The other photos in that set are equally awesome.
Beautiful nearly ideal torso, great back, so wet!
Would be a beautiful yoga pose if the chin were away from the chest.
I'm going with "But Not In The Gay Butt Sex Way."
That meet is this weekend, isnt it?
Are you tapering?
Have you shaved off all of your dewy hair?
"But Not In The Gay Butt Sex Way."
Oh, right, of course.
That meet is this weekend, isnt it?
Yes!
Are you tapering?
I'm racing a sprint, I'm always already tapering.
Have you shaved off all of your dewy hair?
Friday!
I've been swimming more lately. It is very funny to see the girl's swim suits compared to their bikini bottoms. They are very tan, except of the really white places that are covered by their bikini bottoms.
Have you learned to go off the blocks? Or are you going to start from the edge of the pool?
Have you learned to go off the blocks?
Yes. (For a loose definition of "learned.")
Ok, off to swim...
9.4 -- So there's still time to encourage waxing instead? 'Cause, stubble, so irritating.
I forget the canonical version (I think it's "and", not "but" ; and it's "good", not gay), but yes, just noting how gay-but-not-gay flipping through these photos can be.
Have you shaved off all of your dewy hair?
Friday!
You can get it done in one day?
16: wait, what's not gay about it?
18: The same thing that's not gay about everything gay men do? That we imagine it's not gay.
1 is implausible. This is a swimming thread, after all.
22:
You realize that I am 40, right? What does that mean>?
You can get it done in one day?
If they can shear a sheep in less than a day, I'm sure ogged won't have any problems...
On reflection, you may have a point.
24: at his age he can't remember things that are so far back in the thread.
But Not If...That Gay Battlestar...Warcraft
I give up
(I think it's "and", not "but" ; and it's "good", not gay)
No, it's "good". Canonical usage would be something like "so and so is totally gay, and not in that good buttsex way, either".
But Noticing Indecision, The Gay Bear Softly Whispers
Oh, I didn't think the thread had actually been mostly about what the acronym means. wow, even more boring than the usual swimming thread.
sorry.
That bear wasn't gay, Sifu, he was just a bear who has sex with hunters.
In my mind, Ogged is a hairless wonder. Is he actually a hairy beast?
He's hairless and wondrous where it counts.
Why is a lady having sex with a bear "traditional Canadian spirituality", while a guy having sex with a bear is a coarse joke. I call reverse sexism.
Gay Battlestar
Gay Bear
great back
glistening back!
In my mind, Ogged is a hairless wonder. Is he actually a hairy beast?
Ok, I have to assume this will end up on unfogged eventually, but just in case...
Dammit, Ogged. I may have to flake due to a scheduling conflict that afternoon. Also, the 200 IM and 100 Free are back to back, which seems ill advised in my current state of conditioning. Do you have any idea how many heats/entries they expect?
Sifu, JRoth, other cycling people hanging around: a friend of mine is going to buy this bike shortly. Any reason I should advise to the contrary?
200 IM?!?! Are you crazy, water m???? That is going to hurt.
40: I think the "eventually" you're looking for was couple of years ago.
42: sweet. I love Raleigh 3 speeds. They weigh a ton, but are fun to ride and built like tanks.
They weigh a ton.
Yeah, I was wondering how she'll bring it to her walk up apartment and back myself.
If she's the right size for it she'll find it heavy. It resists rain, keeps its rider clean and is comfortable to ride for inexperienced cyclists and people wearing clothes for the office or school. If she's got a ground floor place for it, fine.
42- Seems expensive as well. Maybe because it's vintage; at least 30 years old. It's not fast or light, but it's sturdy and looks cool.
43: It's a fucking long course meet though, so I can't do the 100 IM. I figure if I just take it easy on the butterfly I should be OK...
The upright riding position is terrific fun in a 19th century day out in the country sort of way. And hey, the carrying'll build upper body strength!
48: it does seem expensive, although it's in great shape. I would generally think of those costing $100 or less.
Raleighs aren't necessarily that old, I don't think. There was a Taiwanese version manufactured into the 80s.
I hate long course with a passion, but Ogged shamed me into it. Besides, someone from the blog should be there if he expires mid-breaststroke.
Ah, that's why it's pricey. It was made in England in the 70's before bikes were made in Taiwan. You can tell by the wheels.
55: oh, hm. In which case it's a funny choice for a city beater.
Ok, now tell me why I shouldn't have purchased these pedals (still waiting for delivery on them so haven't tried them yet) so that I can ride comfortably either with clipless shoes or regular sneakers. I currently have clipless pedals without much of a platform around them and they're annoying for riding in sneakers, though that is the main way I've been riding.
57 because you... hate... yourself?
it's a funny choice for a city beater.
Depends on the premium you put on style, I guess.
58: I was more wondering if there was some flaw in them which unfogged's collective cycling knowledge would reveal.
Why are they called clipless if your shoes cliip into them?
I hate long course with a passion, but Ogged shamed me into it. Besides, someone from the blog should be there if he expires mid-breaststroke.
A post is required. Maybe even a youtube clip.
59- Not at all. Those are nice pedals. Nicer than mine, in fact, which is somewhat irritating.
60 has troubled humankind (or cyclists) down through the ages. The answer is that they don't have toe-clips, those old-fashioned thingies that one had to cinch down to make work, thereby guaranteeing that even a minor collision -- or a stop at a light -- would result in death for the rider. Clipless pedals are better, as they only result in death for the rider when adjusted improperly, as my first set, many years ago, was (slow bike in anticipation of stopping at intersection, wrench leg to remove foot from pedal, grind slowly to a halt, panic, wrench leg still harder, come to stop, topple over, THUNK, treat wounds).
A good, if eccentric, resource for 3-speed info is Sheldon Brown's web pages.
From the dawn of time, man has fallen over at intersections.
65: he died recently, sadly enough.
I should say, I have both a (later) raleigh and a modern 3 speed (one of these) and I like the modern one quite a bit more, even though it's maybe not as classy, and actually maybe not as fast on flat ground.
Ah, the old rat traps were OK. Yeah, you had to lean over and release the strap every time you stopped. But, I have fallen from a stop with the clip/cages and the "clipless" clips and in neither case did I die. I was very embarrassed, but no death.
59: My only concern is how tall the studs are at the front and back - when I've seen pics of those pedals taken at an angle, the studs have looked tall, as if they might not be comfy with thin-soled sneaks. But I've never looked at them in person.
I've always had the platform clipless on my MTB, for your reason, and I find them perfectly workable with the bike shoes.
I agree with all the comments on the Raleigh. I'd only add that there are hills in Brooklyn - an out-of-shape cyclist would struggle up them with that bike.
and in neither case did I die
Then you aren't doing it right.
When my clipless were brand new, I had an unexpected stop at an intersection, and never stood a chance at releasing my foot. But I fell in slow motion, and landed on both hands, so no harm (plus it was winter, so I was padded)
Hey Sifu, that Jamis is pretty slick. A little stylish, but not explicitly retro. Nice.
Oh, the Raleigh: I own one and *could* use it here, where it's very flat, without being annoyed. But for places where there's any topography, it's sort-of a silly choice, particularly at that price point. Unless, that is, style is really the core goal. In which case, forget that they're tank-heavy and only have three speeds; they're lovely and work quite well. On the other hand, I'd be willing to be that a vintage Raleigh will be stolen within minutes of locking it outside for the first time. Professional bike theives know that there's a market for that bike.
I'll endorse the Raleigh 3-speed. It is a great utility bike. I rode all over Boston and the suburbs with a 3-speed as a kid. Even on hills I did OK.
thieves
I before E except after C -- unless you're very tired. Then, anything goes. Right, Ben?
Oh yeah, Strunk & White* always gave a pass for exhaustion.
* I know S&W is deprecated; I just used them for the joke, feeble as it was.
ogged,
Are you swimming in meets now? Very cool!
I've dusted off my implements and will participate in a track meet in about three weeks. Geez it is a long road back, with soreness every day.
Because my new 6K shots are smaller than the Olympic size I bought two. I've been trying to think up a carrying sling with them hanging down, one lower than the other of course.
Would that be gay? I suppose if I have to ask I know the answer.
Cheapo strapless clips are better than nothing, IMO, and OK for an hour or two in town.
I use toeclips to this day, for a variety of reasons. Now that you can get them in plastic, they no longer cut the tops of shoes; you used to have to tape them to prevent that.
Traditional practice is to leave one side at least loose enough to withdraw and put a foot down. You still get a lot of support and foot location at that tightness.
All-out track riders used to have to tighten both, of course. Tightening the strap was the last thing as you got underway. There's a great picture of Beryl Burton, arguably one of the best cyclists in the world, of either gender, in the sixties when she held an absolute, not women's endurance record, waiting for the start signal. Her husband Charlie is holding her up, and her hand is on the strap as she focuses down the track.
I before E except after C -- unless you're very tired. Then, anything goes. Right, Ben?
I'm willing to make an exception for you, Ari. I know it's hard.
I know it's hard.
For select values of "it," anyhow.
I use toe clips on my racing bike because (a) my clipless pedals aren't the kind you can really use with regular shoes, (b) I don't want to put MTB pedals on that bike because it's so classic and (c) the clips are old school campy record and match the bike and it's just hard not to use them.
I've always had the platform clipless on my MTB,
Oh, that's the other thing I was a little concerned about: I only own one bike which I use for all biking activities, which is a 2003 or 2004 Specialized Allez. I know they're downhill pedals, but I don't know if I should care about that fact. Having not yet tried them I'm not sure, but I don't think I care about the weight, which I would think is the main concern in putting downhill pedals on a road bike, and I need new shoes anyway since the only ones I have were lent to me by a friend and have always been a little too small.
82: it might look a little silly, but who cares.
I may have to flake due to a scheduling conflict that afternoon
Noooooo!!!! Just do the IM. I emailed the meet organizer last night to get a sense of timing, etc., but haven't heard back. Nevertheless! I'll see you there!
I really want to go swimming--well more bathing than lap swimming today. It is so damn hot.
81: In other words, aesthetics. Which would be a fine reason to buy the Raleigh also. What's your racing bike? I'll show you mine, if you show me yours.
87: the only picture I have online doesn't do a very good job showing the bike. It's a Pinarello, '84, mostly original components. I don't know the model; the badging was pretty faded by the time I got it.
Why are they called clipless if your shoes cliip into them?
"Clipless" is one of those annoying words that means the opposite of what it seems to, absent some cyclist telling you the relevant bit of information.
Learning to use clipless MTB pedals was one of the more painful 2-week periods of my adult life. First week was just forgetting they were there, wrenching my leg up and falling over. Second week was being unable to clip out fast enough on hills, resulting in comical but painful zero-mph crashes as I keeled over sideways for lack of momentum.
I use toeclips with my 1980s steel-frame Nishiki touring bike for aesthetics and just don't tighten them too much when riding in the city. Haven't toppled over yet (at least, when on my bicycle).
I'll show you mine, if you show me yours.
Maybe we can divert from swimming to cycling. Much better.
88: SL or SLX? Probably SL from that era, right? Either way, that's a lovely bike. I have a Red DeRosa that's about that age, equipped similarly. But I don't ride it any more. Because I'm not cool enough. Now I ride a Ti jobbie that requires no love to work properly.
83 gets it exactly right.
If my road bike was my only bike, I would almost certainly put the platforms on there - otherwise you basically have to ride with bike shoes, and you'll find yourself riding less than you might.
I was psyched to find an Allez at a good price, but it didn't quite feel right - ended up with a Felt that fits awesome.
I before E except after C
i sense some kind of rule here but don't see what c you are talking about in thief
38 scary looking stitches, what kind of ope is it to go all around the belly or maybe it's a knife wound or just fake ope scar?
thanks, 39, i wondered does water glisten like that maybe he oiled himself before swimming to look brighter! or it might add some smooth swimming effect or speed when one swims etc
92: I think probably. It isn't a Montello; it doesn't have the fully chromed rear triangle. It's amazingly durable; even with riding it messengering for a while it still requires almost no maintenance (I had to replace the front wheel and the rock-hard seat, but other than that pretty much everything is original).
I also own a Huffy BMX from about the same era, but that bike serves a somewhat different purpose.
I have what you guys are referring to as toe clips (they seem more like straps, but anyway) on my road bike. I've never had a problem slipping shoes in and out of them. I want to go clipless for races, but I'm afraid I would ride around town less.
Speaking of beautiful bikes, I was at the air and space museum the other week and saw this amazing Wright Brothers bike.
I before E
except after C,
or when sounded as A,
as in "neighbor" and "weigh."
Thus thief and receive.
Unless you're doing serious racing you don't need to tighten your toeclips. I just leave mine loose enough to get my feet in and out without adjusting them and they do just fine for commuting, touring, audaxes, etc.
I was going to say something about not caring that much about equipment, but then I found out that there are websites for everything. I must have some reason for keeping a 20-year old road bike.
98: They already had a machine that could fly.
Gorgeous.
101: Oh, that makes me so sad. I meticulously restored, then utterly* destroyed, my father's 1976 Fuji. I only got to ride 13 months on it.
* And carelessly.
Gonerill, why haven't we ridden together while you've been out this way? What a waste. Anyway, here's one of my road bikes. Unfortunately, I can't find a picture of the one I ride more often, which is also a Serotta, but a Legend (all Ti -- boooooring). And my daily use mtb is an Ibis Silk Ti (also no pic -- sorry).
I'm not a roadie, though. I'd rather take on chollas and dropoffs on rocky desert singletrack than F-350s on two-lane roads.
why haven't we ridden together while you've been out this way?
See 91.
Now, starring Ari Kelman as...
TI-Man!!
Seriously, Ari, what does professoring pay that you have not one, but two Serottas?
It's the payments from Soros, isn't it?
Seriously, Ari, what does professoring pay that you have not one, but two Serottas?
In addition to a titanium mountain bike and a classic Italian road bike. Ari's a coke dealer; there's no way around it.
Since we're sharing, mine is here.
For the record, I bought my Ellsworth second hand.
107: So you've heard of the international Jewish conspiracy? Seriously, I have three very expensive bikes -- the Serottas and the Ibis -- and all of them are vestiges of a previous life. As are the less expensive bikes, some of which are far more stylish (the DeRosa, the Raleigh, a steel Ibis, some others). Also, I've never bought a new bike, which cuts costs in half. And usually I've gotten my frames and parts from racers I used to know well back in the days when I rode more frequently.
The short answer, then, is: I buy expensive bikes cheap, I don't buy any bikes at all any more, now I'm old and fat.
Ari's a coke dealer one of the seven Jewish bankers that control the world's money supply.
My bike has a new basket. It's really like the Wicked Witch of the West now.
all of them are vestiges of a previous life. [...] I don't buy any bikes at all any more, now I'm old and fat.
I think this pretty much confirms 108.
Damn, pwned by Ol' Moneybags himself.
109: that's awesome.
113: that's awesome.
We bought Iris a basket for her bike - on the condition that she ride the damn thing. Her enthusiasm lasts exactly 3 pedal strokes. Drives me up the fucking wall.
C'mon, bribes!
toe clips taught me to track-stand on nearly any surface though. Avoiding the annoyance of three seconds to loosen a strap via hours of learning to balance. I don't ride these days, but I bet I could still stand a few minutes, anyway.
I used to babysit for a family, one of the grandmothers of which would ride around with a bike basket. Plus, she was kind of bitchy. Her DIL would hum the Wicked Witch theme, but it took years for the husband to notice. When he did, he thought it was hilarious.
109- That frame is ginormous. 27-inch? You can't find production road frames that big now.
What a sad, sad thread. I had a pretty sweet Peugeot that I used to ride a lot, but I abandoned it at my last residence, because I'm old enough to drive and all.
Ogged's just mad that BMW doesn't make black bicycles.
122- I'll wave when I catch you pumping gas.
My family used to swim a lot, but several million years ago they abandoned the oceans for a more civilized life on dry land.
122: Peugeot! That was my college bike!
It was a really sweet frame, though I would have had to have changed virtually everything else to turn it into a fully wantable bike. Of course, since I went to college in a town with probably the highest per capita rate of bike theft, it's understandable why I didn't put that money in.
Still, I hope one of the later owners did, it would've been worth it if you weren't always leaving the bike around the city center.
Jesus, if this heat goes on any longer, I'm going to buy a kiddie pool and just loll in it. Getting up for more ice cream will count for laps.
I have a crappy bike that my dad got for me at REI when I was in high school.
I can't show you any pictures of it because it's thirty-odd miles away.
126: Mine evolved lungs.
The heat is not making me feel like crap. Mysterious persistent cranky gastrointestinal issues are, and thus I whine. (It would be easier if I were actually ill, because then I could justify taking the day off.)
My dad has suggested that he might give me his heaviest bike, if it fits me.
His heaviest bike is as light as a feather compared to my only bike.
Today is our 4th straight 100-degree day, but the forecast for the next week only has one day over 90 (Saturday, 92). Help is on the way!
109- That frame is ginormous. 27-inch? You can't find production road frames that big now
26" but it is huge. The thinking when it was made was get the largest triangle. Today frames are smaller and stiffer, and the saddle-handlebar-pedal triangle would be achieved with longer extensions to the stem and seatpost. Which is what I did in HS to keep my bike rideable after I'd grown. Had to make the parts, cutting and swaging; today they're commercially available.
As I say in the post, when new that huge frame was matched to standard 165mm crankarms and small handlebars. If you were big enough for the frame, you needed much more than that. A torture machine, extraordinary rendition.
I think the heat is giving me mysterious gastro-intestinal ailments. Or maybe it goes heat ---> insomnia ---> fucked circadian rhythyms --->mysertious g-i a. Fucking heat.
My family used to swim a lot, but several million years ago they abandoned the oceans for a more civilized life on dry land.
The Irish are descended from seals, as explained in O'Brien's "The Poor Mouth", which was written in Irish Gaelic and is really untranslatable, except for the part explaining that the Irish are descended from seals and have many seal-like qualities.
Stop torturing me, sweaty people of the east! Here: 49 degrees and drizzling. I'm surprised that depressed people aren't gunning down strangers right and left.
That's a possibility. Either that or I've suddenly become sensitive to coffee (no!) or dairy (worse!)
I think my ancestors came out of the ocean to get dairy products.
esus, you don't want this heat. A quart of milk mysteriously clotted overnight in the refrigerator, even though there were no power outages and everything else seems okay. I think. This is my first east-coast summer with hair past my shoulders, and even after all these years of trying to grow it out, I am wistfully dreaming about lopping it all the fuck off. It's so hot I'm looking forward to the hour-long subway trip I have in front of me.
137: how is dairy worse than coffee? many manage dairy sensitivity without having to toss out the really good bits...
What's the name of the John Sayles movie about the beautiful wife in the Western Isles who's a seal? It's bestiality day on Unfogged!
It's been mosly sitting in the mid 90s here for weeks now here, but that's pretty normal for this time of year, i think
Everyone seems to be having shitty weather, except for us in the Rockies of course. About 70 right now, with a breeze and a few clouds. The kiddies are outside running around with their friends and eating ice cream sandwiches, and in a bit we're heading over to the rec. center to swim.
Jeez. There are a bunch of bicyclists here. I have half a mind to suggest an Unfogged team at RAGBRAI. Iowa in the last week of July. Boy is that a blast.
Today is our 4th straight 100-degree day,
Really?! I honestly didn't know. One of the few things I miss when I stopped watching TV was getting a sense of the US weather.
I know it is one the web but I never seem to bother.
Don't the Mormons flock dangerously during good weather?
It's 83 and gloriously sunny here. A touch warm for my taste, but I just swam and I'll be swimming again in a couple of hours, so I guess I won't complain.
142: The Secret of Roan Inish, I think.
We're having a crazily beautiful spring here. Seriously, we've only had a couple of unbearable days. Nights have consistently been in the 50s. The strawberries are delicious. Also: I'm pro-torture. And a crazed settlement-loving Zionist.
144: we just had a dump of rain which brought it down to 80 or so, nice today. I'm unhappy to discover that hitting 90s in feb/march didn't phase me this year (actually feb was probably only 80s). I've got to move before that becomes too normal.
145: Next, people will admit that they collect mechanical watches.
Weather Service says it 34C at National Airport with 57% humidity. Time to go for a 25 mile bike ride. I hope the t-storms (40% chance) don't get me.
A quart of milk mysteriously clotted overnight in the refrigerator, even though there were no power outages and everything else seems okay.
Disgusting weather. I hate this heat so much. I feel like I'm being punished for something.
145: Next, people will admit that they collect mechanical watches.
From Russia.
133: Those were the sizes for the aforementioned Fuji - my dad's 6-4. I'm (a bit) shorter, but I still upgraded the bar and crankarms.
As nice as it was getting a lighter bike when I replaced the Fuji, the fits-right aspect was the best part (OK, that and non-suck brakes).
What's the name of the John Sayles movie about the beautiful wife in the Western Isles who's a seal?
The Secret of Roan Inish, a lovely film. To fellow parents I recommend The Seal Maiden, a musical version of the same tale sung and narrated by Karan Casey.
daily use mtb is an Ibis Silk Ti
I'm with everyone else in thinking that this seems excessive.
OTOH, it matches my preferences nicely.
My bike is Ti MTB that I've gradualy shifted as far as possible in the direction of commuting when I decided that (1) I don't have the right attitude for mountain biking and (2) when riding in traffic I like the more upright riding position on a mountain bike.
About a year ago I put a rigid Ti fork on the bike, and it has been absolutely fantastic.
I refuse to accept any claim of pwnage on 158 due to extensive research and carefully handcrafted tags.
It's actually nice in Minneapolis, although I've spent the last two days chained to my computer writing fund reports. Bah. Tomorrow I think it's supposed to rain.
Good luck on your meet, Oggedy.
To fellow parents I recommend The Seal Maiden, a musical version of the same tale sung and narrated by Karan Casey.
You could also listen to the Gordon Bok version (title track).
I feel like I'm being punished for something.
If you don't know what you're being punished for, you can rest assured that God does, Mary Catherine.
This is my first east-coast summer with hair past my shoulders, and even after all these years of trying to grow it out, I am wistfully dreaming about lopping it all the fuck off.
JM, if your hair's past your shoulders, you can put it up. Get one of those clamp things--they're so easy.
If you don't know what you're being punished for, you can rest assured that God does
George Bush's God does not adhere to the Geneva Conventions?
I have two pocket watches, but neither is from Russia.
I feel like I'm being punished for something.
The presence of women tends to curdle milk, sink fishing boats, and cause mine disasters.
Also: I'm pro-torture. And a crazed settlement-loving Zionist.
As anti-Semites. Unfoggetarians are happy to help you get closer to your roots. Certainly we're more helpful than Israelis would be.
Oddly, I have sexual fantasies about neither seals not bears. I know for a fact that seals have bad breath, are irritable, and make extremely annoying noises. I know less about bears but they don't attract me. Of course, I'm not a Canadian chick.
re: 156
Ironically, I have about half a dozen Russian mechanical watches. And three or four Russian or Eastern European mechanical cameras, too.
Not ironic, I knew you did and that it's evening over there, so we'd soon see your response. Maybe Ari did too and was being more subtle.
re: 170
Heh. I wouldn't say I collect them, though. Cheapness relative to quality was the motivating factor.
I'm not a Canadian chick.
As far as you know.
McCain's pledge to "veto every beer" will not endear him to the citizens of Canada.
Swim question: my daughter has started doing swim team, which she likes and is getting to be a much better swimmer and a lot stronger too.
Only she seems to be allergic to chlorine or something else in the pool. Being in the pool a lot makes her sneeze like crazy. Anyone else run into this? Is there anything to be done about it?
Anyone else run into this? Is there anything to be done about it?
My wife has, but it was at a pool that uses ozone rather than chlorine. Find out what they use at your pool, then seek out the other kind. Might not work, worth a shot.
174:
If they use chlorine (most likely) try to find out when and how they add the chlorine and how closely they monitor it. One year my kid's swimming lessons at the "Y" were right after they added chlorine every day and the concentration was very high for the start of the lesson.
Otherwise I guess I can only say good goggles and a nose pincher might help but if the problem is caused by inhaled vapor near the water I dunno.
Have you asked the coach or your Doctor for advice?
Have you asked the coach or your Doctor for advice?
Are you kidding? Last night I was talking to my wife about this and I thought at last , a use for an unfogged swimming thread.
Googling around I see that actual chlorine allergies are quite rare, but sinusitis and chemical 'sensitivity' is not uncommon. Maybe will start with a nose plug - poor girl.
Maybe will start with a nose plug - poor girl.
If this allows her to swim well and help the team no one is gonna care about how it looks. If that is what you mean.
Well, she's not really to the level of 'help the team' yet.
