Re: Marshall Makes Good

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Oh, hey, good news. Well earned - Marshall's one of the people who's really, really taken advantage of the net for serious, good ends.


Posted by: Bruce Baugh | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 9:53 PM
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Very impressive, and well deserved.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:11 PM
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He also deserves a huge amount of credit, I think, for saying no to (relatively) lucrative offers to give up his vision in exchange for partnerships with people like Sullivan. Instead, he kept building his site, with a clear idea of what he hoped to achieve, despite the huge risk involved in his choices. I assume that he's not even close to where he wants to be with his empire, that he's still very hungry. Which is a good thing for the discourse. I mean: The Discourse.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:33 PM
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"I want to note that Josh Marshall just won a George Polk Award for his journalism."

In the sense that "just won" means eight days ago.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:39 PM
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Stickler.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:41 PM
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Oh, wait, let me do my thing! That thing I do!

Hey, Bruce!

;-)


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:41 PM
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Huh. I expected Gary's link to go to his blog.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:46 PM
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"I expected Gary's link to go to his blog."

My neuroses have been getting in the way of my blogging at my blog. Comments are no pressure.

At my own blog, I feel obliged to make some minimal sense, and worse, to say something beyond just linking. Because I'm a little loony, if I'm not relaxed enough, I've taken to getting a form of performance anxiety, more or less. :-(


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:50 PM
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The ways of Gary's linking are as subtle a fluid as the ether.


Posted by: Bruce Baugh | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 10:56 PM
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I sympathize. I feel enough anxiety blurting out some lowsensical comment under a silly pseudonym. The idea of blog entries, let alone blog entries that others will read...


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:07 PM
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and did it while finishing his dissertation, which I'm not sure most people know

His dissertation on colonial American history (rather than, say, something at all related to his blogging), of course.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:07 PM
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Okay, fuckers, I'm back among your troll kind. The first time anyone threatens to leave an internet forum, they're just after attention, you know that, right? But the second time, I'm out of here for good.

Speaking of TPM, I just saw this post: RNC warns the Tennessee Republican Party to stop using "Middle Name Hussein" in attacks against Obama.

Holy shit. The RNC is declaring a smear off-limits. That means the RNC is going to play the campaign McCain's way, right? What the hell is the world coming to?


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:08 PM
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Ham-Love, I can't even remember why you left.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:11 PM
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They're distancing themselves publicly. I don't think you can conclude anything from that. Perhaps they feel overt usages will backfire.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:12 PM
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The RNC is declaring the smear to be off-limits for use by official entities with "Republican Party" in their name. Not taking a principled stand against it by any means.

I'm surprised they'd even do that, though. They're saying they don't think the mainstream media will consider it fair to use the guy's middle name.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:14 PM
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Eggplant has a million uses! Even pwnage!


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:15 PM
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11: Also, it's a great dissertation. He's as good a historian as he is a blogger/journalist.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:38 PM
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We've moved on, H-L. I don't know if there's a place for you here any more. Things are so different: Cryptic Ned discovered he was a lesbian; Ogged mellowed after having two children; and I've become the 44th President of the United States on the Islamofascism ticket.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:46 PM
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I still hate the polys, though.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 02-27-08 11:53 PM
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I'm paranoid enough that my first thought after hearing the McCain-Cunningham flap was that it was planned. Get him some good press and distract from the lobbyist affair. That's the kind of reflexive Republican skepticism that allows one to pwn.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 12:06 AM
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20: It also keeps Cunningham's statement in the news for longer. I certainly considered that intepretation

I agree with 4. This post, while nice, is oddly late.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 12:07 AM
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Or rather, self-pwn.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 12:10 AM
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It really is incredible, I don't think either the press or the Republican party is mature enough for a presidential campaign with either a black man or a woman running. We're currently at the mercy of spoiled, ignorant children with a toxic sense of entitlement. Will enough people even fucking see that and help change it? And yes, McCain is going to spend the next 9 months "walking away" from a steady barrage of Barack Khomeni Muslim Hamas Obama bullshit from the "true" Repubs and the press will tongue bathe him for it and ask for the chance to do it some more. (Am a bit depressed, am learning that some family and folks I know in some key states are getting caught up in the Obama = secret Muslim bullshit. Fucking fuck fuck.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 12:49 AM
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Cunningham was interviewed on NPR yesterday. I have never heard such a cynical, disingenuous liar in my life. He was all bluster and self-importance, about how maybe McCain had won himself a hearing with the great Cunningham, but now that's over! about how using public figures' middle names was a way of conveying respect for them! about how Hussein is a great namee within the Muslim tradition, no need to be ashamed of that....

Fucker.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 7:29 AM
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Yes.

We've all heard of John Sidney McCain, of course.

What a disingenuous son of a bitch. Cunningham was threatening to work for HRC with Coulter, too.

20: It could be. But the backlash from the crazies/religious right doesn't seem worth it for it to be planned now. That said, the whole campaign is going to be "I don't see why anyone would say Obama indoctrinates little children into jihad. I deplore anyone who smears Obama with the smear that he indoctrinates little children into jihad.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 7:35 AM
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25: why anyone would say Obama indoctrinates little children into jihad

And then there will be a "repudiated" 527-group ad that will play as a paid ad only once (but hundreds of times on cable as a part of the "story") in which a group of young Islamic children are walking down a street with other children in New York singing "Allah loves me this I Know, 'Cause the Koran tells me so", then Bang! one of them ignites their suicide vest. The "Daisy" ad of 2008.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 8:00 AM
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19: What do you have against extra fingers, B?


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 8:21 AM
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I doubt any of us can quite fathom just how ugly and offensive this campaign season is going to get. McCain will dutifully shake his head and tsk tsk at all the unsubtle racist garbage that's about to burst out nationwide, but he knows full well he needs it if he's going to win in November.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 8:26 AM
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Apo, we've already seen BHO compared to Jesse Jackson, Sr. You can't make me believe that it can get any uglier than that.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 8:40 AM
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29: Is that a joke?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 8:45 AM
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26: way too unsubtle.

One of the angles they seem to be exploring for Swiftboats 2008 seems to be Obama's "suspicious ties" to Raila Odinga, the Luo presidential candidate. That's what that National Examiner article with the turban photo focused on, in a way that screamed "GOP operative" to me. & sure enough, here's Jerome Corsi on the case. (The same Jerome Corsi who co authored the swiftboat vets book).

There are reports today that Odinga & Kibaki have reached an agreement to form a coalition gov't, which would screw this up some--Corsi is clearly hoping that the violence continues.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 9:09 AM
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30: Sarcasm.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 9:18 AM
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31: I've actually been a bit surprised that BHO hasn't been more engaged with the Kenya situation - it seemed like an obvious way to establish his foreign policy cred and pretty much wipe out the Experience issue against both opponents ("I negotiated a peace settlement in an African nation rent by tribal strife while running for President; what have you done lately?").

I know that he's made some phone calls, and maybe he just determined that he wouldn't be able to get results, and so shouldn't get his hands dirty. But it would've been awesome.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 9:21 AM
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31: way too unsubtle.

Yes of course, I know. I'm just trying to get outrageously outside the box in all directions. You are right that sniffing after Corsi is a good strategy to see where they are going. I think we are in the throw it all against the wall and see what sticks mode.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 9:24 AM
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surprised that BHO hasn't been more engaged with the Kenya situation

And become the "African candidate"? No way.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 9:28 AM
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And become the "African candidate"? No way.

Well, the key would be also to create a lasting peace in his other homeland, Hawaii. Perhaps a meeting with the heirs of Queen Liliuokalani?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 9:40 AM
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Silly, when Democratic elected officials meet with foreign leaders they're (criminally!) interfering with the Foreign Policy of the United States of America, which is known to be awesome (to future generations) because it was decided under extra, double secret secrecy with no meddlesome input from the "political branches."

If he was a Republican it would be OK, because he would just be burnishing his credentials as a globe-straddling envoy of the Pax Americana.


Posted by: ixnaythemetier | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 10:11 AM
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Oh, Kenyan elders, you mean well, but...


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 10:19 AM
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I've actually been a bit surprised that BHO hasn't been more engaged with the Kenya situation - it seemed like an obvious way to establish his foreign policy cred and pretty much wipe out the Experience issue against both opponents ("I negotiated a peace settlement in an African nation rent by tribal strife while running for President; what have you done lately?").

Africa doesn't count, silly.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 10:25 AM
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38: Check out the crediting on that piece: Byline for Noor Ali, but "writing by Daniel Wallis." Huh? Like, does Ali dictate the stories, but old Wallis types them up? Or was she the author in some more general sense, not limited to mere prose-assembly?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-28-08 10:32 AM
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