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Think of all that space and effort that would have been wasted if they'd written a piece about the mayoral candidates' platforms and experience! Another win for the NYT.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:49 AM
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Such is the power of the New York Times that I heard this inane story discussed, without irony or sarcasm, on Air America yesterday evening.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:50 AM
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I blame Freakonomics for this unfortunate column.

How long before parents with N-Z surnames start changing their names in order to give their kids a competitive edge?


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:56 AM
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The problem with developing a habit of critical thinking is that you read a story like this and you risk having your head explode. So jam-packed is this story with nonsense that it's almost beyond critique. One just doesn't know where to start.

This, by the way, is also my theory of why critical thinkers were unable to forestall or mitigate George W. Bush's political success.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:56 AM
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Just to merge threads, I saw an economics paper about this somewhere. Econ authors are typically listed in alphabetical order, so when you refer to "Bubba et al", folks with lexicographically earlier names become more well known. So these guys did some statistics to look for an alphabetical effect in faculty appointments or something.


Posted by: ptm | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:57 AM
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"Here's the point," Professor Krosnick said, invoking the name letter effect in a phone interview. "There are more people out there who prefer letters in the first half of the alphabet because there are more people with last initials in the first half of the alphabet. So that advantages all these candidates whose names are early in the alphabet."

Or maybe... since there are more people out there with last initials in the first half of the alphabet, there are more candidates with last initials from the first half of the alphabet? Just a thought.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:57 AM
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There are so many unexplored angles to this story, I hope they expand it into a series:
- What is the signficance of the number of syllables in the candidates' names?
- Does a terminal vowel in the surname help or hurt a candidate, statistically speaking?
- What explains the bias against 2nd half of the alphabet candidates, and why did it emerge at the precise moment it did?
- Why is the same phenomenon not recognizable in Presidential elections?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:57 AM
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But think of all the desperately important things about candidates that continue to go unremarked! Like eyebrow size, or toe length, or... okay, that's the list. I can't think of anything else that hasn't been considered by the NYT to be absolutely key to winning elections.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:58 AM
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Fuck! Pwned!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:58 AM
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Candidates with names beginning with numbers or symbols haven't done very well either, historically.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 6:58 AM
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Maybe a certain candidate should change his name to "Barack O. Bama".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:00 AM
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5: No doubt this research was done in order to explain the puzzle of Milton Friedman's prominence.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:01 AM
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Candidates with names ending with numbers or symbols, however, have been in power in most of the world for most of human history. George III, for example.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:01 AM
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6,7: Someone needs to research how having an early-alphabet initial led to greater reproductive success on the veldt.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:03 AM
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re: 14

People with shorter names clearly had an advantage on the veldt as their names could be shouted in warning ['Bob, a tiger!'] more quickly. This is why Sri Lankans settled in Ceylon, the lack of veldt meant their names were not a handicap.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:11 AM
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I'm actually interested in the extremely stupid and subconscious things that influence elections, because they let us know how imprecise democracy is. The candidate listed first on the ballot generally gets a 5% advantage, which is why some counties shuffle the order randomly from ballot to ballot. If more counties in Florida did this, rather that list candidates alphabetically, Gore would have beaten Bush.

Apologies if this was mentioned in the article. I didn't read it. I just wanted to put in a little push for some Freakonomics style sociology.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:14 AM
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Also, there is a long tradition in Chicago politics of changing your name to match the ethnic group of the district you are running in, which is why Chicago ballots are full of fun names like Stanislaw Wozzencheckski and Shamus McDuglan


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:16 AM
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I look forward to the numerology installment.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:24 AM
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17: Like this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:28 AM
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Maybe a certain candidate should change his name to "Barack O. Bama"

Helping him in one of those Southern states that he said black voters would put into play for him, as well.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:33 AM
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16: You need to read this - it's really amazing. It actually fails to mention ballot position.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:40 AM
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Candidates with names ending with numbers or symbols, however, have been in power in most of the world for most of human history. George III, for example.

Your example ends in the letter "I", which is a letter, not a number or symbol.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n's understudy | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:45 AM
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'Bob, a tiger!'

But they had commas? I find your theory unconvincing.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:46 AM
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22: Pronounced "Jorj Eee."


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:52 AM
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Why do we never hear about the first nine members of the Malcolm dynasty?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 8:03 AM
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That's it - I'm changing my last name to Aaa. Just Aaa. No bitching about spelling, always first in the phone book, always first in line, etc.

max
['Maybe that's too long.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 8:05 AM
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26: Who's going to be your running mate?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 8:16 AM
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19: Reached at his Chicago law firm -- Hughes, Socol, Piers, Resnick and Dym...

The guy in question being Dym.

Having your name at the start of the alphabet was essential on the veldt because when they caught a mastodon they worked down the bush telegraph directory, signalling people to come to the barbie. And there's only so much meat on a mastodon.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 8:18 AM
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Then there's the area of sports. Success, or at least recognition, is greatly enhanced by having a name with an "oo" sound.


Posted by: Mo MacArbie | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 8:20 AM
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26: Who's going to be your running mate?

B!

max
['Of course.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 8:29 AM
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Econ authors are typically listed in alphabetical order

This is generally true in linguistics as well, much to the consternation of Arnold Zwicky.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 9:18 AM
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31: He should change his name to "Arnold Z. W. Icky".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 9:30 AM
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16: There's at least one really interesting case in which a losing candidate tried to get the results overturned because the district didn't follow it's own name-rotation rules and he was within the margin potentially caused by ballot-order effects. I'm fairly certain he lost and can't remember much else about it.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 9:33 AM
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I just got an alphabetical list of current members of the House of Representatives. A-M covered the first 291 names.

Of the 14 presidential elections held since the Truman administration's waning days in 1952, first-half-of-the-alphabet candidates won 10 times.

14 * (291 / 435) = 9.3.

But why let that get in the way of a good story?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 9:49 AM
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OK, I suppose that sample might be subject to the same effect. Still, inane.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 9:59 AM
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But, of course, your brain doesn't store the alphabet in an iterable; you can randomly address it. Pshaw, there goes another veldt theory - that of the apes struggling to save Vic from the tiger (".........
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......Vic, a tiger!")
until evolution invented quicksort.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 10:04 AM
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That's a creative calculation to apply.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 10:16 AM
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There's circumstantial evidence that names in places with a high Anglo population tend to be front loaded anyway, Smith notwithstanding. Last time I lived in the great wen, the first two volumes of the phone book were A-D and E-K, and the last two were L-R and S-Z.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 10:27 AM
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Maybe a certain candidate should change his name to "Barack O. Bama".

Likely response: "That guy who played the Hulk is running for what?"

(OK, "likely" is putting it too strongly. Still, I know I thought that would too much like Eric Bana.)


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 10:32 AM
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My Dad had a business at one point, and he chose a name that started with the letter 'A' so that it would be one of the first entries in the yellow pages.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 10:38 AM
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their names could be shouted in warning ['Bob, a tiger!'] more quickly

I adored the story Rikki Tikki Tembo when I was a child. Apparently I still do.

Poor little Rikki-Tikki-Tembo-no-sa-rembo-chari-bari-ruchi-pip-peri-pembo had such a long name that when he fell into the well, his friend couldn't call the alarm sensibly enough without running out of breath, so Rikki Tikki Tembo didn't get rescued in time.

Apparently there are variations on the name. The one above I danced about the house sing-songing (had a record reading the story aloud to accompany the book).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikki_Tikki_Tembo


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 10:53 AM
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OK, second time around with the alumni directory of my graduating class. This should be biased the other way if anything, with all the Qiaos and Wangs and Yangs. 63% are


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 11:27 AM
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In Scandinavia about 1975 Don Cherry (of Ornette Coleman) did an avant-garde-jazz / proto-world-music version of Tikki-tikki-tembo. It was tremendous fun.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:48 PM
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The Tikki-tikki-tembo wiki is silly. Tikki-tikki-tembo is American pop folk, whether or not it is based on something Japanese or Chinese. And inaccurate, inexact transmission is what folk tales are all about.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:54 PM
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44: How square am I? I dig the Shari Lewis version.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-17-07 7:58 PM
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