Re: Jonah Golberg: beyond parody

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So if you're scoring at home* we've moved from

From Hitler to Hillary Clinton

to

From Hegel to Whole Foods

to

From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning.

*In which case you definitely aren't Jonah.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:46 PM
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What happened to From Marx to March of the Penguins?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:47 PM
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I believe you mean Liberal Fascism: The Totalitarian Temptation from When I Got My
Advance Until I Finally Hand in the Manuscript in 2011
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Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:48 PM
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In a few more months he'll have the subtitle done and can start on the prologue.


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:49 PM
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It's a fun structure, though: From Tojo to Tinky-Winky; From Stalin to Stretch Classes; From Frederick the Great to Fred the Furrier... you could do it all day.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:50 PM
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Whenever I feel an urge to write a book about how much I deserve a thorough beating, I lie down until it goes away.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:51 PM
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Its just like those libtards to politicize meaning.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:54 PM
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Isn't the "politics of meaning" a failed meme, unlike Whole Foods and (sad to say) Hillary?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 1:57 PM
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The Authoritarian Impulse from Sorel to Spielberg.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:00 PM
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From the book description:

...and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life.

From David Brooks's latest op-ed:

This is not liberalism, which inserts itself into the crannies of life.

It's all about the liberal cranny state.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:02 PM
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from Hammurabi to Ham on Rye


Posted by: Mo MacArbie | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:04 PM
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It's all about the liberal cranny state.

Bet your ass it is.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:04 PM
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My house would be so much cleaner if I could get that damn liberalism of mine out of the crannies.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:04 PM
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From Carl Schmitt to Mark Schmitt


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:08 PM
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Isn't it characteristic of liberalism not to espouse a nooks-and-crannies sort of view? IS IT NOT?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:08 PM
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Ogged didn't know this, so maybe you didn't either

That's good logic. Now what's this Family Circus I keep hearing about?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:16 PM
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What does Mussolini have to do with the American left? I'm not sure I understand.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:17 PM
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Nooks and crannies are the basis of Anglo-Saxon conservativism, such as that espoused by Edmund Burke or Samuel Bath Thomas.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:18 PM
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17: Like a suspiciously large number of leftists, his first name began with a "B."


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:20 PM
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I would like somebody to write Iberian Imperialism: The Interventionist Impulse from Henry the Navigator to Dora the Explorer.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:21 PM
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Speaking of subtitles, what's the deal with the Saiselgy subtitle?

Is it HEADS IN THE SAND: How Republicans Screw Up Foreign Policy and Foreign Policy Screws Up the Democrats.?

Or Heads in the Sand: Iraq and the Strange Death of Liberal Internationalism?

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/title.php

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/bio.php


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:21 PM
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21: Hey, that's not one of the titles we proposed here.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:22 PM
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What does Mussolini have to do with the American left? I'm not sure I understand.

It goes something like this: Mussolini made the trains run on time, and liberals would rather you take the train than drive an SUV.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:23 PM
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Brock, how could you be expected to understand? It's a very serious, thoughtful, argument that has never been made in such detail or with such care. You'll just have to wait to read the book (wait for Jonah to write it, that is).


Posted by: neil | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:24 PM
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What does Mussolini have to do with the American left?

He's trying to avoid a Godwin's Law situation while still being able to equate the Democrats with Fascists. Doesn't make it any less silly, of course.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:24 PM
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17: Nobody does.

That is why we are all so feverishly anticipating Jonah's book that will explain it to us.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:24 PM
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What does Mussolini have to do with the American left? I'm not sure I understand.

Mussolini broke his weenie, and American liberals have surrendered to castrating feminists.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:25 PM
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What does Mussolini have to do with the American left? I'm not sure I understand.

If it were obvious, it wouldn't be a secret history, would it?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:29 PM
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The secret history of American Lilliputianism: From Nooks and Crannies to nooky with Granny.


Posted by: Bryan | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:37 PM
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Mussolini broke his weenie

"Mussolini on yer weenie" was a favored taunt when I was a kid. We only had a vague idea of the purpose of weenies and an even vaguer idea of who Mussolini was, but it sounded gross. Jonah's got a lock on that demographic.

And speaking of Hitler! Hitler! Hitler! Mussolini! Mussolini! Mussolini!, Young Americans For Freedom at Michigan State University invited a MBNP member to speak during Islamofascism Awareness Week.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:44 PM
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From the March on Rome to the March on Washington

From Blood & Soil to Blood, Sweat & Tears

From the Beer Hall Putsch to Microbreweries

From Mein Kampf to... awww, fuck it, this is like shooting fish in a barrel


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:49 PM
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Didn't we already play this game? Wherefore art thou, apostropher?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:51 PM
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It's all about the liberal cranny state.

You sure it's not the liberal tranny state?


Posted by: spaz | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:52 PM
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Mussolini! Mussolini! Mussolini!, Young Americans For Freedom at Michigan State

At the risk of a certain linked commenter dropping his pants, I thought that Roderick Spode was one of a sign Wodehouse's genius. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_Spode


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:52 PM
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The College Republicans at my college invited David Horowitz.

The best part was reading the backstory of Horowitz and my college, in which he refused to pay for an ad he purchased there because they chose to run an editorial distancing themselves from it.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:53 PM
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Conservative Onanism: The Secret History of Bed-Wetting Nepotists from Cheetos to Chalabi


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:53 PM
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Previous Goldberg title thread here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:54 PM
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Wherefore art thou, apostropher?

"Wherefore" means "why."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:54 PM
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I was quoting his front page.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 2:55 PM
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Re: previous Goldberg title thread. Katherine's From Birkenau to Birkenstocks is wizard cocksucker.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:02 PM
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35: And this college is located in.... (give us a hint)


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:03 PM
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You're a Princetonian, Destroyer? I thought you went somewhere with an awesome name, like Philander Smith College.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:04 PM
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Where's the official Halloween thread? I want to boast about my pumpkin.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:07 PM
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I should order the damn thing already.

Please don't. If enough people order, he'll actually write it and deprive us of all the fun we're having..


Posted by: Cangrejero | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:11 PM
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From Kinder, Kueche, Kirche to Godless Whole Foods Homos.

41: On that earlier occasion, Horowitz described Princeton students as "little left-wing fascists". Eternal return is for real, people!


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:11 PM
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I still like "From Birkenau to Birkenstocks".


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:12 PM
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oops, didn't see 40.

What's his problem with Michael Lerner? And why is he so bad at alliteration?



Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:14 PM
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47: "Because he's an idiot" is usually the place to start on "why?" questions regarding Jonah Goldberg.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:20 PM
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How many "Star Trek" references will there be in this book? The worl may never know.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:23 PM
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"worl" s/b "Worf"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:24 PM
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What does Mussolini have to do with the American left? I'm not sure I understand.

American leftists are supposed to be inclined to relativism.


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:28 PM
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From Kinder, Kueche, Kirche to Godless Whole Foods Homos.

My German ex told me that the contemporary version of the "Three K's" was "Kultur, Klamotten, und Karriere" (culture, clothes, and career).


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:28 PM
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18: Nooks and crannies are the basis of Anglo-Saxon conservativism ...

That explains it ...

(Maybe.)


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:38 PM
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I can't believe the title of this thread. It should be "Jonah Goldberg: Conservatism's Gift To Parody".


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 3:41 PM
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From Virgil to Virginity: Why I Still Haven't Lost Mine: Oh God Won't Someone Just Touch Me Already


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 4:09 PM
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The link in 24 is astounding. What a pompous little snot.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 4:14 PM
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More of a pompous pudgy snot, really. Not that there's anything wrong with that. The pudge, I mean.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 4:39 PM
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Seriously, any of us could write this book better, and quicker, than J. Gold.

I renew my request that we establish a hack right-wing persona, write a book, make a ton of money, give it to charity, unmask ourselves and have a ball.

There was a soft-core porn stunt like this back in the 1970s, which I'm too lazy to Google, which probably involved Gore Vidal.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 5:10 PM
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There was a soft-core porn stunt like this back in the 1970s

Ironic porn?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 5:14 PM
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I've actually thought about doing that on an individual level, but I don't think I could pull it off for the time it would take.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 5:16 PM
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60 is to 58, I renew my request that we establish a hack right-wing persona, write a book, make a ton of money, give it to charity, unmask ourselves and have a ball.

but I'm sure that won't prevent the obvious jokes.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 5:17 PM
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book remembered in 58

Not to be confused with Opus the Penguin's steamy memoir, Naked Came I.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-07 5:17 PM
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re: 58

That's a great idea. Like a Luther Blissett/Wu Ming set up.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-31-07 1:43 AM
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Does anyone else get the feeling Goldberg is turning into a conservative version of Jack Nicholson's character in The Shining?

Just with titles rather than "All work and no play.." He's mother fixated enough.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-31-07 2:26 AM
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Does anyone else get the feeling Goldberg is turning into a conservative version of Jack Nicholson's character in The Shining?

Just with titles rather than "All work and no play.." He's mother fixated enough.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-31-07 2:27 AM
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What odds will someone give me that Goldberg changes the title again?


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 10-31-07 3:10 AM
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No odds from me - Yorkshiremen don't lay on certainties.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-31-07 3:18 AM
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Okay, I'm sold: I'm pre-ordering the book from amazon.com. The link in 24 has had me laughing for a week, and now I'm convinced this book will be comic gold. Also, this:

"The modern heirs of this "friendly fascist" tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn't an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore."

So awesome.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 11- 5-07 6:06 PM
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