People get prettier when they get blurrier.
1: Well sure, but I enjoy drinking a hell of a lot more than I enjoy taking off my glasses.
Notice how Velma always lost her glasses, but never her sippy flask?
Because I think ttam nattarGcM will be here eventually - your lentil recipe in the Yupped Up food thread below is fantastic, thanks.
"recent research" in the sense of five bloody years old mate.
Yglesias linked to someone who saw it quoted in a book, and yeah, I've since found the original cite from a conference in 2002.
Well, look at his competitors at The Atlantic.
I don't know who "he" is or what "it" is, but I'm guessing the answer is going to be "we're all drunk."
I'm with Yggls on this one. When I'm drunk, no one looks better.
I wonder if everyone in the study was drunk, or just the lookers and not the lookees.
People get prettier when they get blurrier.
A blur or low-pass filter would tend to hide small-scale blemishes that might be otherwise offputting. I wonder if you did a similar test with blur-filtered and unfiltered pictures of MOTAS, and no alcohol, if you'd get similar results, or if there are other factors here.
Has Yglesias ever been drunk?
Has ogged ever been drunk? And if so, by whom?
I think there's a better link than that one for my point, but can't find it now.
I tend to find that women become more attractive when I'm drunk, but this is only true when the women are also drunk.
They become so blurry, they aproach an eigenface!
There is a third, horribly offensive theory, proposed to me by the douchey hedonist I've mentioned previously: "When you're drunk, dude, you don't wanna have a girl you need to be gentle with. You want cushion for the pushin'."
I hope your college experience has been everything you hoped it would be so far, destroyer.
w/d, I almost noted in the post that I've had about three beers in the past three years. However, much of my college career was spent drunk off my ass.
Off to see The Coach...
18: I've stopped running in the same circles as that guy, at least.
"When you're drunk, dude, you don't wanna have a girl you need to be gentle with. You want cushion for the pushin' a dude. You know what I'm sayin'? Dude?"
15: baby, you're closer to the mean of human appearance than any ever seen *hic*
Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.
...I'm struggling to make a joke about hunger being the best pickle.
Hey pretty lady, is your daddy an optometrist? 'Cause I'm having trouble here.
24: whoooo-eee, you are one high dimensional vector.
That's nothing; you should apply a raising operator to my ground-state.
You know, it's always embarrassing when my quest to escalate a series of dumb quotes make me realize I've almost totally forgotten something I really had ought to know.
Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.
I'm gonna go with that theory. It explains a much wider spectrum of behavior, including the tendency for pairs of already acquainted people to jump in the sack when drunk.
I think it's also a fair hypothesis that heightened horniness unrelated to drinking also increases the perceived attractiveness of others.
Now who wants to design a study to disentangle the effects of alcohol and horniness on perceived attractiveness? Let's assume for the sake of argument that no Human Subjects Review Committee need sign off on it.
27: non-coherent ... entangled state ... no communication [theorem].
(That's the best that I've got.)
Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.
that's totally it. Inhibitions drop, sex is more fun, and opposite sex faces take on that glow of promise.
sex is more fun
What? You mean "sex with unattractive strangers," I can only hope.
32 gets it right.
While drunk I've made out with people I hadn't made out with before, but would have been scared to have sex in that incompetent state. My feeling was "finally, the inhibitions are falling! maybe she's finally my girlfriend!"
33: you know, I've always been puzzled about whether it's appropriate to call a horse your "girlfriend," too.
I think this will sound fairly terrible of me but I actually noticed the beer goggles materializing the other night, while I was knocking out a sixer and some with a friend of mine. It was no observation about her, truly. But from the safe analytical remove of abstinence I could kind of see it happening to myself.
I would imagine an increase in fun would mostly be a result of reduced inhibitions carrying over into the bedroom.
Marijuana seems to more directly increase carnal pleasures, but i haven't found it to favorably impact the chance of such encounters.
I'm sure she finds you attractive when she's sober, Smash.
Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.
This is what it would be for me, at least. Not so much that other person's attractiveness increasing but any port in a storm. Or, uh, whatever the reverse of that would be... ship docking.
If you lot had studied at the feet of Homer, you'd know that beer opens your Inner Eye, and allows you to see the true beauty of the people you're with. That's why you're constantly telling the your friends how awesome they are, how much you love them, etc. Of course the women get more attractive.
I think all drinking does for me is lower the feeling like having sex with someone will "complicate" things. So yeah, it makes friends more attractive, but not, like, better-looking. Just less inaccessible. I haven't ever really acted on that impulse, though, so I don't know what I'm talking about. I really don't do things drunk that I didn't want to do sober.
re: 4
Thanks!
Incidentally, re: puy lentils, this recipe is bloody delicious.
Never thought I'd like cold peas, but it totally works.
42: And it has instructions that contain the words 'enthusiastic simmer'!
Being drunk helps a bit with confidence, too.
38: any storm in your port?
I hear tawny is getting increasingly unfashionable.
It's one of those great 1970s Barry White tracks. The Love Unlimited Orchestra funking away, basso voice rumbling "I'm gonna get you at an enthusiastic simmer, baby."
Two hundred and forty dollars worth of cold peas?
47: you know baby, I got these lentils, and baby I just want you to simmer with 'em baby, simmer all night long.
40: The dynamics are likely much different when dealing with friends/exes rather than strangers/minor acquaintances. Possibly that the horniness and lowered inhibitions overwhelm a lack of attraction in the latter cases and a fear of complications in the former.
Or we just become less neurotic temporarily.
Puy lentils are the sexiest lentils.
Enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus
Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama
Oh dear, immediately after de-lurking I become the nerd that stays on-topic after everyone else.
I was so guilty of beer goggling in college that there was an active betting pool regarding my "dates", and an intervention squad that deployed regularly. Good times.
55: your opinion looks wonderful from here, sexy lady. Comment here often?
(thud)
Around here beer goggles lead to beer googles.
58: not immediately understanding you, I imagined "Beluga!" was the sound the "you're wrong!" horn made.
Wrong! (beLOOOOOOOga!)
58: not even if I call them lentilles du Puy?
I disagree anyway. Oh, they're small and black. Big deal. Lentilles du Puy taste awesome and their color is far better.
I just have regular brown lentils and little red ones.
64: But while lentilles du Puy merely make a good-tasting olive-colored broth, belugas make a gorgeous, earthy-tasting ruby-red/purple broth in which one can make extraordinary grains, like millet.
Lentils are overrated. There, I said it.
At this very moment, I'm eating homemade kik alicha because I'm so sick of lentilles du puy right now.
I tend to stick to green split peas or blackeyed peas. Cook to death with a ham hock, add lemon juice, serve!
Death By Ham Hock is a mysterious and fascinating concept.
A variation on that story where the woman kills her husband with the frozen leg of lamb and then cooks it up for the police officer.
71: the proof is in the split peas!
I tend to stick to green split peas or blackeyed peas. Cook to death with a ham hock, add lemon juice, vinegar serve!
That there Yankee book larnin' has done gone and made ya' all high-falutin', ain't it, Blume?
I question the rigor of your collective drunk studies. Clearly, the subject experiences blurred vision, lowered inhibitions, and impaired judgment.
What remains to be studied is whether these effects are merely additive, or if they are synergistic.
Pea soup is what you do with the ham hock after Christmas or Easter.
We actually didn't eat blackeyed peas when I was growing up. Only vegetables you can put cream in! Especially lima beans.
"Lambent Cactus" is a pretty cool name.
And is right about the need to demonstrate whether the effects were additive or synergistic. Also, was there a dose-response effect between the independent variable of alcohol intake and the dependent variable of...sextacularity?
Lambent, are you any relation to Françoise?
77: tell us about the Jell-O molds.
You can also put cream in those! Jello with cream! and canned fruit!
Black-eyed peas had a special place in my house, especially on New Year's Day. I blame this particularly shitty year on the lack of BEPs at a crucial moment.
Only vegetables you can put cream in! Especially lima beans.
One of my theories of cooking is that there is no food that can't be improved by the addition of cream. I have heard putative exceptions to this theory, but none that I found plausible. I'll get called a blasphemer in these parts for saying it, but I think cream has a stronger claim to universal complementarity than even bacon.
I'm so sad that I missed The Days of Drunk Ogged. In a way, I can imagine; in another, I completely can't. Stupid heart flutter thingie.
I had lentils for dinner tonight. They were good.
Also, I've always found alcohol to have a negative effect on horniness. Inhibition-lowering, yes, but in terms of physiological response, not so much. I was talking to my sister about this once (which was exactly as awkward as it sounds) and she thought I was crazy.
Also, I've always found alcohol to have a negative effect on horniness
That explains so, so much.
There's not some sort of zone, where you get at least some slight inhibition lowering without the physiological effects?
My old roommate remained a virgin until age 26 in part because alcohol lowered her inhibitions, but it also made her fall suddenly and adorably asleep.
but in terms of physiological response, not so much.
Ask your sister to ask you if you've read Macbeth. Also.
Jello with cream! and canned fruit!
Just don't forget to spray the inside of the mold with Pam (TM) cooking spray beforehand!
Next week on Red State Kitchen: making pies with Cool Whip and Jello Pudding.
There's not some sort of zone, where you get at least some slight inhibition lowering without the physiological effects?
No, there is, and that's the sweet spot I try to hit. My low tolerance makes it a little difficult, though.
One of my theories of cooking is that there is no food that can't be improved by the addition of cream.
This is related to my theory that any food can be improved by the addition of fat.
Apparently I have been doing this whole drinking thing wrong. My inhibitions tend to go up when I am drunk.
Ask your sister to ask you if you've read Macbeth.
I have actually read Macbeth.
Also, I've always found alcohol to have a negative effect on horniness. Inhibition-lowering, yes, but in terms of physiological response, not so much.
Same here. In fact, so much the same that I said the same thing in 33.
Is there anyone else who finds his/her own image in the mirror improved by alcohol?
I can't resist even though teo has read it:
Macd. What three things does Drinke especially
prouoke?
Port. Marry, Sir, Nose-painting, Sleepe, and Vrine.
Lecherie, Sir, it prouokes, and vnprouokes: it prouokes
the desire, but it takes away the performance. Therefore
much Drinke may be said to be an Equiuocator with Lecherie:
it makes him, and it marres him; it sets him on,
and it takes him off; it perswades him, and dis-heartens
him; makes him stand too, and not stand too: in conclusion,
equiuocates him in a sleepe, and giuing him the Lye,
leaues him
Macd. I beleeue, Drinke gaue thee the Lye last Night
Pea soup is what you do with the ham hock after Christmas or Easter.
I'll get called a blasphemer in these parts for saying it, but I think cream has a stronger claim to universal complementarity than even bacon.
Goyishest thread ever.
Is there anyone else who finds his/her own image in the mirror improved by alcohol?
I don't know about that, but I've known many people who found the sound of their own singing voice more beautiful after alcohol consumption. Rumour has it that some of them even attend unfogged meetups!
You guys are silly with your cream and your butter and your bacon fat. A touch of butter and/or cheese can be lovely, but cream is insane in most foods, and too much fat is greasy and vomit-inducing and covers over delicate flavors.
In fact, so much the same that I said the same thing in 33.
That doesn't seem quite the same, at least as phrased in 33, but it is what reminded me of this, so pwnership acknowledged.
100: Sorry about that, dudes. I sing when drunk, but I definitely look worse to myself when drunk.
102: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is pwned.
You guys are silly with your cream and your butter and your bacon fat...Cream is insane in most foods.
You know, AWB, I'm starting to reconsider the liberal stance I took toward promoting heterodox opinions on this blog. There are some opinions that really are beyond the pale.
78: Why thank you. I've been here under another, realer name, but figured it was time to pseud up.
79: Nope. Who is that?
I was talking to my sister about this once (which was exactly as awkward as it sounds)
Oh god. I don't even want to think about having that conversation with my brother.
Now, you should have found a way to have that conversation with one of the girls you've been dating in a way that makes her take it as a challenge.
As the Bard notes, horniness does not entail performance.
109: Yeah, because "I go all limp by the time I'm drunk enough to want to have sex" is a super-hot line.
109: Now, you should have found a way to have that conversation with one of the girls you've been dating
Assumes facts not in evidence: maybe he did!
Now, you should have found a way to have that conversation with one of the girls you've been dating in a way that makes her take it as a challenge.
Something like this?
"I swear, Beverly, when I get drunk not even a girl as hot as you could induce an erection."
"Sounds like a wager to me!"
112 - It's not a super-hot line but I can think of some friends in college who would have been stupid enough to fall for it.
114: Now there's a band that sounds really good unless you listen to five or more songs, in which case you instantly get sick of them.
In committed relationships, uh, such unwilling flesh problems could be a reason to decide to have sex before going out drinking. Might be hard to start off a date that way though.
117: well with that ringing endorsement!
Not-bald non-lurker chris, why have you prepended "lurker" to your handle?
But if you see them live you will dance your ass off.
"We should have sex now, because I'm going to get super drunk later."
Now that is a pickup line.
"I never thought I would be able to get drunk enough to want to sleep with you and still be able to maintain an erection, but what do you know, I've done it!"
Might be worth a shot.
We should have sex now, because I'm going to get super drunk have two glasses of wine later.
I never thought I would be able to get drunk enough to want to sleep with you and still be able to maintain an erection
With great power comes great responsibility.
"We should have sex now, because I'm going to get super drunk later."
Doesn't work if your planned date consists of a movie and ice skating, though.
So who'll be the first to deploy 123 in DC?
Yeah, because "I go all limp by the time I'm drunk enough to want to have sex" is a super-hot line.
Creepy! Hott!
(Cryptic Ned has never heard of flasks.)
If you see them die, you will have a more muted reaction.
So who'll be the first to deploy 123 in DC?
I suspect it works best if you're already noticeably somewhat drunk. Sense of urgency.
If you see them die, you will have a more muted reaction.
The erections?
Poor little erections. Uh, I mean...
112 could work as a pickup line if you're a girl and he's a weirdo.
They look like they're sleeping.
heebie loses all bone structure when asleep.
Oh and I suppose other people develop bone structures in their sleep? And just awaken with extra bones?
I saw something at the store (book or video) yesterday that had HEEBIE-GEEBIE in bold. I laughe out loud.
I suppose other people develop bone structures in their sleep?
Yes?
Oh and I suppose other people develop bone structures in their sleep? And just awaken with extra bones?
No, and yes.
And just awaken with extra bones?
Sometimes, yeah. But only one.
have sex before going out
The only aspect of French culture that sounded appealing, as said culture was depicted by Diane Johnson in Le Divorce.
I saw something at the store (book or video) yesterday that had HEEBIE-GEEBIE in bold. I laughe out loud.
Neat! Did it give you the will-ies?
Me, I just keep remembering that "HBGBD" was one of the most powerful cheat codes in Bubble Bobble.
Can you change your name to heebie-geebie-dee to enhance the resemblance?
152: you inspired me, man. I'll give it to you. I should have referenced you, I really should have.
I am filled with limp.
149: You'd think this might be a good idea, except then the only reason you have to be at all temperate in food and drink is out the window and you both come home too late, too grumpy, and too drunk.
Completely OT: Why can't eBay's search be like Google's? Or even Yahoo's? Why is it so horribly, infuratingly bad? If lousy search results are still enough to get you some purchases some of the time, isn't there still a floor below which the search results cannot be allowed to sink?
/end of rant
except then the only reason you have to be at all temperate in food and drink is out the window
This is bad?
AWB: Objectively (and surprisingly) anti-hedonism.
you both come home too late, too grumpy, and too drunk.
and you both come home too late, too grumpy, and too drunk
Or you've spent the evening out in anticipation, and now you're finally home together, and drunk enough to be a little crazier than you otherwise might. And then you get to fall asleep after.
I'm pro-long-term hedonism. If I'm going to have an evening involving good sex, good food, and good drink, it's important to limit the latter two such that the former can be had, and then looked-forward-to ASAP.
Long-term in the scope of an evening, of course. I hate discomfort.
Returns to hedonism are historically sporadic. A buy and hold strategy might not be optimal. Sure, you should mostly go long, but sometimes going short can be a blockbuster move.
162: This pre-meditated hedonism is why the red states hate democrats.
Borrow hedons at the current price, sell, and buy back when the price drops.
A bargain at any price, hedons are the gift that gives for a while, and then stops giving, only sometimes making you feel guilty later.
There's a hedon bubble that's keeping everything else artificially high.
I've always though the securitization of hedonism was a mistake.
Irrational exuberance can really be a bitch.
So, the popping of the hedonism bubble is when everyone blinks, looks around, and realizes that some things just aren't as fun as they thought all along? Kinda like the moment you outgrow Monopoly?
168 -
Only if you're consuming empty hedons.
172: it's when the party runs out of booze finally.
I'm pro-long-term hedonism.
YM "pro long-term hedonism".
No, when the cost of hedons falls. So the price would have to increase. That would be everyone looking around, and deciding that everything is much more fun than they thought?
Better get to the liquor store, then, Sifu.
Imprudential is your source for term-hedonism.
That all went so fast I'm not sure I realized it had even happened.
it's when the party runs out of booze finally.
Yeah, but then you just make breakfast and leisurely watch the sun rise before falling asleep. Not a bad way to end the evening.
Yeah, but then you just make breakfast and leisurely watch the sun rise before falling asleep. Not a bad way to end the evening.
Do you eat the breakfast before falling asleep, or just let the stove keep running until the sound of the smoke alarm awakens you to a tasty, black, crispy omelette?
Outgrow Monopoly? I've outgrown stupid games only at the rate that the opposition has declined to play. I call this phenomenon, "Victory."
187: depends what recipe book you're using.
How are you at intelligent games, foolish?
190: How about a nice game of global thermonuclear war?
187: Oh, you don't eat it. Just make it, and then set it out to look at. It's a sort of tableau.
The truly intelligent games however, bend me to their will. There's a game of go I've been turning tricks for since '99.
Sorry for the slip (He was in the room).
I hadn't realized that 189 was just an abstract now. The full Ambien Cookbook.
I've gotten a lot of weird phone calls from friends who've accidentally taken two Ambien. It sure as hell doesn't put you to sleep when you overdose. Very impressive stuff.
I took one once as I took my seat on a red eye and was asleep before we taxied to the runway. I woke up a continent away, at touchdown.
The only way to win is to take two Ambien.
198: were they looking fabulous?
......................Like outtakes from a bad Ben Stiller flick...............
Speaking of nuclear war, Chinese sub pops up in middle of US Navy exercise, within striking distance of the carrier USS Kitty Hawk.
Your period key appears to be stuck, there, scooter.
I always wonder whether these stories are planted by the military in an effort to increase their entropy, er I mean budget.
You went to sleep
but not for long
now you're the creep
with the ball gown on
Ambien
I always wonder whether these stories are planted by the military in an effort to increase their entropy, er I mean budget.
"Infinite amounts of subsidies have not made us able to do the simplest things. We need infinity plus one."
It's worked for the auto industry.
208: that is a very, very bad plan young man.
Wasn't that Ambien that had Apo waking up in a feather boa?
Pwnd by 207, which is sweet.
...............................rilly?
We eagerly await the Norman Podhoretz Celebration at UF. Oy vey!
Is Teo self-cock-blocking because he's worried about whiskey dick? Teo? Have a shot or two, then nurse a beer; you'll be fine.
Sleep-driving?
I have a friend constantly at risk for this. Kind of scary.
213: I know people who have had rather serious trouble with it. Difficult to do well.
...............................208: that is a very, very bad plan young man.
208 is to 207. Ain't you got no culture?
Not whiskey dick; sleep driving. Whiskey dick's just like riding a bike.
It's easy once you're in the saddle?
Is Teo self-cock-blocking because he's worried about whiskey dick?
No, I'm self-cock-blocking for entirely different reasons.
My brother found me snoring in the lotus position in the living room after I used my sleep meds. It wasn't particularly fancy, but we don't have the equipment for that sort of thing.
217: it makes it tough to have sex.
No, I'm self-cock-blocking for entirely different reasons.
And I've been trying to suss them out for a while, but you're doing a good job of keeping them hidden.
Today I passed an apartment building in Allston that was named "Bacon Chambers" It was carved over the door.
I'm a bit confused, whiskey dick is being unable to get an erection, correct? Is there a separate term for an inability to reach a satisfactory conclusion because of alcohol?
Whatever they are, they seem to be working pretty well. A friend of mine whom I'm not even trying to have sex with is now not answering my Facebook messages for reasons that are completely mysterious to me.
222: yes, it is revered in myth and legend. Or at least it was, when I lived in Allston.
225: might as well try to have sex with them now.
Is there a separate term for an inability to reach a satisfactory conclusion because of alcohol?
Probably, but I don't know it. And I think I've only heard "whiskey dick" used once, by a speaker during freshman orientation in college.
I guess, but it seems unlikely to work out.
A friend of mine whom I'm not even trying to have sex with is now not answering my Facebook messages for reasons that are completely mysterious to me.
Maybe she's been keeping up with the comment threads on some blog.
Her eyes have crossed from the monitor and she's kind of self conscious about it.
Unlikely, however. Do you care to offer an explanation of facebook teo?
I'm a bit confused, whiskey dick is being unable to get an erection, correct?
Ray suffers from the same confusion
Sleep-driving reminds me of a very dark and slightly windy (wine-dy) road I'd drive in my youth, where I'd go and turn off my lights for a few seconds at a time. What a rush. Totally stupid, of course. Don't let your kids drive until they're 30.
234 pwned, it pains me to say, by 89.
Facebook Teo is just like Regular Teo, except less verbose, and with brighter colors.
Isn't the point of Ambien that it doesn't really put you to sleep, just gives you anterograde amnesia? That way, you cannot remember tossing and turning, or making that call to AWB, or putting on the boa, so you think you just fell asleep.
235: I have occasionally bicycled with my eyes closed. A pretty amazing feeling.
There's a great passage in Vineland about crazy desert rats ("beer runners" in the book) gunning it through zero visibility thule fogs in eastern LA county.
Dammit! SHould have seen that. Macbeth threw me off.
236 reminds me of my HS pass time: hotbox Montclair fog-driving. It's like a rally race without the reflexes, visibility, or fear of death.
Facebook Teo is just like Regular Teo, except less verbose, and with brighter colors.
Yeah, that about sums it up.
I'm seriously freaking out about this. She's like the only friend I have.
That is exactly the spirit, foolishmortal. Did you grow up in Montclair? Disconcertingly, you might know somebody I know.
239: What is it with you and vineland?
243:Y. Younger than you, but it would figure.
What were you messaging her about? Is there any reason why she wouldn't respond to your messages? If there isn't, then maybe she's been really busy for the past little while. Try calling her or something, if you're not worried about being pushy.
235: my roommate, when working construction, was repeatedly extended an offer to go "drive around some old country roads with a 30-piece[of crack], just taking a hit every now and then".
I guess the general idea is that going anywhere near a road means you are probably going to die.
244: it's one of my favorite books. California! Lady ninjas! Rad cars! Paranoia! Drug use! Godzilla! Ukeleles!
It gets at what I love about the west coast better than any other novel I've read.
245: he lived there for quite a while, and had a younger sister. It's not too big a town, so, huh. Show up at a meetup why doncha and we'll discuss.
"Alcohol had no effect on the rating of same-sex attractiveness
So, are they saying this phenomena does not apply to homosexuals? (Cuz I could prove them wrong before you can say "green lentils". ) Or are they saying that they just don't give a shit about who 'homos' find attractive - while drunk or sober?
17: I've had about three beers in the past three years.
Sticking with gin then, are you?
171: Irrational exuberance can really be a bitch.
Hey man, why you gotta be so meeeeen??
What were you messaging her about?
I was asking if she wanted to get together sometime this week. We've been getting together from time to time for a few months now.
Is there any reason why she wouldn't respond to your messages?
Not that I can think of. I just saw her on Saturday and we got along fine.
249: Will do.
248: And you don't like GR because?
252.2: who says? I like it plenty. It just isn't about California.
253 continued: and it doesn't have the same quality of ninja.
251: how long has she been unresponsive, teo? I would argue for not sweating it.
If you just saw her on Saturday, I'd chill for a few days.
Send AWB facebook messages instead!
251: I have a tendency to assume the worst in similar situations, and that's alway/almost always been a mistake on my part.
I advise 256 because I ignore FB messages all the time, or read them and assume they need no immediate response.
then maybe she's been really busy for the past little while
Yeah, I'm afraid I leave messages hanging all the time, despite my best intentions.
Of course, I'm a crappy friend.
Dude, since Saturday? People do go offline every now and again.
how long has she been unresponsive, teo?
A day or so. But I've sent her three messages, the last one asking why she wasn't responding to my messages, and still nothing.
260: on the note of being a crappy friend, how did brunch go? Wish I could have made it....
What is this "offline" of which you speak? I do not understand.
258, 259, 260: Well, fuck.
261: She's been online, though.
261 is, I think, a really solid point that may not be obvious given the time you spend here.
the last one asking why she wasn't responding to my messages
No no no no no no no. No.
258 seconded. God Teo, you sound like my long lost brother sometimes.
262: When in doubt, unless you're the kind of friends who talk all day every day, and really not even then, I'd recommend not asking someone why they're not responding to you.
No no no no no no no. No.
Hence 265.1.
269: lest `because you are whiny, needy, and annoying' becomes the response.
When in doubt, unless you're the kind of friends who talk all day every day, and really not even then, I'd recommend not asking someone why they're not responding to you.
And assuming I already did?
263: Brunch was fun. Wish you could have been there, too. After the eating came the drinking of coffee/beer/lemonade for a few hours. Verdict on Magpie & Josh: Funny & nice. (Heebie, you already know this about.)
271: in some contexts that might be a reassuring affirmation, of course.
oh, lay off a bit people. I certainly wouldn't recommend it, but then again, it's not necessarily the end of the world.
273: but Jammies, what of Jammies?
273: also coffee, beer and lemonade sounds like an awful cocktail.
I only asked because this seems really atypical. She usually responds right away. And I know she's been online.
re: 262: if someone doesn't explain FB etiquette to me I'm going to be bothered.
3 emails would be bad; three voicemails worse. To which is this more comparable?
272: Just let it go, even if it's for a month or so. Don't apologize, don't send another message; just chill and cultivate other friendships for a while.
And yes, everyone does that kind of shit sometimes, but you can't back out of it by communicating more.
272: seriously? Assuming you did, it really probably isn't a big deal. Don't make it into a big deal.
3 emails would be bad; three voicemails worse. To which is this more comparable?
Email, I think.
And yes, everyone does that kind of shit sometimes, but you can't back out of it by communicating more.
It's totally like the invasion of Iraq, is what she's saying.
3 emails would be bad; three voicemails worse. To which is this more comparable?
Milder than email.
In any case: first, do no harm.
Just let it go, even if it's for a month or so. Don't apologize, don't send another message; just chill and cultivate other friendships for a while.
I realize this is the way to go, but arrgh. I really don't have any other friends that I see regularly.
276: Jammies, alas, was doing final packing for official co-habitation with heebie. We were told, however, that he sent his regards. (M/tch & I did meet Jammies on another occasion and pronounce him lovely.)
the other thing is that some people are just a bit flaky, & if you never emailed them twice in a row you'd just fall out of contact.
I'm not comparing it to war, fer chrissakes. But getting three emails, one of which says, "I know you've been online. Why aren't you responding to me?" would make me feel weird and I'd probably need a few weeks to myself.
You have Pretend Internet Friends! Make some regular or other come visit you. I nominate, uh, B and, mmmmm, Armsmasher.
(but obviously multiple emails right in a row don't help much with 291).
I'm not comparing it to war, fer chrissakes
Of course not; Sifu got it.
How far is teo from other West Coast Unfoggedinators?
289: could you redirect the relationship with the Orthodox girl? Don't you have some kind of massive fan club?
289: You could get a job at a coffeehouse.
How far is teo from other West Coast Unfoggedinators?
About 1000 miles. And I don't think "other" is really warranted there.
Why is Sir Kraab referring to teo in the 3rd person, knowing he's online right now?
could you redirect the relationship with the Orthodox girl?
I'm pretty sure by "just friends" she meant "never call me again."
Don't you have some kind of massive fan club?
Not that I'm aware of.
Take a road trip, teo! First, off to Wrongshore's, where you can chuck a clock in a dumpster together. Then, visit B, and laugh and laugh at her filthy house. Then, off to see the elephant seals mating with ogged, and finally, up to w-lfs-n's place, where the two of you can go wildcatting.
Wait for her to get back to you, and then apologize for it ('sorry about being weird like that' or somesuch.) I'd recommend waiting to hear back from her for the next few days. If you haven't heard from her by say, Friday, try to get in touch by another means (if you guys sometimes use another means.) How does that sound?
305: See, you should have driven/hitched down for the brunch.
304: I would recommend not apologizing. It's not a big deal - don't make it one.
307: Yeah, that would have only been about 800 miles.
304,306: apologizing could be either good or bad, it would help if you can affect a humorous, self-deprecating manner.
307: See? Right next door. Sheesh, doesn't anyone do 1000 mile days anymore?
Buy a ticket to South America, teo. If you spend a couple months there you'll be forced to a) learn spanish, b)learn how to socialize in small groups c)how to avoid sex with europeans on their gap year that want nothing to do with the locals.
This whole thing just goes to show that it's not just romantic situations that I'm terrible at handling. Also that I'm needy and insecure.
Sheesh, doesn't anyone do 1000 mile days anymore?
My sister and I drove from Houston to Albuquerque in one day this past summer.
We totally knew that, Teo. Are we supposed to be telling you this stuff?
303: Wildcatting=tomcatting?
Wildcatting=tomcatting?
Urban dictionary tells me that tomcatting is not age-specific, but wildcatting refers to prowling for older women.
Huh! Well, teo is getting up there. He should be looking for a mature woman.
You gave in too soon, Sifu. Insecure.
Maybe tomorrow we should end each comment that responds to another comment with the state of mind that the first comment evinces.
322: when it comes to cougars, I play dead.
323: that's a good idea. Obsessive.
Another set-up for Unfogged introspection! Dread.
While using each other's pseuds!
Urban dictionary tells me that tomcatting is not age-specific, but wildcatting refers to prowling for older women.
Fortunately for teo, if he comes up here, the recent SFBG best of the bay feature said precisely where to go to engage in that practice.
Megan always already fails to follow the rules.
329: and we love her for it. Prissy bemusement.
I didn't really mean the exclamation point.
Theory: when you're drunk, people look better because your status hangups drop off and you revert to what you *really* find attractive.
Counter theory: the study results were thrown off by really drunk guys who thought they were in for a threesome with twins, but actually were just seeing double.
I think I'm much too young and midwestern for 333 to make sense to me.
Prissy bemusement.
In what way was my comment bemused? [Vocabulistic overreaching in a vain attempt to impress person or persons unknown.]
333 is not true to the phenomenology.
... you revert to what you *really* find attractive nearby
336: Megan's vast life-force is too much for your reality, square. [abortive intellectual self-satisfaction]
If wine seems a little spoiled, is it bad to keep drinking it?
340: that depends, how much do you dislike throwing up?
If wine seems a little spoiled, is it bad to keep drinking it?
Maybe. [Preening twee innocence.]
340: No, but it's cheaper to just drink the bottle of vinegar that's in the pantry.
[Preening twee innocence.]
Oh, oh. Nobody calls me twee. [ self-satisfied shit-disturbitude ]
I think this wine is fine, really. What does it mean if the cork falls apart when you take it out?
It's a good thing I bought some beer this afternoon, because today has not been a good day.
Cork? Real men cork their wine with wax.
347: not being a vineyard owner, I take what I'm given. [ incongruous insufferability ]
teo, we're all insecure and needy. Some of us have just had more years to practice camouflaging it. Give yourself a break.
I was recently exposed to the idea (within a group of non-college educated, small-town, young women) that buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex. I'm holding onto hope that this idea is confined to these two specific women and I don't have to face a world where this is a general pattern of behavior.
345: just that the cork dried out, or was made of cheap cork (there is/was a shortage) or you opened it badly or all of the above. This happens if it's stored upright. If it's off, you'll be able to tell.
350: that would be a bad thing?
351: thank you. It tastes fine.
Oh teo, you just say that because you haven't heard of my plan for you. The post-service spigot of Israeli women doesn't pass through the US for some reason, but they do like U.S. guys. If you stick yourself in Cuzco or Hyderabad or someplace I'm sure you'll do fine.
Nobody calls me twee.
You know what I love? [Impotent faux-outrage].
350: Does the wine serve as an announcement ("Hey, let's do anal tonight!") or as payment? Shudder.
buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex
Thank god Apo seems to be offline.
354: I will burn Belle and Sebastian to the ground, motherfucker. [ another synonym for punchy trolling ]
Who drinks wine with a cork any more?
The post-service spigot of Israeli women doesn't pass through the US for some reason, but they do like U.S. guys. If you stick yourself in Cuzco or Hyderabad or someplace I'm sure you'll do fine.
Or I could just go to Israel.
358: well, geez, I took the cork out before drinking it. I'm not that uneducated.
359: Birthright! You're still in the age range.
OT, but totally adorable. My cat just fell asleep curled up next to me, and her head went slowly, slowly down to the couch, just like a little kid trying to stay awake past her bedtime.
Speaking of which, it's well past mine. G'night.
Or I could just go to Israel.
Not as likely to succeed there. The element backpacking is a big part of it.
355: maybe popping the cork is evocative in a doubleyourdating sort of way.
"Backpacking element."
361: I'm a bit wary of Birthright, but I have been considering some sort of trip to Israel at some point.
355: maybe it's like a really unwieldy hanky code.
Not as likely to succeed there. The element backpacking is a big part of it.
Wouldn't I have to be backpacking as well to end up in these places? No thanks.
Why the wariness?
A variety of reasons. My cousin went on it and came back an insanely rabid Zionist, for instance.
369: No, don't worry: they call it `backpacking' because they never go anywhere you would actually need a backpack for.
buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex
This is why I prefer to give out 30-racks of High Life.
I'm not that uneducated.
You did go to a fancy high school, after all. [Insufficiently sarcastic wounded inadequacy.]
355: I heard about this secondhand from a friend, so I'm not sure. My uninformed understanding is that it's one of those highschoolish (they're in their early to mid-twenties) ideas that exists somewhere between an announcement and payment, like they feel the need to be coaxed into doing something they want to do independently.
A little late, but...
teo, I've sent plenty of emails that I regret, some in the same vein as what you sent. Sure, they're embarrassing, but, in my experience, they don't cause long term (or even short term) damage. Friends understand.
What's with the square parentheses?
No, don't worry: they call it `backpacking' because they never go anywhere you would actually need a backpack for.
I know, but I still have no interest in the whole scenario. I'm enough of an Ugly American right here.
377: It's almost like Ash is back. I miss Ash.
Friends understand.
I certainly hope so. I'm sure it'll turn out okay.
373: I fact upon which I continue to coast. [ obliviously hurtful fratboy chumminess ]
377 was me. ash must have been before my time, I think.
ash must have been before my time, I think.
He now goes by "max."
obliviously hurtful fratboy chumminess
I read that as "obviously," which would have been right. [Too generous by half.]
Another lesson from this debacle: days off are a bad thing. Too much time to obsess over things.
Don't back down now, ogged. Our role-playing is really getting at some important issues.
383/384: I must have missed the `ash' phase only then.
386: that's why gawd invented bourbon, teo.
And I'm almost done with my second beer. New Belgium: great microbrewery or greatest microbrewery?
On the Teo thing: college aged people are generally really fucking crazy. If we turned on each other because of minor craziness none of us would have any friends.
391 is very reassuring. Thanks, Gibbons.
sorry, sorry: that's what ghod invented bourbon, teo.
nah, works better with the other accent. You have to stres the ou
390: not greatest. Greatest is maybe a tie between Alpine, Bear Republic and Dogfish Head.
college aged people are generally really fucking crazy.
I'm not sure why you read that as backing down, Sifu. [Testy.]
Greatest is maybe a tie between Alpine, Bear Republic and Dogfish Head.
Haven't had any of those, so greatest I've had.
396: I think you must have misunderstood. Really -- honestly -- I'm proud of you right now. [ Denial ]
Really -- honestly -- I'm proud of you right now.
Thanks, bro. [Hopeful that silliness will replace hurtful barbs.]
397: don't underestimate unibroue, `fin du monde' or `maudite' sometimes are exactly what is needed. The former nearly wind the whole category for label alone.
400: I've never even heard of those, so 397 stands.
399: anytime, O-stamp! [ Disappointed retreat to fratty bonhomie ]
Okay, I've got about six beers in me (3 of which were New Belgium 2Below, hooray!) and I'm heading to the bar. Out of respect to the original post, I'll let you all know if i wake up next to anyone much more or much less attractive than myself.
anytime, O-stamp!
You're right, we really are working through some issues here. [Contentless pain, anger.]
New Belgium 2Below, hooray!
That's what I'm drinking too! Good luck at the bar.
they call it `backpacking' because they never go anywhere you would actually need a backpack for.
That's bullshit. I packed my shit right, and because of that could pull a +3000-15000 hike. Still, even if I hadn't, dealing with random languages is not easy. Dealing with shit as a backpacker is not the simple luxury you present: it is an intentional bitch. A man in comfort has no standing to judge a backpacker, whatever his means.
Oh, you know me too well. [ resigned, cheerful nihilism ]
Oh, you know me too well.
But we haven't even met, my peripatetic friend. [Hopeful that the admission will conceal what's admitted.]
A man in comfort has no standing to judge a backpacker, whatever his means.
WTF? Simple or not, backpacking's still a luxury.
408: I hate that word. I have to google it every time. [ decreasingly ironic concern that any real revelation is likely to slip away ]
Fuck, it's almost midnight. I'm going to bed.
Night, all.
406: A might touchy, I see.
I mean the `backpacking' phenomena quite distinct from the act of backcountry hiking (with all your gear in a backpack, natch) and also distinct to travel. As this distinct phenomena, it has as much to do with privileged youth slumming it on holiday with each other.
If the most uncomfortable traveling you've done is slinging a north face pack in the back of a wagon and walking a few miles to a youth hostel, you've no standing to judge `not the simple luxury'.
Sure, it's a stereotype, but there's a fair bit of truth to it. Sure, some `backpackers' get off the beaten track and poke around for them selves. Loads don't though.
Crap, you've got me with the brackets in 408. As for peripatetic, I recommend Wordie. [Earnest safe words.]
Yeah I already looked it up. [ incompletely understood but ultimately self-satisfied sense of exploring blog media in a novel way ]
Yeah I already looked it up.
I meant that Wordie is good for collecting words like that. Here's my list.
Ok, can we declare the game over? I haven't laughed that hard in a while, and I don't think anyone else would have played with me. But you did get to call me "self-satisfied" three times, so I think it's a win for everyone.
As this distinct phenomena, it has as much to do with privileged youth slumming it on holiday with each other.
Have I ever mentioned the guy who always sits across from me in seminar and, on the first day, smugly recounted his year off backpacking around South America and Europe? Who tries to out-earnest the Chilean revolutionary who always sits next to me? While wearing a giant red "STOP GLOBAL WARMING" wristband (made out of some kind of fabric, because plastic wristbands are bad for the environment, of course)?
Seems like it's time for bed.
sounds like a peach, destroyer.
me for bed too.
416: three times? Wow. That is embarrassing. Yeah, end that game, thanks.
I only said "self-satisfied" twice! I call shenanigans!
Anyhow yeah that was pretty interesting. From a social cognition point of view, it short-circuited some of the things I take for granted about internet communication.
I only said "self-satisfied" twice!
339, 345, 415.
From a social cognition point of view, it short-circuited some of the things I take for granted about internet communication.
What do you mean?
417: You need to see Kicking & Screaming. I think you are in a seminar with Friedrich.
"Racism spans the globe, from Crown Heights to Howard Beach."
"What is that, from Crown Heights to Howard Beach? That's like saying 'Racism spans the globe, from the living room to the dining room.'"
Not the Will Ferrell movie.
421.1 fuck. I always knew my vocabulary was only like 18 words, now it turns out two of them are hyphenated?
421.2 well, it's easy to assume a certain flattening of affect on the internet (my "everybody's always joking" philosophy), but when you have explicit access to what somebody is thinking (even in jest) you meant by what you said, it's surprisingly toght to keep things quite so light.
I've always filed Kicking & Screaming and Slacker in the same place; only seen the second, but enjoyed it very much.
Incidentally, Noah Baumbach's new movie looks terrible.
Ok, yeah. I think it happened a little more quickly since we started with teasing, but we got bogged down pretty quickly in some too square kidding-on-the-square. There's a weird honesty effect that kicks in even though it's the other person saying what you really think.
Now we're establishing "no hard feelings," by the way.
Now we're establishing "no hard feelings," by the way.
Sheesh, I guess you don't know me after all if you think I'm going to have hard feelings about anything said on a (fuckin') blog. No, I think the fact that it actually got sort of directly at emotional realities was fascinating; that's what I meant by a "short-circuiting": If the other person can express any insight at all into what you were really thinking, then you feel in some ways, more compelled to approach their comment honestly than you otherwise would. It changes the nature of internet communication in some initially subtle, but seemingly fairly fundamental, ways. Very interesting.
I definitely got the sense while doing it that there was more at stake than there is in an ordinary unfogged thread, when I can pretty much count on the idea that nobody will take me seriously.
Would you two just get a room already?
buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex
Wow. Roberta would be broken.
Thank god Apo seems to be offline.
It's a brave new world.
Apo you gotta get your kids commenting post-haste.
428:Since when do you say shit that can be criticized? The worst I can say about you is that you let your blog become a Patriots orgy, which is not a crime.
Right. It keeps making the subtext explicit, and when there's no escape from the subtext, you realize how much one uses language to in oblique, layered ways. Keeping the subtext "sub" is pretty essential to graceful sociability, and making the subtext emotionally loaded but keeping it sub is pretty much the definition of charm, and when it keeps being made explicit, it's hard not to come across as an asshole.
433: clearly you missed my New Orleans posts.
434: which, I think, is implicit in face-to-face contact -- you have to be pretty goddamn charming to evade all subtext -- but generally avoidable online.
Since when do you say shit that can be criticized?
Kanye West says Beefo Meaty doesn't care about black people.
428–429: Haven't read the thread, so I don't know what the hell's going on, but if ogged's threatening to sleep with your exes, you need to know that he does that with everyone. And, to no avail.
I also think that one of the funniest things about funny banter on unfogged is how uncomfortably close to the truth people are able to venture. Once that is explicitly, and immediately, acknowledged, the whole venture garners much higer stakes.
OH, your shit is interchangable. I'm sure Dave Eggers is impressed.
437: dude if unfogged wants to sleep with my exes we'd better figure out a way to warn the poor bastard off.
Once that is explicitly, and immediately, acknowledged, the whole venture garners much higer stakes.
And gets unfunny pretty quickly.
441: it was still pretty damn funny.
438 sounds like a threat to me.
440 s/b ogged, or a threesome, I guess.
it was still pretty damn funny.
I laughed the whole time, but that's because I knew you'd be cool. What do you think will happen if we do it blog-wide tomorrow?
Disaster, obviously. Or people not getting it.
Yay! Another experiment! [talking for the sake of seeing name on screen]
My risk skills imply that I have a say in this matter.
Actually, it would have been more accurate if I'd just let it stand for itself.
If I'm getting how the game is played, there seems to be a limiting factor in adding the "real meaning" in brackets. I could have added [goading], [wanting to join a conversation that seems otherwise exclusive], and [enjoying the company] and all would have been equally accurate.
Or maybe I'm playing it wrong.
Or maybe I'm playing it wrong.
Yeah, the brackets are supposed to describe the state of mind that you attribute to the comment to which you're responding.
I suspected that, but reading back over the love-fest, it didn't quite make sense. [patient correction.]
452 is the key. If you're just describing your own state of mind, meh. But if you can peg what you're responding to, things escalate a bit.
Following the rules is for chumps. [NSFW]
We started back at 323. Sometimes I had to read the brackets a couple of times before they made sense to me.
453: it's a little complicated to follow. I accidentally guess at foolishmortal's mindstate, rather than ogged's, at one point.
if you can peg what you're responding to
What's to keep someone from just lying?
I accidentally guess at foolishmortal's mindstate, rather than ogged's, at one point.
Which one was that?
Did this game come from somewhere?
At 317, I responded to Teo's 315, at 322 I made a joke of it in saying something to Sifu, and then at 323 it occurred to me that it might be interesting to try.
458: nothing, really, but keeping two parallel tracks of lying going simultaneously is tricky.
Well, if I wake up and this is the way things are, I'll play.
If teo wakes up and wants to see the ocean, he can crash at my pad. But he should probably go to South America.
I'm going to go get my heart broken by the end of Wire Season 4.
Heh.
No you totally should try it though!
Well, I'm home (the bar is right across the street). It was more an experience of being racially and culturally out of my element than anything else.
Mainstream hip hop is entertaining when drunk.
South America, Europe, it doesn't really matter. I'm sure either would work just fine.
469: that didn't last long. was it like a scene from a bad teensploitation movie? needle-being-pulled-from-record sound effect and all?
It would have been more interesting that way, but I seem to do okay at blending into a crowd despite being socially withdrawn.
Weird, I was drinking 2 Below tonight too. Is this actually an interesting coincidence? Or would naming a random microbrew also find 3 unfogged readers drinking it on a monday night?
Re: 239.
Thule? Ultimate Thule Fog! Dat's Tule . IF memory serves me raht, Capn. TP set the beer runners in Central Valley, where Tule fog resides. Unfogged: where the fratboys (n grrls) even F. up the snark
The first couple sentences of 474 are correct, at any rate.
My friend just wrote back. Turns out she's housesitting with limited internet access, and has apparently been sending me text messages that I haven't received. I really shouldn't worry so much.
Nonetheless, you should go to South America. Take your friend.
Too bad you'll be in Paraguay by the end of the week.
I think the canonical place for horny sex-deprived men to go is Caracas. As immortalised in this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWzynoJIr-g
So late to the thread ...
390: I nearly went to the bottom of the page to post my indignation immediately, but didn't. I then got to read 405, which calmed me down quite a bit. 2 below is imo, the best beer from a poor brewery, and is overall decent. Randalls has a very poor selection, I was there for toilet paper, and saw 2 below and figured I would try it, despite not caring for the brewer generally, and was pleasantly surprised. I could drink Sierra Nevada pale ale day in and day out, though, myself. Its available quite cheaply in a couple places, Costco and Spec's (Is Spec's a Texas only phenomenon?).
394: I haven't had the first 2, but I don't really care for Dogfish Head much, either. Victory FTW. Have you tried the Hop Wallop? Yum. It's seasonal, comes out soon, January maybe.
Teo, I am glad to hear about the positive resolution about you not hearing from your friend. As others have said, I have done stuff like that out of insecurity, too.
I could drink Sierra Nevada pale ale day in and day out, though, myself. Its available quite cheaply in a couple places, Costco and Spec's (Is Spec's a Texas only phenomenon?).
I've never heard of Spec's. I've actually never had Sierra Nevada, but it's available lots of places here. This is obviously an area where tastes differ rather dramatically, but I've liked everything I've had from New Belgium, and 1554 might be my favorite beer ever.
It occurs to me that in this case, the "why aren't you responding to me?" message turned out to be a good idea. Without it I don't know how we would have figured out what was going on.
an area where tastes differ rather dramatically
Yes, but you've got me: 1554 is my second favorite New Belgium beer. My opinion of the brewery is probably heavily dependent on my dislike of Fat Tire, coupled with its ubiquity.
The other problem is a friend of mine who often comes over for poker frequently brings a six pack of a random New Belgium beer, and then it's all in the fridge the next morning. Not that he didn't drink, mind you, but that he drank the Sierra Nevada pale ale I had in the fridge. Sierra Nevada pale ale is $20.99 for a case at Costco, so I typically get one of those before a poker game.
This has been such a regular occurrence I even obliquely mentioned to him last week, a few days before I was having a game, that I had bought the 2 below at Randalls the other day and it was pretty good. He then admitted that he usually picked up beer at Randalls because it is usually so quiet there, which he values enough to shop there despite their poor selection and high prices. I didn't actually say I disliked New Belgium beer, and then he brought a bottle of wine, and all was good.
My opinion of the brewery is probably heavily dependent on my dislike of Fat Tire, coupled with its ubiquity.
Yeah, I like Fat Tire and appreciate its ubiquity, which probably contributes to my positive impression of New Belgium overall. And your friend's behavior sounds like the sort pf thing that would get very irritating very fast.
I should drink more Victory. Hop Devil was quite good. I can't stand Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, at least partly because I drank so goddamn much of it when I realized it was $5.99 a six pack in California.
I used to drink mostly Anchor Steam. You know what else is a good beer, or was, back in the day? Sam Adams.
You know what else is a good beer, or was, back in the day? Sam Adams.
The Budweiser of the microbreweries? Pass.
I have become so insufferable of a beer snob that I really don't like either of those two anymore. I blame living in one of the great beer cities.
Your beer snobbery has no effect on me, young jedi. Sam Adams is pretty yummy.
Back in the day, Josh. If you're too young to remember Sam Adams back when it was brewed by the Founding Father himself, that's not ogged's fault.
488: well, yeah, you barely drink beer anymore. Still, you should make those three count.
I totally forgot about Alesmith and Bear Republic: both make wicked tasty beers.
What exactly is wrong with Anchor Steam, Tweety?
I expect more Wrexham-bashing if you're defending the indefensible, ogged.
What exactly is wrong with Sam Adams, Josh?
But seriously, I haven't had it in over ten years. I remember it being good.
SHIN-ER! SHIN-ER! SHIN-ER!
(Pantene, Sierra Nevada's fine & all, but what kind of Texan are you?)
Also, Live Oak! Especially Big Bark! And Full Moon!
I had an excellent Sam Smith Taddy Porter the other day. (Yes, I mean Smith, not Adams.)
Thesis: teo needs to get around more.
Sam Smith makes yummy beers. Their Oatmeal Stout is pretty much a meal.
Thesis: teo needs to get around more.
Evidence?
Shiner is delicious. If there's one thing Texas is good for, it's beer.
492: I haven't had it in over 10 years, either. My memory is that, while it was definitely a step up from the giant American brands, it was still one-note and not particularly strongly flavored. I like my beer with a bit more complexity than that.
493: I shoulda claimed my taste of the Porter when I brought you the second beer. Oh well. Whatever it was M/lls was drinking was pretty damn fine, too.
I drink anchor steam and am happy to find out that I am not a beer snob.
Evidence?
You haven't tasted enough different beers.
Josh, some of the Sam Adams seasonals are pretty good. I like the Oktoberfest.
I have drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best for months, and you know what I am? Content.
I have drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best for months, and you know what I am? Content A broke undergrad.
You haven't tasted enough different beers.
I've tasted quite a few different beers, just not most of the particular ones mentioned in this thread.
I have drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best for months, and you know what I am?
A college freshman.
499: Yeah, I haven't had anything other than the lager. Unfortunately, as I said at the meetup I can't drink much anymore, so I don't know that I'll get to sample the rest of their stuff anytime soon.
(I love beer, but if I'm going to be restricted in how much I can drink I'll choose whiskey over it ever time.)
P.S. Why the hell am I here playing the beer snob role, anyway? I fear M/M/ and I may have some boundary issues.
493: Not a native Texan, and I don't care for Shiner bock. The Shiner amber that I have tried recently was ok, not great.
I didn't drink much Sierra Nevada in college, and can still enjoy it now. Live Oak is very good, Samuel Smith is very good (especially the organic ale), and Real Ale, brewer of Pale Moon, if we are talking about the same beer, makes several good beers. Anchor steam is ok, but Liberty Ale and their porter are better.
Reaching back to last weeks lurking discussion, I have been doing so since sometime last year, enough that I was actually interested in the Austin brunch, so as to meet (some of) the people behind the pseuds, but I had no hope whatsoever of attending. But a future Austin meetup, I might make.
Cool, Pantene. We'd love to meet you.
there's been talk of an elsehwere in texas meetup, too, but none of it very serious.
oh, Anchor Steam isn't terrible, it's just a little generic, and not as bold as I usually like. I'm also a total sucker for heavy duty hopping.
508: You really should look into unibroue, if you haven't.
I don't like the heavy duty hopping, which seems to be awfully popular among the sorts of people who drink microbrews. This makes trying a new microbrew somewhat risky.
509 is correct, but why fuck around? Drink Chimay Bleu and be done with it.
heavy duty hopping
Pretty much describes what beers I will love best. You must try the Victory Hop Wallop. It puts their Hop Devil to shame.
408: You must love Anchor Liberty Ale, then.
Bad news for the hops-happy. (Not a new story, apparently, but I only heard it for the first time this morning.)
514: It's time, people! Recession special!
Proposal: During UnfoggeDCon weekend, we should spend some time at the Brickskeller, D.C.'s land of a thousand beers.
Proposal: During UnfoggeDCon weekend, we should spend some time at the Brickskeller, D.C.'s land of a thousand beers.
I'm down.
Another Austin resident here that would be interested in a meet up.
Between Thanksgiving and Christmas, my job is moving, and my son and wife have birthdays. How does January sound for an Austin gathering?
I'll be out of town until January 12, but whenever after that is fine.
Has anyone here tried any Surly beers? Fucking awesome.
I know I was ragging on Sierra Nevada upthread, but I had a couple of these last night and they were goddamned delicious.
Not a native Texan, and I don't care for Shiner bock.
SO BANNED.
Jeez, almost no West Coast people here. Oregon has tons of beers. Henry's Ale and Widmer Hefewisen are my favorites.
The Portland meetup will be at Higgins, a comfortable place featuring about 20 Belgian beers, and so on.
John I've been talking up West Coast beers all thread.
If you like wussy-ass lighter beers Lightning makes some real good stuff.
The Brickskeller's oookaaay, but I prefer the Saloon. Better atmosphere, bottles and draughts, same quality if not the same selection. What else do you need after the Eggenberg Dunkel?
Someplace with draft beer would be preferable. Very strong bottled beers age well and all, but a fresh draft keg is the way of the lord.
But, you know. I'm just BALBLBW.
524: Washington and BC both have some great local beers.
A mid-January Austin meet-up! Hooray!
Very late to the beer discussion, but I must say that I agree with Pantene regarding New Belgium. Which is a shame, since I'm a big fan of Belgian beers, and would love to have a U.S. version (or many) of Unibroue (which really does kick ass). I really do want New Belgium to be good, but they keep disappointing me with their profound mediocrity.
Victory is a great brewery, I like all of their products, and their Golden Monkey is one of the best U.S. Belgian-style beers I've had (Ommegang makes some good stuff too, but it's confusing trying to figure out whether it's made here or brewed under their direction in Belgium then imported).
Can't get it here in Austin, but Brooklyn Brewery is really good too; everything I've tried has been at the very least a supremely clean and competent example of the style, and many of them are downright excellent. I used to live just two blocks away from the brewery and went on their Tour and Tasting several times.
For local Texas breweries, I think Real Ale and Live Oak are both very good.
And Spec's started in Houston, I'm pretty sure, and is still confined only to Texas as far as I know. If you haven't already, Pantene, you should check out Grape Vine Market. They have a very wide selection, will try to hunt down anything you ask them about if they don't already carry it, and the very best thing is that you can buy single bottles of any of the beers they carry, facilitating finding beers you like without having to spring for a whole six-pack.
Lastly, Gibbons, if you don't mind revealing, what bar did you go to?
Beer is good. I recommend any sampler from Weyerbacher. That is all.
530: Ommegang is brewed in upstate NY. It is, indeed, quite fantastic.
I really don't like Brooklyn Brewery beers that much, I must admit.
Avery (California based) makes some good Belgian style beers.
530: Specs kicks almost all seven kinds of ass.
Someplace with draft beer would be preferable. Very strong bottled beers age well and all, but a fresh draft keg is the way of the lord.
I was very happy to see this article because hopefully it means that cask-conditioned ales will be more readily available out here in the sticks soon. Austin's Ginger Man often has one available, and the Draughthouse sometimes has several, but it's not enough, dammit!
When I lived in Edinburgh there was this one pub that was nothing special really EXCEPT they usually had this cask-conditioned cider that was incredibly incredibly awesome. We usually felt bad ordering it because pumping several pints of it up from the cellar was a serious workout for the poor barmaid (it seemed like it took a dozen or two pulls on the tap per glass, maybe something was wrong with their system), but it was so frothy and tart and fresh and delicious that we couldn't help ourselves (and we tipped very generously).
Sam Smith is the world's most overpriced brewery, with Young's a close second. British beers are wildly overpriced for some reason.
The best American "Belgian-style" beer I've had is Stoudt's Triple. Stoudt's is a pretty mainstream microbrewery based near Reading, PA, but that beer really stands out, as does the Scarlet Lady ESB.
(it seemed like it took a dozen or two pulls on the tap per glass, maybe something was wrong with their system)
I feel like that's not atypical, and I've only seen casked beers where the cask was right there undeneath the tap.
Ommegang is brewed in upstate NY. It is, indeed, quite fantastic.
I had a bottle of I think the Witte not too long ago, and was surprised that the label said it had been brewed for Ommegang in Belgium and then imported. But the labels of other styles indicate that they're brewed in New York. So like I said, confusing.
Huh, that's odd. I've been to the Brewery, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't in Belgium. Maybe it's just that style, yeah.
Capital Letters aRe fuN AnyWhere!
BALBLBW
Being a little bitch like Ben w-lfs-n.
517: I'm down.
Aww, cheer up, teo. It's not such a bad bar.
543: Actually, the canonical expression is "on the down low", and it doesn't mean "depressed", whitey.
541: Oh yeah? Well RHKNITPCQLLG to you, Sifu!
canical, Sir Kraab: YHBT HTH HAND
Shiner sucks. If I go to a bar that only has Shiner and Bud, I'm drinking Bud.
