And now I'm going to bed. Stop bothering me.
Why is it crazy to make a law that you can't leave shit lying around in wild areas? Seems quite sensible to me.
Now I'm suddenly nostalgic for a certain backcountry loo at 6000+ feet on the Wonderland Trail around Mt. Rainier. Never before or since have I enjoyed such a spectacular view while taking a crap.
You can still take a crap *in that exact spot*, Jesus. You just have to pick up your poop and carry it back down again.
4: There should be a law that you can't "leave shit" in the vague sense, but banning actual shitting in the wilderness is pretty laughable. Bears, etc.
I don't think there are any bears up there, destroyer.
Ogged: objectively not a dog person.
Well, in the non-sexual sense, anyway.
6: Actually, the nice thing about it was the low wall keeping a person's business out of sight while still allowing for a lovely view. Without it, I'd wait to descend a couple thousand feet, both to keep out of sight of my fellow hikers and to avoid the cold wind blowing up my ass. It's mighty exposed up there.
7: This is like the animal rights thread. There are laws against doing all sorts of things that we don't ban animals from doing, because it wouldn't make sense to do so.
Yeah, why shouldn't we sniff the crotches of random new people?
As far as I know there are no laws banning animals from dumping arsenic in the water supply. It makes no sense to ban people from doing it if the animals are allowed.
Or shit on the sidewalk? Really, it's just ridiculous to ban people from shitting in public. Pigeons do it all the time.
Game animals should be entitled to concealed carry permits. Level the playing field and all that.
B: 5, 12, 3. What is wrong with this sequence of numbers? See comment 15.
Here at Unfogged we continue to explore the fine grain of the cultural system of ass-related activity. What is classified as defilement and what as healthy normal activity turns out to be a surprisingly tricky question to answer. Next problem: anal while camping.
What is wrong with this sequence of numbers?
It's nonmonotonic? It's one digit off from being a pythagorean triple?
The animal comparison actually has some bearing here. Human shit is not that different from animal shit. If you're talking about low-density areas, the boy scout practice of walking away from the flow of the watershed and burying it is a bit less polluting than your average bear. In high density areas, the "pack it out" approach makes some sense.
The summit of Mt Whitney is a very high density area, which is why they built the facility there in the first place. I wasn't planning to go back, but it was glorious.
It's funny to think about this, having been put in such a mood by the other thread. It's a different kind of lost youth than the one where we all watched procedural liberalism take down a lawless president. And I guess one it's better to've grown out of.
I can't remember if I used the Whitney toilet.
But I am thankful that if I choose a mate impulsively or indiscriminately and end up with one who wants me to [ ], I can say "[ ]?" and pretend that I'm refusing not from wimpiness, but a surfeit of dignity.
It's like Mad Libs with ogged's sense of self.
There is little better than pooping in the mountains on a beautiful day.
There is little worse than pooping in the mountains in a blizzard.
Ogged is just into defiling Mother Nature. I bet he hates the idea of having to clean his cum off his partner's face too.
Whitney isn't just high density. Once you're above the tree line, it's pretty hard to figure out a way to bury your shit for it to compost or otherwise have a minimal impact. If people just shit right off the trail (which they'd have to in a lot of parts), your march to the glorious heights would be through a field of frozen or rock-hard human turds decorating the granite. If there were thousands of bears routinely walking a single trail on their way to get picnic baskets from Jellystone, we'd probably make a law against bear shit, too.
This has become a big problem in a lot of the most popular mountain climbs around the world, including Everest--the pre-summit high-altitude basecamps have giant mounds of frozen human shit that special expeditions of Sherpas or other mountaineers have to break down and carry out.
special expeditions of Sherpas or other mountaineers have to break down and carry out.
what a way to earn a living (although I dimly remember that a normal day in the life of a Tibetan farmer involves waiting for your yaks to shit and then quickly popping it in a basket for use as fuel, so serves them right for living in the fucking mountains, as Henry IV said to Owen Glendower).
This thread is renewing my principled opposition to tourism in unpopulated areas.
29: They don't allow you to leave your shit on the Eiffel Tower either, Ned.
At least they have places to put it where helicopters aren't required to retrieve it.
Whitney's awesome enough that it's worth it. Although you might have to put up with a marmot watching your indignity.
Are they going to test the shit to see who left it? Or maybe check backpackers' bags to see if they're carrying out a reasonable amount of shit? It's the practicalities that interest me...
The honor system works pretty well in the Sierra, ime.
33- That sounds like the tourism planet in the Douglas Adams universe where so many people came and left that the mass of the planet was noticably changing, so they started making sure you didn't bring or leave any excess matter. The advice was to be sure to get a receipt every time you use the toilet.
Are they going to test the shit to see who left it?
Like ballistics tests on bullets, Science can tell which specific barrel fired it.
25: ptm, Are you successfully moved down here yet? Should we start plotting logistics for a Tobacco Road Meet-up?
The campground at Havasupai has a bunch of port-a-potties. When they fill up they come in with the helicopter and switch them out.
Larry Ziegler! Holy crap! You haven't left a comment in years.
Just when I thought they couldn't make camping less appealing, they get rid of the cans.
They need to airlift it out? Can't they just shit into an oil drum, top it off with kerosene and burn it? That's what used to happen In The 'Nam.