Well, I like MMA just fine. I used to do matwork in my old hapkido class, and appreciate the work on the floor. A classmate of mine used to caress opponents' special bits to unbalance them, then get them in some kind of lock with his feet (I was never any good at those). Fighting him was like full contact gay chicken.
Also, Rampage doesn't seem to be handling losing the title very well.
The very first comment to that article reads dont start making fun of a multi-faceted sport incorporating the most deadly martial arts and highest levels of athleticism
—odd, because aside from a little off-color ribbing, the article doesn't make fun at all.
Vox Day gonna getcha. He's the toughest guy in the world. Curb your laughter if you want to stay alive.
You know, your point here would be better understood with photos.
7: Wow. It must've been really hard to keep clicking pause on that one, apo. Good for you!
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Remember the wedding portrait of the disfigured Marine and his bride with the deer-in-the-headlights look?
9: That article was more true-to-life than I expected it to be.
Hilariously, the link in 7 doesn't actually give me any video; just audio.
Okay, now off to read the depressing divorce article.
9: Wow. That really is just plain sad.
the link in 7 doesn't actually give me any video
I guess you're just not gay enough.
10: Agreed. And I don't find it sad, actually.
14: Either that or firefox is acting like crap again.
Nope, restarting doesn't help. It must just be my insufficient gayness.
Works for me in both Firefox and Safari. [shrug]
That's because you're gayer than I am. Duh.
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Sleuth with Michael Caine and Baron Olivier is awesome.
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I'm with B on this one -- it would be way sadder if they were staying together in spite of how they felt, just to keep from making jms and Stanley sad.
Maybe the interviewer just caught the guy on a perfect dosage day, but he sounds pretty together, all things considered.
Of course, I'm a shitty judge of how together fucked-up people actually are.
Sleuth with Michael Caine and Baron Olivier is awesome.
True, but Sleuth with Michael Caine and Baron Cohen would be better.
Oh god, I saw some 'world extreme cagematch' before the tour de france started the other night. It was so porno. (I know, a double dose of gayness!).
9: the people in that article sound really healthy and sane. You know, all things considered.
It's from the state of Illinois declaring his wedding a state holiday.
Says the lizardbrain: 'fuck you, state of Illinois.'
The Out article ruled. Nobody told him about "checking the oil", though? For shame. What cracks me up is the MMA fans who will swear up and down that there is nothing even a little bit gay about watching people fight with BJJ.
26: In other "exploitation of military folks"/Liberal Media news, this galling tidbit emerged from the recent House report on Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. (Email exchange between Karl Rove and Ron Fournier - AP Reporter and current Washington Bureau head for AP):
Karl Rove exchanged e-mails about Pat Tillman with Associated Press reporter Ron Fournier, under the subject line "H-E-R-O." In response to Mr. Fournier's e-mail, Mr. Rove asked, "How does our country continue to produce men and women like this," to which Mr. Fournier replied, "The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight."
The fact that Rove was in the middle of the effort to cover-up and exploit the circumstances of Tillman's death lifts this to a class of its own.
"[MMA was] Described memorably by John McCain in 1998 as 'human cockfighting' ..."
Heh.
I've watched a lot of MMA and never noticed even a hint of gayness. Does this mean I'm completely immune to gayness? Or that I just don't watch enough gay pron?* Or What? What's wrong with me?
* To be fair, when I watched that one gay pron wrestling video the Lur once posted here, my first thought was "funny, this looks a lot like an MMA fight". But then they started fucking.
never noticed even a hint of gayness.
Does this mean I'm completely immune to gayness?
Maybe it's more like how fish don't notice water, Brock. You do spend a lot of time here, after all.
re: 31
Heh at the BJJ illustrations, yeah.
Also (dorkily) -- their boxing and kickboxing illustrations are a bit weird/dubious.
Sorry, grappling just doesn't strike me as especially gay. Unless it's followed by buttsex.
I mean, okay--it's two sweaty dudes grinding against one another. So there's that. But they're fighting!
33,34: Well of course it's not all going to be up to the standards that you've grown accustomed to Brock.
Dude, Brock. There's a choke that used to be called the "69". The triangle, one of the first chokes you learn in BJJ, involves wrapping your legs around somebody's head, grabbing their arm, and pulling them towards your crotch. "Checking the oil", that I mentioned above? An unsanctioned (but very effective) move where you distract your opponent by sticking your finger in his ass. I mean it obviously is different from gay sex, but you really don't see even the slightest similarity?
The Out article is incredibly juvenile and silly. It's as if a zombie watched a team of ER surgeons cutting open a patient and removing his organs and concluded, "Hey! Surgeons are a lot like zombies because they like to rip out people's guts just like we do!" Yes, they do, but for very different reasons.
34: two sweaty, mostly naked dudes rolling around on the ground, limbs entangled, trying to mount each other, yeah.
Damn, where can I watch this MMA business? Should I start paying for cable teevee?
re: 37
The article might be a bit silly, but it's not as if there isn't thousands of years of precedence for men finding other men fighting each other a bit horny.
Or men finding women fighting each other a bit horny, for that matter.*
* actually, for all X, there's some men that find X horny ... but leave that aside for the moment.
They've started airing some on CBS.
40: right, I mean obviously fighting and fucking are different things, but, y'know, the term "an orgy of violence" didn't get coined for nothing.
Well, kids, the word used for fighting in the Iliad, "mignumi," means "to mix." It is also a word for sexual congress. There's lots of mixing and penetrating bodies in the Iliad.
An unsanctioned (but very effective) move where you distract your opponent by sticking your finger in his ass. I mean it obviously is different from gay sex, but you really don't see even the slightest similarity?
If you're asking whether I'd try to distract a gay lover by sticking a finger in his ass, the answer is no, I would not.
My point was that they're doing all these things for a reason--they're fighting. And doing whatever is necessary to win. Although I can certainly see why gay men might enjoy watching it--was that the only point?
Sleuth with Michael Caine and Baron Olivier is awesome.
Correct.
Although I can certainly see why gay men might enjoy watching it--was that the only point?
Well, yeah. Nobody's trying to claim that the fighters or the fans are gay as a general rule. Just that it's sort of hilarious and funny that the line between ass-kicking ur-het entertainments and actual literal gay porn is becoming so fine.
If you're asking whether I'd try to distract a gay lover by sticking a finger in his ass, the answer is no, I would not.
"Brock. Brock! I'm still angry that you forgot to take out the garbage! Stop that!"
Nobody's trying to claim that the fighters or the fans are gay as a general rule.
Because one of the closeted ones, e.g. Vox Day, will get mad and kill you.
Here is the true story of a gay MMA fighter who was "outed" by the New York Times. (It sounds like he outed himself to a Times reporter, but whatever.)
The linked blog mentions that MMA is actually "a ridiculously-homophobic industry" and that it may be hard for the guy to get fights now.
And of course, who can forget this classic video clip?
The linked blog mentions that MMA is actually "a ridiculously-homophobic industry"
It is indeed. Wonder why!
One of the first season episodes of Queer Eye they madeover these twin brothers who were MMA fighters, who had to get over some heavy-duty homophobia. Watching the homophobes rolling around on the floor together while the gay dudes looked on in amazement was... more than a little funny.
it may be hard for the guy to get fights now
Couldn't they make the gay guy into a WWF-style villain, like Gorgeous George?
Why is hatred of gays the only hatred that gets labeled a "phobia"? Is it because "homophobia" sounds catchy with all those o's in there?
53: because "misohomo" sounds too much like "me so homo" for homophobes.
"Homophobia" was originally used to refer to men who were uncomfortable AROUND gay men and afraid of what those gay men might do. Now it means people who have any type of prejudice about any kind of non-hetero sexuality. I think this was done in order for prejudiced people to say "I'm not afraid of gay people, I just don't like them!" and think they have made a point.
Yeah, but what about anti-homoism?
It's as if a zombie watched a team of ER surgeons cutting open a patient and removing his organs and concluded, "Hey! Surgeons are a lot like zombies because they like to rip out people's guts just like we do!" Yes, they do, but for very different reasons.
Very good comparison, actually.
Except instead of regular surgeons it should be people who perform surgery as a hobby. And are mad scientists really that different from zombies?
Why is hatred of gays the only hatred that gets labeled a "phobia"?
Xenophobia?
Freshman year of college, we accused a fellow student of being a little homophobic, and he responded, "What? I ain't afraid of no gays."
And upon further reflection, Islamophobia.
I am slighted that Muslim-haters are phobic while Jew-haters are merely anti-Semitic. Does no one fear us? Aren't we scary enough, what with controlling the world behind the scenes and all that?
60: you can insist people use Judeophobia if you'd like.
I am slighted that Muslim-haters are phobic while Jew-haters are merely anti-Semitic. Does no one fear us? Aren't we scary enough, what with controlling the world behind the scenes and all that?
Alan Dershowitz bloviates at length on this point in his book Chutzpah. His major beef with the word "anti-Semitism" seems to be that it is too readily adopted as a label by people who are not ashamed to hate Jews (the word, he says, was originally coined as a self-descriptor by European racists, and did not necessarily carry a negative connotation until the post-WWII period).
Dershowitz flirts with the idea of replacing "anti-semitism" with "Judeophobia", but ultimately settles on "Judeopathy" (analogous to "psychopathy"), on the theory that anti-Semitism is more characteristic of mental illness than fear.
Heebophobia.
A justified anticipation to my coming Heebotyranny.
Oh noes! She's finished therapy, and she's blogging!
Blogging about being 200 ft tall and swatting at airplanes like they were mosquitos. And what I had for lunch.
63: I've had somebody bloviate at length to me about how "anti-semitic" isn't the right term because actually (this is framed as a "gotcha" moment) Ashkenazi jews aren't really semitic at all and (second gotcha moment) Palestinians totally are! He was of the rare and unfortunate species of leftist who's politics grew naturally from his sociopathy and genuine (sure, I'll go with the Dershowitz term) Judeopathy.
I am slighted that Muslim-haters are phobic while Jew-haters are merely anti-Semitic. Does no one fear us?
Hebephobia was already taken. You could fight someone for it.
66: I think the Boeing 747 is itself about 200 feet long, so it would be more like swatting away vampires.
I put Bugles corn chips on my finger tips to avoid mashing the keyboard when I type. (Giant Bugle corn chips. Otherwise that wouldn't make any sense.)
I think the Boeing 747 is itself about 200 feet long, so it would be more like swatting away vampires.
I didn't mention that my hands are disproportionately large. They're each like water towers themselves.
Heebie fear is not a phobia as such, but an archaic term for Heebie worship, like "God-fearing".
52: Gorgeous George and Liberace remind me of late spinoffs of Oscar Wilde.
Oh my gosh, I'm wearing such a cute dress! And have a very tiny waist. And I've died my hair blond.
75: say, can heebie buy a print of her portrait for a low, low, price?
Oh, I wouldn't even know where to go for such a thing. Where does one go?
One might go here.
Now I feel like a spammer. Anybody need some C/al/s?
Nonsense, mcmc. Buying a print from you was the smartest purchase I ever made!
81: Some day it will be worth jillions, I'm telling you. Jillions!
I don't think it's called spamming when your customers will be so pleased with their product. I think that's called being helpful.
Anybody need some C/al/s?
What, is there an Ultimate Fighter marathon on Spike?
Some day it will be worth jillions, I'm telling you. Jillions!
Sifu, my understanding is that the value of works of art tends to go up upon the death of the artist, particular if the artist dies unexpectedly in some kind of lurid, well-publicized spectacle, if you catch my drift.
Anybody need some C/al/s?
What, is there an Ultimate Fighter marathon on Spike?
I know we've been saying MMA's gay, but is C/ial/is really going to give someone the edge?
87: It would amp up the "anal penetration distraction gambit", at least.
Knecht you weirdo. We ninjas have honor. Or wait, we don't have honor, just the opposite, but we only murder on our master's orders. Which master is, in this case, me. And I don't so order. So buy a print yourself, Mr. Assassinate-y.
86: No worries, I'm already way older than anyone here. Relax Sifu, don't listen to Knecht!
Become a ronin, Sify. the pay is great. I mean, there's a free market for our services, which means the pay should be great, but it isn't. but the deregulation means we can steal from our victims too instead of just killing them.
92: no, no, you see, I already have my own ninja army. Ronin are nothing but a management headache.
91: Now I know what they're checking for.
91: "host of athletes pop Viagra to help onfield performance"
Onfield? Is that what the kids are calling it these days.
I'm pretty sure that your typical homophobia is a lot more about fear than you folks recognize.
Why do you think homophobia is so rampant in MMA? It's because the line between MMA and gay porn is so fine. Those guys are only willing to roll around with each other like that if they're 100% sure the other guy only wants to fuck them figuratively and not literally. I know guys personally who I don't think really dislike gay men, but are still pretty close to terrified at being mistaken for them.
Why do you think homophobia is so rampant in MMA? It's because the line between MMA and gay porn is so fine.
Ya think?
Powell, all you have to do is slip a finger up in there and Sifu will shut right up.
For some reason this whole discussion keeps reminding me of this picture.
As perhaps not everyone remembers my saying before, Santorum seems to be the kind of guy who wipes his butt afterwards for three minutes every time, but still constantly worries that he missed some and everyone can tell.
101: Rick Santorum is aware of all restroom traditions.
Being afraid of being mistaken for something is not the same thing as being afraid of that thing itself.
103: homophobes are scared of gay sex, and those who would somehow compel them to have it, or try to, or that they might turn out to like it. Needless to say it isn't necessarily rational.
Pretty damn close. Even if it's purely practical (worry about losing auditions, etc.) it usually effectively spills over into avoidance and dislike. But it's usually not purely practical.
"Homophobia" etymologically means "fear of", but it includes dislike of, aversion to, etc. (A badly coined word, it seems to mean "fear of things like oneself", the opposite of xenophobia.)
I'm not terribly afraid of being mistaken for anything, but I'm flattered at being mistaken for a Jew, which happens, relatively neutral about being mistaken for gay unless physical danger is involved, and quite unwilling to be mistaken for a toothless street person.
I am not afraid of toothless street people, and I dislike them less than most do, but I am not completely toothless-street-person-positive, especially since that one motherfucker burglarized my house.
Being afraid of being mistaken for something is not the same thing as being afraid of that thing itself.
This kinda reminds me of the argument that Arabs can't be anti-Semitic because they too are a Semitic people.
MMA thread! Sweet.
One of our trainers was having us do shrimping exercises at work on Tuesday.
gswift! How's the pig biz? Workin' on the running part of the fitness challenge.
I highly recommend getting to work out on the clock. They had us doing a three mile run in City Creek Canyon this morning. Started the DT (defensive tactics) and handcuffing this week.
I predict that this will be a favorite when mixed martial arts rules are amended to permit weapons.
An umbrella that can do a watermelon could easily do a human head, such as Vince Foster's.
One of our trainers was having us do shrimping exercises at work on Tuesday.
Probably needed the mats cleaned.
I predict that this will be a favorite when mixed martial arts rules are amended to permit weapons.
You could probably convince some of the Dog Brothers to give it a shot.
