Re: Fraud Fraud

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But I like fat chicks!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:10 AM
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Sorry, wrong thread.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:10 AM
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But dead people voted for Kennedy!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:11 AM
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You could go down the page and join the chorus making fun of my dog.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:11 AM
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I think Standpipe was making a joke about fraud; it's well known that s/he doesn't, in fact, like fat chicks, but that claiming otherwise is useful to his/her real ends.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:18 AM
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Meanwhile, voting machines in that contested House district in Florida may have been exposed in a serious security breach (though what the breach indicates about the security stance of their IT staff is way more troubling to me than the breach itself likely was) and nobody gives a shit. LB, is there room next to you on the "Nobody Cared About Outrage 1,000,000, Why Will They Notice 1,000,001" bus?


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:20 AM
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Possible. I just wanted to complain about people making fun of my dog.

I don't really have much to say about the post, except that the linked Slate article is worth reading -- we've talked about all the issues at length before.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:21 AM
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6: Got a link? That one is big -- if the security breach leads to the, what was it, 18,000 missing votes, then that's a clear "Poor security on electronic voting machines actually flipped a Congressional election" story.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:23 AM
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This is a pretty old trick of theirs, though, isn't it. Didn't Rehnquist famously make his bones by trying restrict the number of minorities who would vote in AZ?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:24 AM
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This, maybe?


Posted by: Clownaesthesiologist | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:25 AM
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The article itself is pretty amazing. Is the rise of faceless and scrutiny-soluble organizations a new thing? I'm thinking of groups like the Swift Boaters and ACVF and Concerned Women for America and other groups that clearly exist simply as outraged press release factories with fancy names. I have a feeling that they rose anew with the advent of 527's but my sense of that is really vague and uninformed. Of course there have been groups like the Moral Majority and the like but those at least seemed to have real people involved in them; I'm talking about obvious facades.

(On preview: I'll take a look at Clownae's link and try to dig up one of my own if that's not what I'm thinking of.)


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:29 AM
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On a quick scan, Clown's link looks to refer to a worm affecting the voter registration database -- ugly, but not the missing votes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:33 AM
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10: Yes, that. The thing that tweaks me isn't that there was any risk to the voting machines from Slammer; Slammer is a pretty stupid worm that just spreads and then spreads again. I'm sure someone could make it do more ominous things than that but really it's just a crude irritant. The problem I see here is all the piss-poor stewardship on display: patches for the vulnerabilities exploited by Slammer have been around for years, they didn't report or disclose it as they should have, they explicitly decided to leave themselves exposed until after the election, etc., etc. It is a shining example of very poor decision-making, lousy prioritizing and the absolute absence of transparency in a process that is supposed to be open and documented.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:39 AM
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As LB said, we've covered this before. Checking IDs is probably pretty low grade intimidation, along the lines of that letter about illegals voting in the last election. But ballot security is an issue, if the WA Gov. race informs. I mean really, literally finding uncounted votes days after the election, and just enough to win the recount?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:39 AM
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I take a minority position on the election of '60: to compare the newsreels of the young John F. Kennedy walking the streets of Boston and, judging from the reactions of infants, old ladies, pets and house plants, bringing the light of a new sun with him, and images of the hunched, trollish fgure of Richard Nixon is to wonder how many corpses had to vote Republican even to make the numbers look competitive.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:42 AM
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? Haven't you just described any recount that changes the initial result? If that looks problematic to you, what would any recount be for?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:44 AM
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12: True. It's worth noting, in relation to the missing votes, that one of the things that came out in the course of the discovery of the Slammer incident that the county ignored a bug report from ES&S themselves that may have led to people's votes not being recorded and for a few hours on the first day of no-excuse voting people were turned away from the polls because the Slammer infection rendered the polling places incapable of verifying voter registrations.

Overall, I don't know their network at all so can't legitimately opine as to whether the sort of exposure they apparently found acceptable in one area would apply to all other areas, as well, but organizations generally are terrible at prioritizing. IME, people are either security-minded or they aren't and an organization in which some resources are at risk is likely to have many, perhaps most of their resources at risk. It doesn't draw a direct line to the missing votes but it does further lower the odds I'd give that the county ever manages to sort out those missing votes.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:44 AM
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Ballot security is an issue, and so are voting machines, but the Republican legal assault was not aimed at those. It was fraudulent and intended (and worked as) as voter intimidation, and it was not "low grade" in any reasonable sense of the word. It was real voter intimidation.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:49 AM
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16. No, I think most recounts are tabulation errors. IIRC, the WA Gov race recounted twice and found for the R, but then two boxes of ballots were found and changed the result. Chain of custody issues would be my question, but I really don't have enough dog in this fight to question the people on the ground.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:50 AM
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I just did a quick google to remind myself of the story, and I may still be confused, but if you're talking about the 700 absentee ballots described here it doesn't look as though they were physically unaccounted for, just that they had erroneously failed to be totalled in with the rest of the votes. As you say, a tabluation error.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 9:53 AM
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yeah, too lazy to google it myself. It struck me funny at the time, but if there was no chain of custody issue, then it was just a tabulation error. Probably why I didn't hear any more about it, because there was no there there. Personally, all this nibbling at the margins is a load of BS. Find somebody I can be proud of voting for, as opposed to the lesser weevil.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 10:00 AM
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21 - Except that failing to prosecute anyone for voter fraud in Washington State because there was no evidence of voter fraud in Washington State is apparently what got John McKay fired. There is a multi-pronged Republican effort to get people to just accept, on little to no basis, that there is constant low-level cheating by Democrats (particularly minority Democrats). Tim Johnson's election in 2002 and bullshit allegations of fraud on the Indian reservations in SD is the first time I noticed it, not counting the special case of Florida 2000.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 10:05 AM
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11: there have been a number of posts on Making Light documenting the rise of astroturf (=fake grassroots) organisations.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 10:16 AM
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Is the rise of faceless and scrutiny-soluble organizations a new thing?

When one of my close college friends ran the College Republican organization on our campus, he talked endlessly about the importance of front groups to engage in whatever skullduggeries of the moment were necessary. That's one of the things the CR workshops--directed by the likes of Morton Blackwell and Jack Abramoff--taught their students to do. This administration seems to run things straight out of the College Republican Technology Manual. But I don't doubt that the rise of 527s (as well as internet lists, blogs, and a compliant media) have made these even more effective.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 10:41 AM
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Trots and Commies do this too.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 10:50 AM
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Just without the money and influence.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 10:56 AM
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"Scrutiny-soluble" is very nice.


Posted by: DaveL | Link to this comment | 05-22-07 1:02 PM
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