How come they always go off on New York? We're mostly not deformed.
I've always wanted to go to one of those Bible-themed amusement parks.
Could we have a meet-up at one?
There's a vibrant Australopithecus community in New York.
Actually dinosaurs are from the future. I saw it on Meet the Robinsons.
We're mostly not deformed.
As per a corollary to the Quantum Fetish-Site Theory, as soon as this was typed a webstore sprang into being selling t-shirts that have this very phrase in tasteful script under a silhouette of the NYC skyline.
Anybody else think the placement of Kentucky in the Midwest odd?
I have often opined that New York is home to both the most beautiful and the ugliest people I have ever seen. But Brighton Beach, man--whew. The poles move even farther apart, and there is nothing in the middle.
You'd put it in the South? I don't have an opinion one way or the other, but I'd see it as poised on the border of the two regions.
"I've always wanted to go to one of those Bible-themed amusement parks."
Cool. I'm in for that. Regent U is just down the road from me.
Kentucky's the south, but to be fair this is northern KY, which is awfully close to Ohio.
So I guess the creationist movement has given up on the whole "hire bad scientists to come up with actual intelligent-sounding pseudoscientific theories" project? That Dover trial really was pivotal.
Southern Ohio and Indiana are part of Kentucky, and southern Ohio and Indiana are not part of the South. Therefore Kentucky must be in the Midwest like those two states are.
In other words I belive Kentucky is more similar to OH and IN than it is to Tennessee.
As long as we're on this topic, was anyone else bothered by the recent NYT review of the museum? For reasons I can't put my finger on, I was disturbed. It felt like simultaneously taking it way too seriously, and treating it like a light tourist attraction.
I think mostly I was upset by the placement of the article, in the arts section of the paper.
Eekbeat and I laid plans to visit and put little toy dinosaurs everywhere. "They're littler than people! Just like God wanted!"
Then I heard on NPR that there are actual animatronic dinosaurs interacting with animatronic children. Fucking. Batshit.
Dinosaurs coexisted with humans into the 17th century, as is clearly shown by a literal reading of the work of Thomas Hobbes.
actual animatronic dinosaurs interacting with animatronic children
Proof!
15: Have you ever lived in southern Ohio? Based on my personal experience, it is most definitely the South (aside from Cincinnati). I would put Kentucky in the same category.
Also, I DESPERATELY want to go to this museum. Serious meetup possibilities.
He's clearly talking about the mole people, who live in the subway tunnels.
I googled the museum's location to find out how close it is to Mr. B.'s hometown. Alas, two hours is a little far for a pisstaking junket.
the mole people, who live in the subway tunnels.
C.H.U.D.
Hobbes actually overlooked the mole people. Their independence scared him.
Visiting Regent University accomplishes all of the same things. Plus, the beach is close.
Erroneous translation has long concealed the fact that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a pterosaur.
Southern Indiana/Ohio and Kentucky aren't the south, you bicoastal elitists.
When ordering 'tea' without further elaboration in a Chinese restaurant gets you heavily sweetened ice tea, does that mean you're in the South, or are their other areas where that could happen? (It was in Missouri, which I had previously considered Midwestern.)
a literal reading of the work of Thomas Hobbes Hanna-Barbera.
23: C.H.U.D. references always make me happy.
Elsewhere in the museum, another Adam figure is full-size, if unpainted, and waiting to be installed. This Adam is recliningpeacefully; eventually, if the plans stay true, he will be placed in a pool under a waterfall. As the figure depicts a prelapsarian Adam, he is completely naked. He also has no penis.
[...]
We're all like that statue of Adam now, reclining in a peaceful garden of our own creation, brainless and dickless."
Southern Indiana/Ohio and Kentucky aren't the south, you bicoastal elitists.
They talk like they are.
Kentucky is "probably" Southern.
Also, I was born in Kentucky so it has to be at least a little Southern.
28: It means, at the very least, that you're in a shitty Chinese restaurant. Where in Missouri?
I think Southern-or-not depends on context. Kentucky was a slave state, Ohio and Indiana never were. Wendell Berry's farm is in Northern Kentucky, on the Kentucky River not far from Louisville. His description of his personal and family relation to the race problem seems distinctly Southern to me.
More evidence for the southernness of Kentucky. But not Ohio. Also, Missouri seems to be a misplaced coastal enclave.
38: Interesting that North Carolina appears to have the most "Other" respondents of any state. I suspect this is due to the term "soft drink."
I have family in Orlando, and on past trips I've been seriously tempted to go here, although the ticket prices are a little steep for such a thing.
Kentucky's under the Mason-Dixon line.
Hey, I went to the Confederacy for the first time a week and a half ago!
38: That is genuinely awesome, and as good a way of determining the South as any I've seen.
38. Not shown on the map is the fact that in certain circles in the Greater Boston area all soft drinks are refered to as "tonic". As in "I'll have a case of tonic." "Pepsi or Coke?". Also- what is known as a milkshake elsewhere is a "frappe". Don't ask why.
Don't ask why.
Luka? Is that you?
I live on the second floor, upstairs from you.
44: The map does show that the frequency of 'soda' responses drops noticably in the Boston area compared to the rest of Massachussetts.
44 - Because a milkshake in southern New England is made without ice cream (just syrup and milk, like an egg cream without the soda water). In Rhode Island, a milkshake is a cabinet.
46: Have you been mouthing off again? I heard something last night.
48. When I said don't ask, I also meant don't tell! Do I have to send Luka's parents after you?
In some parts, a milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
49. The ex was a Susan Vega fan. I hate whiny chick singers.
50 - Sorry. I try not to talk too loud.
51 - Try not to act too proud, even if you get the perfect blend.
52: Totally. I assume Luka had it coming.
Snark, I could teach you. But I'd have to charge.
This thread has veered off in a weird direction.
As I've explained, the South includes southern Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, as well as all of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas, and all of the so-called "border states" except Maryland and Delaware.
Cannibalistic!
Humanoid!
Underground!
Dwellers!
CHUD!
Damn, that makes me so happy.
So does the milkshake song. Well done.
Don't believe the hype, FL. It's a chemically hazardous underground dump.
Can it be bought, Heebie?
It's worth noting that there is a blurry Sweet Tea Line that runs (IME) slightly south of the Mason-Dixon. My mental map of Missouri is insufficient to place it in relation to the STL but it might be relevant.
Also, can we just pick and choose what we want from Kentucky (Apo, for instance) and leave the rest? It doesn't need a region, it can just be its own very special thing.
(Apo, for instance)
And let's not forget Old Grand-dad, shall we?
I'm not really of Kentucky (though I'm pleased you'd claim me). My daddy was just in seminary in Louisville, and we moved when I was three. I only have two very fleeting memories of Kentucky.
60: Exactly. I noticed this on many drives to/from NYC.
My favorite failed legislation of the past 5 years was the Georgia bill to require any restaurant serving unsweet tea to also serve sweet tea.
I remember that jarring impact on my ear when after ordering an iced tea in Texas the waitress asked "Sweet or unsweet?" It was like a foreign language. Unsweetened, perhaps? But what was most jarring was the idea of presweetened tea. My fifteen year old self adjusted, and then prefered the sweet tea.
Kentucky is definitely the south. Accents and bourbon. (Mmmm, bourbon.) Kentuckians - especially ones from the northern part of the state - would deck you for saying that southern Ohio and Indiana are just like northern Kentucky, but that's probably because it's true. Still, I'd stick to the claim that KY is the South and IN and OH aren't.
As for Missouri, it's split between South and Midwest. Somewhere around the Missouri river. Cape Girardeau = South. Though not the genteel south, more like the Arkansas south.
If you ask for unsweet tea, does it actually come without sugar, or is it just less sugar?
I know a couple of people from Kentucky. Southern, I'd say. Happy to clear that up.
Parts of Kentucky are very distinctly southern, parts southern-appalachian, and some parts not that southern. This particular museum is in what appears to be a Cincinnati suburb, right across the river from Ohio, and so in one of the most midwestern parts of the state. Also, looking at the soda-map in 38, it's one of the least southern areas.
Ya'll have meet-ups in places where you aren't likely to find access to alcohol? I'm betting this place is pretty close to teetotally against. Although I guess you could meet in a chili parlor across the river in Ohio and just do an afternoon jaunt to the museum.
There's a very odd private museum in Holly Springs, Mississippi called Graceland Too; when you tour it you start out laughing, then start getting creeped out and finally just want outa there. I suspect this creationist museum would be like that, with a lot of potential infuriation thrown in.
Dear God,
Please let this be true.
Your pal,
NCProsecutor
Interesting that North Carolina appears to have the most "Other" respondents of any state. I suspect this is due to the term "soft drink."
sadly, it's even lamer than that:
259 drink
218 soft drink
37 Pepsi
20 tarzan slam
12 dope
10 sodapop
8 co-cola
thas right. it's just "drink".
72: The one poor soul who responded "rc and a moonpie" sounds like some of my relatives.
Cincinnati is pretty Southern, but confusion is caused by the Marge Schott's Nazi flavor. (Marge is Godwin-exempt.)
74: The phrase "Nazi flavor" is going to be stuck in my head for a while now.
I hear the Nazis are lovely this time of year in Cincinnati.
Affectionately called Cincinnazis by the locals, of course.
Heebie's the Cincinnazi kid!
When in the malls of southern Ohio, visit Cincinnazibon, America's only white power bakery chain.
78 -- Think again! ("You haven't had white bread until you've experienced Corner Bakery's white bread.")
How come they always go off on New York?
"New York" is code for "the Jews".
If Cincinnati and New York had a fight, who would win?
It's no coincidence the Creationist Museum was designed by some of the same folks who designed Universal Studios - Shrek in 4-D also offers an alternative view to evolution.
58, have you seen this?
65, you're lucky she even asked.
1.) 44 and 48: 48 explains why Rhode Islanders don't refer to milkshakes as milkshakes, but it doesn't explain the origin of the term frappe. Frappes (and milkshakes) are generally made in blenders, and frappé is a setting on the blender. I don't know why the word frappé describes that particular setting, though.
2.) Apo and any other Southerners. Is there any kind of class issue associated with sweet tea. My godmother is from Northern Florida which I have always understood to be part of the South. She ordered unsweetened tea the other day, and I said, "Not sweet tea?" She said, "No, we were upper class enough, culturally anyway, to drink that. Now, of course, there's a move to embrace soul food and things, but when I was growing up, nobody would have touched it."
Is there any kind of class issue associated with sweet tea.
Never heard of one before.
But it could be that I'm just trashy.
"Southern Indiana/Ohio and Kentucky aren't the south, you bicoastal elitists."
What's wrong with being the South, you Yankee elitist !