Re: STFU

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Relevant.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 12:51 PM
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Is there some "politicians wear flag pins at all times" norm he's violating that I just didn't know about? I'm having trouble with the back-story here.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 12:53 PM
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Which part of the whole thing, Fobama Labs?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 12:54 PM
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When I was competing in this national moot court competition, me and my partner noticed that all the contestants from a particular school were wearing flag pins on their lapels. My friend was like "what's up with the pins?" and this girl said "well, you can get them on the internet...". My friend said "no, I mean why are you all wearing them?" She kept sputtering. It was pretty funny.

I think they thought it was going to make them look cool/political/official or something. Maybe it worked, I guess; a team from their school won the regional (we came in 4th.. bastards).


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 12:59 PM
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There is no back story, it's a bullshit excuse to attack a Dem candidate. Anyway, I have no doubt they're all going to be recalled for containing too much lead paint. "Vote Obama- the only candidate without brain damage."


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:02 PM
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luckily we have a mere 13 months left. there's no way it could get any more ridiculous in that short amount of time.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:27 PM
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Backstory.

I dunno. I'm inclined to accept this as being, in some sense, a legitimate topic of conversation. It was Obama who chose to make this an issue of principle.

It's a shame that the principle involved seems to have gone unexamined.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:39 PM
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there's no way it could get any more ridiculous

This is a phrase that the cumulative events of the past 6 years or so should have effectively banned.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:42 PM
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I understand Obama pronounces the word "shibboleth" as "sibboleth," too.

I'm considering throwing the much coveted helpy-chalk endorsement to Obama, in part because someone has to beat Hillary, and I don't think Edwards can do it. Does anyone know offhand how he polls against the republican frontrunners?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:51 PM
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I saw Goody Obama dancing with the devil!

Goody Obama has often laughed in church!


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:51 PM
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Wait, do Clinton or Edwards wear flag pins? I thought by now flag pins were universally acknowledged to be the equivalent of yellow ribbon stickers - empty displays of false patriotism by jingoistic right-wing yahoos.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:55 PM
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9: SurveyUSA.

Nicholas Beaudrot summarizes.


Posted by: zadfrack | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:57 PM
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11: I think Obama is getting heat because he openly said that flag pins are empty displays of false patriotism by jingoistic right wing yahoos. Another reason I like him.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:58 PM
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It seems that Edwards's decision to accept matching funds pretty much rules him out as the nominee, right? So it really is a two-person race on the Democratic side.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 1:59 PM
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Edwards's decision to accept matching funds pretty much rules him out as the nominee, right

Only if people decide not to vote for him based on that.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:01 PM
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12: Those are really good numbers for Edwards. But isn't a vote for Edwards right now a vote for Hillary?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:01 PM
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Yeah, if he wins he'll have less money for the summer, but not no money. I can't see that as insurmountable.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:02 PM
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You should probably ignore the polls this far out. Vote for who you like best.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:02 PM
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13: The most heartening thing about Obama, to me at least, has been his tendency to make off-the-cuff remarks that are remarkably reasonable, and that drive the lunatic Beltway consensus apeshit. If his "gaffes" are in fact indicative of his instincts, then he's one of the good guys.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:03 PM
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Yes, but I'm tired of voting for people like Kucinich.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:04 PM
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I was assuming you were reasonable in the first place, helpy-chalk*. My bad.

*I outsource Kucinich-hating to snarkout; take it up with him.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:07 PM
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You should probably ignore the polls this far out.

Can we agree this is true for all values of 'this far out'?


Posted by: cw | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:14 PM
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if he wins he'll have less money for the summer

The campaign has said that he's only accepting matching funds for the primaries, not the general election.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:17 PM
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He can't use general-election funds until he's officially nominated at the convention.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:20 PM
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24: Could the party reschedule the convention for a hotel room somewhere in early April to get around that technicality? They could still have the giant useless party thing with the journalists later on.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:27 PM
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Right, the problem is the dead time between the end of the primaries and the convention. I actually don't think this is huge -- he's worrying about swing voters, mostly, and I don't think they're really paying attention until the end of summer anyway. If he runs a strong primary campaign, he won't lose Democrats by being quiet for a couple of month.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:28 PM
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If he runs a strong primary campaign, he won't lose Democrats by being quiet for a couple of month.

He will if the press says he will. Which they will. "Why is he not fighting back against the Swift Boat Fags For Haircut Truth ads? Doesn't he realize how wimpy that makes him look?"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:30 PM
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"I don't think they're really paying attention until the end of summer anyway"

The doldrums are when the opposition start the Swift-boating. Unless there is a missing white woman, oppo research shit is the only story around in July & August. And the Boys & Girls on the Bus are bored outta their minds by that time.

Swiftboating in summer, then the War in September.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:36 PM
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To be fair, I'm not sure there's evidence that actual voters give a crap. There are plenty of problems with real voters, but they're infinitely preferable to the Imaginary American Voter that lives in the pundits' heads.

Obama's has a fantastic week as far as I'm concerned.

Sept. 28: great speech on inequality in the justice system--discusses the possibility of reforming mandatory minimum sentencing laws, & the need to improve public defenders.

Oct. 2: great foreign policy speech. My personal favorite is the part about a national declassification center.

Oct. 3: good response to the Blackwater thing; even better that he already had a bill on this in February.

Oct. 4: blocks a terrible nomination for the Federal Election Center.

Oct: 4: responds immediately to the reports of Torture memos 2.0 & 3.0 in language forceful enough to satisfy me.

If he keeps this up for another week--or does nothing to seriously annoy me or backtrack, at least--I think I'm going to finally buy that bumper sticker.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:42 PM
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oops, the second link about his response to the torture memo thing is wrong--here's the text:

Well, I think that this is an example of what we've lost over the last six years and what we have to recapture. You know, all of us believe we've to track down and capture or kill terrorists who threaten America, but we have to understand that torture is not going to either provide us with information, and it's also going to create more enemies. And so as a strategy for creating a safer and secure America, I think it is long wrong-headed, as well as immoral.

So I wish that was surprised. I don't think I'm that surprised. I think this administration basically viewed any tactic as acceptable, as long as it could spin it and keep it out of the public eye.

And I think that we've got to do a thorough investigation on this.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 2:47 PM
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I'd really like to see a snap poll of the electorate taken tomorrow to see if more people are familiar with the most basic facts of yesterday's torture memo 2.0 and 3.0 story (which I would say are "When a previous legal opinion authorizing the use of so-called 'harsh interrogation techniques' became public, the President disavowed it. Shortly thereafter, he secretly got another such opinion authorizing the same conduct.") or the Obama doesn't wear enough flair story.

If the results are what I predict they'll be, I then want some people who choose what stories get how much coverage to take long walks off short piers. Though it's not totally their fault, the torture memo story just is more complex than the unacceptable lack of jewelery story.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 3:31 PM
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No, it's totally their fault. They get paid reasonably well to do this. There are a lot of people who want those jobs--it's a job I couldn't get if I wanted it.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 3:37 PM
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@29: I'm glad he's stepping it up; I want to support him and think he's the most talented of the frontrunners. It's probably easier, as I've suggested before, for him to take good foreign policy and civil liberties positions than it is for HRC, but thems the breaks.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 3:54 PM
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I think I'm going to finally buy that bumper sticker.

They give those things away.


Posted by: hermit greg | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 3:57 PM
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Really? Then why am I spending all this money on wallpaper?!?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 3:58 PM
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It's probably easier, as I've suggested before, for him to take good foreign policy and civil liberties positions than it is for HRC, but thems the breaks.

Why? They're both senators who feel pressure to not act too different from a white male.

I could see that making sense if it's because HRC is more beholden to people who will insist that she take bad positions.

Now Edwards, there's a guy for whom it's easy to take a good position on something.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10- 5-07 4:00 PM
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