to PK the professional chatterbox for ages.
30: Ah, so it's the elusive motherly victim type he's stalking.....
Wikipedia says Cro Cop has a seat in the Croatian parliament.
Mirko Cro Cop Filipovic : Croatia :: Raul Mondesi : Dominican
36 -- "Dominican" s/b "Dominican Republic" for that analogy to work.
You guys are going to have to work a little harder if you want to achieve the dull, brutish poetry of the comments to the video. Keep at it, though, I think it's within your reach.
You mean the video linked to in the main post? I don't see that having any comments thread attached to it.
Oh, maybe you mean the video linked in 34. That has comments, brutish ones they seem to be.
Though the comments to the Dr. Evil video are pretty lame too.
My favorites are probably the comments to the "Old Men Fighting" video.
No, no, Clownæ:, it's like this:
True dat
A kick from crocop would blow your head clean off wit a splat ^^
and no crocop is not out of his prime
he just aint use to the cage
trust me, CroCop will come back and get that title
Couture u watch ur head >;] CroCop comin for ya
Try again.
this looked staged -- there were enough people fighting him to have rushed him en masse, and there isn't any obvious reason they didn't.
I find the implication that it's obvious that people will instantly choose the most optimal action towards achieving their goals to be humorous.
Here we are, at the crossroads, where ogged is obviously about to begin the New Era of Swimfight Blogging, and lo, there are doubters. I stand strong with ogged.
Excellent bonus from the'Old Guys Fighting' video, translated in comments: the delights of Quebecois profanity. Quebecois use "merde" as a mild expletive, but real swearing uses language from the church. "Tabarnac!" is like "Fuck!"
That was some pretty lame swimfighting, Stanley.
Swimfight? That gives me an idea. And sure enough, YouTube delivers.
48: Yeah, I know. The new era cometh; it hath not yet arrived, young teo. Beest thou brave and faithful.
You were just in too much of a hurry. The one in 49 has definitely arrived.
Although I think it may be staged.
50: Yes, definitely better; the era is here! Hooray!
LB/SCMT, Having been around a lot of fights, this doesn't look staged to me
Me either. "Everyone go at him at once" is good if you're in a group of hard guys, but the reality is that most people don't like to get hit, and when the first one in gets his shit ruined, people tend to hesitate.
Also, kicks are for people who are really good, and even then it's iffy. You are not Walker, Texas Ranger. Keep your fucking feet on the ground.
And Walker, Texas Ranger is 67 this year, so everybody: feet on the ground!
56/57: of course --- kicking is for when they're already down.
Eh, if it looks real to other people -- I was mostly reacting to a lifetime of silly movies where the hero beats up a dozen guys because they come at him one at a time. Perhaps they were more realistic than I knew.
Apostropher is in movies? You learn something new every day.
I defer to the monster who delight in the sticky feeling of drying blood. Also, after ogged's comment, I watched past 1:30, and he's right, it does look like the guy went down to a push.
(Note to self: price taser.)
59: No, you're instinct is right, it doesn't happen at all like the movies and all being even one guy against 4 or 5 is hopeless. All things really aren't even sometimes though. Even just being used to the idea of a fight is a tremendous advantage against people who aren't.
And gswift is really right: people don't like to get hit. There's another video I'll have to look for where it's four on one, and they try to go at him all at once, but totally pull back because he's the aggressor and they're all more concerned with not being hit than hitting him.
Here it is. I was wrong, they don't all go at him, they just stand there, cowering.
I love that one. A classic of the genre.
Nope, definitely genuine. Seen something similar dozens of times. It is in the genre "boxer v bunch of cunts", a popular if one-sided style of tournament. All it lacks is one of the mob saying "hey, I know Krav Maga!" or similar, shortly before having his lights punched out.
I saw countless fights almost exactly like that.
In China.
Off-topic, another terrifying video was apparently presented to us under false pretenses.
Follow-up to the Hamas kids video story
re: 66
Yes, I concur with the gentleman from the Council for the Promotion of Wrexham.
re: 56
I'm not 100% sure that's always true. Depending what kind of kicking one does, and how.
Well yeah, not 100 percent. But even for an experienced person, it's very easy to end up on your ass.
re: 71
Yeah, although I know people who can make high-kicking work. As it happens, my style (savate), has a whole array of nasty low-line shin, knee and groin kicks which is as you'd expect given the 19th century 'street' origins of the style.
Amusingly one of the nasty groin kicks is called an 'Italian' kick, which is obviously some Edwardian-era French joke about the perfidious Italians.
I'll have to tell my grandmother (Sicilian) that, she'll love it.
Actually, more accurately the 'l'italienne' is a general stomping kick with the foot at 45 degrees, but the usual target is the groin and it's illegal in usual semi-contact sparring/competition.
Weird, Ogged posts this thread, and tonight I come across a DVD called "Felony Fights", which I haven't seen before. Naturally, there's Youtube clips. Definitely a step up on the brutality scale compared to PSfights, so you've been warned.
The real action on the first one 2:00-3:00.
These guys are taking some pretty good shots to the head.
All it lacks is one of the mob saying "hey, I know Krav Maga!"
I think the guy trying the jumpkick more than makes up for the lack of KM.
re: 75
Definitely a step up on the brutality scale
Yeah, that sort of thing is really not for me at all, I'm afraid. I wouldn't watch anything like that for entertainment.
I think notions of honor caused the guys to get whipped, presumably because they weren't prepared and the single guy was. Six guys rushing from the front would be taking a risk, but coming from six different directions (while whichever two guys were in front were retreating) I think someone like that could be handled. I've never tested this theory, but weaselly fighting would be my specialty if I were a fighter.
78: Silly John. If they all came at him from six different directions, he would simply leap high up into the air and they would all run into each other and knock each other out. You clearly don't know anything about real fighting.
75: The very, very few fights I've seen in real life look more like #2: short, brutal, have real life repercussions, and the guy carrying the weight and who looks a little flabby beats the guy with the six pack. For some reason --maybe because of the length, maybe because I assume a similar amount of brutality in the PS fights, probably a combination of the two--the PS fights seem worse to me.
(Note to self: find out legal limit of taser strength.)
My understanding is that size counts a lot. Every once in awhile a pro boxer wins a championship 20 lbs. or so above his weight, and when that happens the conclusion is a.) that the guy is an all-time great and b.) that the weight class above him was weak.
A big fat guy I used to know said that he could win fights by grabbing on and tiring the other guy out by leaning on him with his extra 100+ lbs. (POlice say that most fights end on the ground).
Pro football linemen are required to be about 50 lbs overweight for that reason (Hall-of-Famer Alan Page was cut because he lost 30 pounds when he saw the health stats -- he's now a MN Supreme Court Justice.)
Also, 80 gets it wrong: it's not the flabby guy vs. the six pack guy; it's the Mexican guy vs. the tattooed white hipster. No contest.
re: 81
The most fights end on the ground thing is received wisdom in some martial arts circles -- specifically those circles frequented by people who have paid large amounts of money to learn 'l33t' ground-fighting skills. In my experience it's total bollocks.
Most fights I've seen end with one guy on the ground while the other guy kicks the shit out of his prone body.
What people mean to say is that most blogspats end up in the gutter. Crucial difference.
Also, I blame the Brits for the popularity of kicking a guy in the head when he's down.
85: Traditionally, "win at all costs" is considered an American characteristic, isn't it?
But we're talking about the post-victory crushing of the skull.
re: 88
A gentleman is never without his bespoke sterling silver skull-press, from Featherstonehaugh and Doyle's of Knightsbridge.
My general sense is that there is no "victory" in a bar fight, only "until next time," so it makes sense to make sure that "next time" is as far away as possible. Head-kicking seems useful to that end.
The felony fight looks about a little like the last bar fight I saw, except that (a) it's significantly more brutal, and (b) both parties know when the fight starts.
A gentleman is never without his bespoke sterling silver skull-press
Bespoke insofar as it's crafted to fit precisely over the to be crushed skull, I assume—though that implies a gentleman is never without a great many skull presses.
re: 91
No, a gentleman never buys off the shelf. The footplate for the press and the ivory turning handle have to be crafted for an individual, and how else would one get one's coat of arms engraved?
Well, I was trying to figure out in what respect it's hand-crafted. Bespoke for silver doesn't make sense, really; it's not like fabric. It's all just silver. But how much customization for a turning handle can there be? Each person's palm is different, sure, but the difference between victims' skulls is no doubt great as well. So the customization I've proposed makes at least as much sense as that you have. But it requires identifying the victim long in advance, and securing his help, even, or at least the relevant head-measurements.
Thus I conclude that the notion of a bespoke skull press is silly.
But the skull press itself is a tool of customization, reducing every skull to the same mush.
Thus I conclude that the notion of a bespoke skull press is silly.
That's no argument against its actual existence or high price.
Like an old line cook friend of mine once said: if you charge enough for it, (white) people will buy anything.
Which lets us connect this thread to the one about the College Humor guys.
93: Not at all; you need merely speak to his haberdasher. Who, if the victim deserves a beating, would doubtless be more than happy to supply the requisite information.
That's if "bespoke" meant "for the victim," rather than "for the crusher," which clearly it doesn't need to do.
But the skull press itself is a tool of customization, reducing every skull to the same mush.
What are you, American? If one starts with a properly fitted press, the crushed remains will retain something of the original character, and this is to be chosen.
98: but what I'm saying is that there's very little that needs to be bespoken on behalf of the crusher. You want your coat of arms? That can be engraved on an off-the-shelf product.
98: But what if a gentleman wanted to crush the skull of a disgusting peasant who doesn't have a haberdasher? Did you think of that? Hmmm??
And, I find your use of the term "victim" to describe that horrible piece of chavscum most provocative and insupportable.
By the way, what's your hat-size?
what if a gentleman wanted to crush the skull of a disgusting peasant who doesn't have a haberdasher?
Gentlemen don't bother to *notice* peasants, and would surely not bother to use a fine silver skullcrusher on them. One need merely release the hounds. At most, one might batter them with one's walking stick.
I find your use of the term "victim" . . . provocative and insupportable.
Talk about class will out. I bet you use the word "genteel."
You know you're in bad shape when you need Fontana Labs to man up your comment thread. Check out Cro Cop vs Randleman.
I bet you use the word "genteel."
I only mention that word, b. There's a distinction, I'm told.
The most fights end on the ground thing is received wisdom in some martial arts circles -- specifically those circles frequented by people who have paid large amounts of money to learn 'l33t' ground-fighting skills. In my experience it's total bollocks.
Most fights I've seen end with one guy on the ground while the other guy kicks the shit out of his prone body.
The other thing they're not mentioning is that taking another guy to the ground is often a good way to have one of his buddies kick you in the head.
I should probably clarify that when I say "come across a DVD", I'm talking about while I work (online auction site). I'm not out buying this stuff.
The cops were talking about generic one-on-one fights, probably between two not-especially-good fighters.
104: I'm ever so pleased that it isn't just me and Sifu that are conversant in Pride Fighting. I'm really looking forward to seeing Emilianenko matched up with the UFC's top names, 'cause lord knows he's got no real competition in PFC.
Wait, I thought the competition was much better in Pride?
Also, fighting in a ring vs. fighting in a cage is a very different scenario.
109: I sort of doubt he's going to have much competition in the UFC, either, but we'll see.
As far as fights going to the ground, the point is less that it's inevitable, than that it's not unlikely, and you can make it happen pretty easily, so if you can fight on the ground you'll have an advantage generally. I would think the popularity of MMA would have made this totally obvious, but maybe people are still having those "yeah but what does BJJ do against my dim mak technique that I can't ever practice because it's deadly?" arguments.
Fighting in a cage means you don't have japanese dudes pushing rearranging you all the time, as far as I can tell.
Naturally, the title of this post reminds me of.
As far as fights going to the ground, the point is less that it's inevitable, than that it's not unlikely, and you can make it happen pretty easily, so if you can fight on the ground you'll have an advantage generally.
Knowing a bit about it is definitely good. But guys who's first recourse is to take someone to the ground are in for some hard lessons if they do that in a bar, club, etc.
re: 115
Yeah, that's right, I think.