Notice what Reynolds says in his linking blurb:
WELL, THIS MAKES MORE SENSE than that "hated Christians" report, though I suppose the two aren't mutually inconsistent or anything: Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed.
Makes more sense how?
"Who would have thought, here in Knoxville?"
Heh.
Makes more sense how?
Because Unitarians aren't Christians?
Makes more sense how?
In the batshit-insane-murder is a conservative value sense?
Yeah, I couldn't really parse that one either.
I guess Reynolds was thinking that someone who hated Christians would want to open fire on the most paradigmatic Christians he could find, and those aren't UU types.
Probably relevant: his ex-wife used to attend the church he targeted, he described himself as a "Confederate" and a "believer in the Old South," who's been described as hating "blacks, gays and anyone different from him.''
Oops, left out: links via PZ Myers!
WELL, THIS MAKES MORE SENSE
Hating liberals makes sense to Reynolds.
The guy only picked on liberals because he could be certain they wouldn't be carrying firearms.
8: it's just a church full of people! It's not like god actually lives there.
I thought the update would say the shooter was Instapundit.
IT'S A FRACKING BRICK STRUCTURE.
So too soon to joke about this, yet we do so anyway.
10: Atheists can value human life too, Sifu.
The Unitarian liberals actually showed a lot of old fashioned macho Instapundit-type courage. One shielded everyone else with his body, and two or more pulled him down.
I doubt that Instapundit will feature that. No payoff for him.
Sometimes I wish I was a crazy wingnut, because then I could right a ludicrous, self-congratulatory post about how "I suppose Dr. Myers will say that it would be just as bad if this lunatic had shot up a restaurant or library."
Any crazy wingnuts reading this should feel free to crib that.
12: No, it's not a fracking brick structure, you moron, it's the people inside that got killed.
17: You did seem to be confused about that, otherwise the joke wouldn't have been a joke.
16: stras, I find your anger at Labs's lack of concern for human life touching, but maybe a bit misplaced since he was kidding. You know how ethics types are.
Only two people, and they were Unitarians.
20: I was just getting into my role. You know how they are with misspelling.
And we should put the cover of the New Yorker in thought balloons, otherwise the joke wouldn't be a joke.
19: The heart of the "kidding" lies in the presumption that the chief offense of the multiple murder was that the multiple murder occurred in a church, just as the chief offense of the wafer-desecration was that it happened to an item considered sacred. The joke makes no sense as a joke if you assume that the murders would have been just as vile in a mundane, non-religious setting; it assumes, essentially, that the notable thing about these killings is that they desecrated a religious structure.
Also, using a multiple-murder to make a joke about how much Labs thinks PZ Myers is a dick? Incredibly dickish.
Only two people, and they were Unitarians.
So, 1.2 people.
It's said that if you have to explain why a joke is funny, then it's not really funny. Is it, therefore, also true that if you have to explain why a joke is not funny, then it's really funny?
29: we are kinda being dicks, though.
You are what you kinda eat, Tweety.
We're being dicks about making any jokes about a multiple homicide, it's true, but I want to be hated for the jokes that I make, not for the jokes I was misread as making.
This is fascinating: how to explain the joke without explaining the joke? Okay, the Cretan says to you "no Cretans are funny", right? And then hands you a cracker.
33: that is not funny. When he was 33, Christ was hanging on a cross for you, Sifu.
At least I'm not tofu. Or California cuisine.
32: We're being dicks about making any jokes about a multiple homicide
Well, right. Riding the "Too Soon" dick-train. As it were.
You are what you kinda eat
One day, I hope to be a yeti piglet.
As I already explained, Jesus (like MLK and Gandhi) was, first and foremost, a dick.
34: when Jesus was my age, he was dead!
35 S/B "At least I'm not kinda tofu, or kinda California cuisine".
Jesus is such a dick sometimes.
Also.
Stras probably needs to calm the fuck down.
37: I think it looks like a Yeti insofar as it looks like the Abominable Snowman that Rudolph and Yukon Cornelius run into.
I shall indeed shove it, as soon as I finish making love to your mother.
Okay, I'm done. What am I supposed to shove, now?
I don't think that joke is humorous because it makes the presumption that it would be funny for Kotsko to have sex with stras' mother and therefore suggest she is unchaste, while it really is degrading to all women to suggest such a thing about someone who, in all likelihood, Kotsko doesn't really know, just because she is a woman.
I guess now isn't a good time to say that if Stras's mother the shooter's ex-wife attended the church, the rest of the "reasons" he did it are just bullshit?
rap battle rule 1: dont talk about austin's mom
You know, I was wondering about that when I read one of the articles Stras linked. I mean, dress up hatred for the ex all you like, at the end of the day it's the ex, not the ideology, that's motivating. Or it could be that the church combined his two great hatreds.
50 does not take into account the specific libidinal economy in place between the average Western male subject and his mother. That is to say, the purpose of the remark is ultimately not to claim that his mother is unchaste, but simply to confront the son with his mother's sexuality -- which in this case was, I'll admit, a little over-eager in its manifestations, but still satisfying.
51: I'm wondering, if he was as hate filled towards just about everybody as he seems to have been, how the fuck did he end up married to a Unitarian?
Probably a self-hating Unitarian.
Perhaps his wife left him when he started to develop the mental illness problem that manifested itself as hatred towards everyone.
I'm not sure it's worthwhile looking for a rational reason. Once you've decided that shooting up a church/school/university is the solution to your problems, you're pretty far gone.
Cala's so small-minded and judgmental.
How would being a self-hating Unitarian manifest itself? Would it be:
-Someone who opposed Unitarian settlements on the West Bank. Or:
-Someone who, secretly and deep down, believes in God.
I also wonder if the shooter had deep seated Unitarian feelings, and was reacting out of Unitarian panic.
Well, obviously "my ex-wife is a bitch" isn't really a rational reason.
55: Actually, I always assumed the purpose of such "jokes" was to display dominance over the opponent by implying sexual conquest over his mother -- to objectify the mother as a means of humiliating the son.
I suppose I don't need to point out how gross and infantile I find that kind of humor.
58 strikes me as entirely plausible.
62: You haven't met mine! [rimshot]
Adam, did you turn a Freudian explanation of jokes about having sex with people's mothers into a joke about having sex with people's mothers?
63.1: I was actually just saying to Adam that I wish I were a man, because it would be really sweet to be able to shut down an argument by saying "I fucked your mother." Which you can't do if you're a chick, because that would be all lezzie, and therefore hot. And "I fucked your dad," well, that doesn't work either.
Alternatively, he developed a hatred of everyone and then his wife left him.
He doesn't seem to have hated everyone, though, just people "different than him" and presumably his ex.
A: "I fucked your mother".
B: "Go home, Dad. You're drunk".
You fuck my wife? you fuck my wife?
I AM your wife.
It doesn' matter, you fuck my wife?
Yes. I AM your wife, and I fuck your wife. All right?
Actually, I always assumed the purpose of such "jokes" was to display dominance over the opponent by implying sexual conquest over his mother -- to objectify the mother as a means of humiliating the son.
They are actually jokes, even if you don't find them funny personally. Scare-quotes are inappropriate in this case.
I suppose I don't need to point out how gross and infantile I find that kind of humor.
Thanks, mom!
68: You think? I was wondering about "your mom's a little overeager in the sucking bloody pussy department; might wanna check to see if she's anemic" or something like that.
(And yes, of course such jokes are sexist. They're effective, though.)
65: I think "Your mom's a lez" would totally work as an argument stopper.
I was actually just saying to Adam that I wish I were a man, because it would be really sweet to be able to shut down an argument by saying "I fucked your mother."
Men do not in fact shut down arguments this way.
B, "Suck my bloody pussy" is much more effective than anything a guy could possibly say.
I think it would read better as "At least my mom's not a dyke."
I was actually just saying to Adam that I wish I were a man, because it would be really sweet to be able to shut down an argument by saying "I fucked your mother." Which you can't do if you're a chick, because that would be all lezzie, and therefore hot.
simply add the phrase "with a strap-on", thus neutralising any potential hotness. You could even try "I fucked your father with etc etc".
The rumours that I am pitching for Ian Martin's job as swearing consultant to the TV series "The Thick of It are unfounded, although I perhaps would have chucked a CV in had the series not been discontinued due to the lead actor's conviction on child pornography charges (sadly true).
74: You're saying the guys on this forum aren't men? And I thought I was supposed to be the misandrist.
"with a strap-on", thus neutralising any potential hotness
Really? Prude.
simply add the phrase "with a strap-on", thus neutralising any potential hotness.
I fail to see how this would neutralize any hotness.
And is "neutralise" another one of those words that the British spell incorrectly?
74: that's actually not true. I use that trick whenever I give talks.
No, a moment of introspection reveals that I'm right about this; like an excess architectural detail on a cathedral spire, or a single white truffle too many in a risotto, the presence of a large artificial cock simply unbalances the intrinsic beauty of an imagined lesbian tableau. I think that Robert Hughes wrote something to the effect in his book on the Venetian masters.
Seems more appropriate her now:
I know that this is sexist, but the time to make a Monica Goodling women-in-prison movie is now. Not after she goes to prison, if she ever does.
Scarlett Johansson will be the lead, of course. A few gruff old lesbians with tattoos, one with a heart of gold. Some heavy-metal / punk lesbians, also with tattoos. Some black hiphop lesbians. And Natalie Portman to be her real love interest.
"Her Bible fell from her trembling hands...."
a moment of introspection reveals that I'm right about this a homophobic prude
I agree, it is both homophobic and prudish to have a response to plastic objects that is more humorous than erotic. Wait, actually 83 is extremely stupid.
83: Wait, thinking that two lesbians can and should be able to get by just fine without even a simulcrum of a penis is somehow homophobic?
That said, pegging the dad is definitely the shut-them-up equivalent of screwing the mom. Probably overkill, actually, but still good.
Once in high school, my friends and I discussed the possibility of substituting "Your dad!" for the exclamation "Your mom!" The consensus was that it was far too creepy to actually implement.
Oh look! The boys are defensive about finding strap-ons threatening unsexy!
86: Aha. So the coup de resistance would be "tell me more about that once you're done sucking your dad's cock" or the like.
Good to know.
Pegging is hot. Also, the house strap-on will come in handy when fulfilling your FFM threesome fantasy.
Let me be naive here -- does anyone actually say things like "I fucked your mother" out of actual hostility rather than joking about other people who say that kind of thing? I mean, who would take that seriously -- are people getting in arguments with a lost tribe of people whose last contact with civilization was in 1955, and who can still be taunted with their mother's unchastity?
So which came first, "fuck your mom" or "I fucked your mom"?
90: I don't know of anyone who takes "mom" remarks seriously, but substitute an age-appropriate female relative who is known to the person doing the taunting, and it can easily be taken seriously.
The mom joke may well have entered the language directly as a cliche, without anyone ever taking it seriously.
90: Let's not start estimating the American capacity for irony based on Unfogged mores. As a genuine insult it might be class-marked, but I'm sure it's around.
90: I'm not sure about the distinction you're drawing about joke/actual hostility and the connection to a mother's chasteness. People can say it to be offensive--and to be taken seriously at that level--without intending it to be understood as true claim.
93: I think in more close-knit communities where the taunter is older (and more powerful) than the tauntee and is actually familiar with the tauntee's mom, it would be effective. But sadly, today, in today's atomized society devoid of respect for one's elder townspeople, there are very few situations where it would work today.
a moment of introspection reveals that I'm right about this a homophobic prude I speak for Everyman, particularly the working class, not like you liberals.
I shut down arguments with my brother that way.
Oh look! The boys are defensive about finding strap-ons threatening unsexy!
Is there any chance that if a boy said the exact opposite ("lesbian sex just seems less sexy without a strap-on"), you wouldn't say "Oh look! The boys cannot comprehend good sex without one of their precious phalli being involved!"
Oh, my God. Nay, I hope that there is a pantheon of gods that they all might take turns smiting yinz guys.
Let me be naive here -- does anyone actually say things like "I fucked your mother" out of actual hostility rather than joking about other people who say that kind of thing?
Uh, I'm pretty sure the phrase arose in this very thread in a hostile exchange, unless I am just totally mistaken and Stras and Kotsko are holding hands and singing kumbaya. That nobody believes for a second that Kotsko has a chance with anyone's mother doesn't mean the joke wasn't itself hostile. And, as Bitch noted, apparently effective in its intended use to shut down an argument.
who wouldn't find an artificial penis that's larger than your own and permanently hard to be a bit threatening? One might as well say that Pennsylvania millworkers shouldn't feel threatened by Chinese competitors who are prepared to work for 50c an hour. As you'd realise if you weren't so bourgeois.
The exchange started with Stras saying "Shove it".
That nobody believes for a second that Kotsko has a chance with anyone's mother
wrong on so many levels.
104: And? Does that somehow undermine the claim that the "joke" wasn't said in hostility?
I noticed this advertising poster at a bus shelter. I thought it would be nice if someone would paste the word "mom" over "dad", but I'm too lazy to do it myself.
104: And, technically, the exchange started with Kotsko saying Stras needed to calm the fuck down.
There are some very serious dudes in leather pants at a Raleigh club called "Flex" who probably take great offense to the idea of fist-fucking as the subject of humor, you know. Tsk!
87: To be fair, it's actually lesbianism that I find unsexy. Or rather, as that term is too loaded, something closer to a-sexy. Women who are totally into other women, no interest in men? I'll take their word for it. No matter how cool we think the other is, they'll never feel sexually attracted to me. Not sexy. Can't really say it's threatening, since it seems kind of inborn and not exactly contagious like wildfire.
things like "I fucked your mother"
Not that, but saying that someone's mom sleeps around for money in a neighborhood with a lot of single-mom households will get you beaten today, tomorrow, and onwards, especially if it might be true. People just used different ways to insult each other and their families in ways that didn't start lasting conflict. Or it did in the eighties. It's a different insult, though.
"Your momma, your poppa, your green-eyed granny with the holes in her panty" is one I remember.
but I'm too lazy to do it myself.
Me too, but others aren't.
they'll never feel sexually attracted to me
Certainly not with that defeatist attitude.
nobody believes for a second that Kotsko has a chance with anyone's mother
I dunno. The bastard's already had two dates with my mom. If he brings a bottle of a nice sauvignon blanc to the third, it's a done deal.
Now, why he keeps going after the AARP crowd, I could only speculate. But to be honest, I'd rather not spend the time contemplating the source of his geriphilia.
102, 106:I got that Kotsko was both hostile and intended to be transparently untruthful; I just had the impression that the "your mom" line is intended to imply that the listener would actually care that his mother was being insulted (regardless of the truth value of the assertion), and would react more strongly than to a "fuck you." And I'm having a hard time picturing that anyone commenting here actually has an interaction like that often, or really at all.
But I don't actually know -- I don't get in arguments like that often.
114: True, there are ways. But they're expensive, and I'd probably be left with even smaller niche appeal than I've got at the moment. Since I lack your natural vermillion sexiness, apo, I gotta play the odds.
116: I think it has to do with violating the sacrosanct. So, for people who don't have kids, you go after the parents. People with kids, the kids. My general sense is that such is a pretty good way to get under someone's skin.
118: My general sense is that such is a pretty good way to get under someone's skin.
I get the idea generally, but appealing to one's mother's chastity as something sacrosanct and not to be offended against seems weirdly retro -- I'm not wondering about how the insult worked ever, I'm wondering if it actually still works straightforwardly now. It seems weird to me that it would.
116
There is a bit of a social convention that family members are off limits. So insulting someone's spouse or parent is worse than insulting them directly.
I'm wondering if it actually still works straightforwardly now.
I think the answer is "Yes," because I think family is still considered a protected class. I don't think it needs to be focused on her chastity, particularly. I don't think it particularly needs to be the mom. Both are just easy to reach for.
I don't know whether it was ever effective qua insult, but from what I remember as a kid, it was more the equivalent of dropping your gloves in hockey, signaling that somebody was willing to fight over the actual disagreement.
I just had the impression that the "your mom" line is intended to imply that the listener would actually care that his mother was being insulted (regardless of the truth value of the assertion), and would react more strongly than to a "fuck you."
My impression, too. Ergo, I found it offensive and felt compelled to say so.
And I'm having a hard time picturing that anyone commenting here actually has an interaction like that often, or really at all.
One would hope not.
Following on #122: It's a bit like the communion thing. You can (some would say) reasonably assume an intent to offend.
The one bar fight I've been in was on account of a "I just fucked your mom" line I dropped on a guy (he started it by asking if I was at the bar for my coming out party, he was drunker than I thought, it went down hill from there).
who wouldn't find an artificial actual penis that's larger than your own and permanently hard to be a bit threatening?
I think that there is a serious misreading of the exchange going on. If Stras had in fact "calmed the fuck down," then presumably he would've continued the discussion. His saying, "Shove it" effectively ended that line of discussion -- and indeed his participation in the thread.
By contrast, my remarks about fucking his mother have actually started a prolific discussion.
I just realized that LB may be asking whether it still works because people feel they have to protect their mothers' virtue. (Everyone else probably had that already.) But I'm not sure it ever functioned that way in the real world.
a moment of introspection reveals that I'm right about this a homophobic prude I speak for Everyman sexist.
109: Well, Stras *did* need to calm the fuck down. It's not like Kotsko was wrong. And the "making love to your mother" thing was totally funny.
And the "making love to your mother" thing was totally funny.
No, it really wasn't.
131 is right. The funny part was 49, which is hilarious.
Responding to Stras's hostile remark with an ironic citation of a common hostile retort was probably the best I could do under difficult circumstances. (The irony was really hammered home by the follow-up comment saying I was finished and inquiring as to what I was supposed to "shove.")
This is just conjecture, but I wonder if the "I fucked your mother" insults aren't derivative of the genre of "your mother is a prostititute", which is (1) a common and highly offensive insult in almost every culture; and (2) much more offensive than the mere suggestion that one's mother once had an extramarital dalliance.
133: Really, the circumstances were that difficult for you? You poor dear. I see now that there was just no other option than a "common hostile (and misogynistic) retort."
irony was really hammered home by the follow-up comment saying I was finished
I'll note without comment that the second comment followed the first by less than four minutes.
Jesu this is meta. I start at the bottom, so what, I have to go thru 100 comments about whether "fuck your mother" is funny or hostile?
Fuck no.
134: I'm not sure. "Fuck you" is an insulting phrase, but I doubt it comes about because wishing that someone would get laid had negative, realist connotations in the past.
I think it has to do with violating the sacrosanct. So, for people who don't have kids, you go after the parents. People with kids, the kids. My general sense is that such is a pretty good way to get under someone's skin.
Kids emphatically do not equal parents in this kind of exchange.
129
"I just realized that LB may be asking whether it still works because people feel they have to protect their mothers' virtue. (Everyone else probably had that already.) But I'm not sure it ever functioned that way in the real world."
I think it did. In an honor culture people feel they have to protect their honor which may mean they are obligated to respond to such challenges.
100 comments about whether "fuck your mother" is funny or hostile?
And without ogged around to tell us, how will we know whom the lurkers support by e-mail?
My original comment implied that I was already in the process of making love to his mother as I typed. Note also the use of "making love" -- implying a more caring, long-term relationship. One does not generally "make love" to a prostitute or a one-night stand, for instance.
Kids emphatically do not equal parents in this kind of exchange.
I don't know what that means. Both work, one's not available until later in life.
145: I think it means something like, "If you think I got offended about the mother bit, you don't fucking want to see what happens if you start dragging people's children into this sort of crap."
I don't know what that means.
It's quite simple: tell Di that you fucked her mother, and she'll merely hate you. Tell her that you fucked her daughter, and she'll kill you.
much more offensive than the mere suggestion that one's mother once had an extramarital dalliance.
I don't know about the fine gradations -- when you're a little kid, the suggestion that your mother had sex with anyone, even your father, is sort of offensive and alarming.
147 pwned and rendered utterly superfluous by 146.
147: That is putting it mildly. But, as illustration or otherwise, let's leave my daughter out of the discussion, 'kay?
145: The intent is to start a fight, as I understand it. If I say it, I pretty much do want to see what you'll do when I drag your kid into it. That's why I'd do it.
It's going to be really sad if future archaeologists define this as the thread in which Kotsko threatened everybody's kids.
Note also the use of "making love" -- implying a more caring, long-term relationship. One does not generally "make love" to a prostitute or a one-night stand, for instance.
Here we see Kotsko in the rare "Your mother is definitely not a whore, but I have been fucking her nonetheless" gambit. This is really a bankshot insult of cuckoldry towards stras's dad more than anything else.
151: The question is not about starting the fight. The question is now about ending the fight.
This is really a bankshot insult of cuckoldry towards stras's dad more than anything else.
If we stipulate that stras' mother and father were legitimately united in matrimony.
Ma Mere is hostile, but Tadpole & Spanking the Monkey are funny, except for putting Jeremy Davies in my face which should be illegal. Souffle au Couer is just plain romantic.
Taboo is a stone cold classic, since the loving couple call each other by their relationship during the act. Taboo II not as good, but still a classic, due to the great performances of Kevin James and Dorothy LeMay.
You know what folks? Stras's mother is a real, existing (or once-existing, I don't know the family) human being. You are discussing an actual person who, I dare say, would likely not find this discussion delightfully amusing.
I can't believe we're now trying to divest unfogged of cock jokes and vulgarity.
157: Well presumably not, given that her son had to get his humorlessness from *somewhere*, and his paternity is a complete mystery.
158: Bitch, I would have thought you of all people would be able to distinguish between "cock jokes and vulgarity" and "misogynistic jokes which draw their humor from the implied degradation of women."
160: Good point, Apo. I'm going to let go of the balloon now and walk away.
Come up with a single cock joke that isn't on some level sexist, and I'll eat Apo's, uh, cock.
Anyway, I mean, really. "I'll get to you when I'm done fucking your mother" is such a ludicrous insult that it's just silly to get all bent over it.
Apo, pwned by his own self-linkage. That'll show you, stud.
Particularly among people who couldn't pick one another out of a lineup.
157: The battle to exclude "my daughter" jokes, you can win, Di. As for "your mom" jokes in general...when you finish that one, invade Russia in January.
Oh, so now having sex with me is automatically degrading to women? Really classy, DK.
168: Well, you have to admit she has a point.
All heterosexual sex is rape, Adam. Don't you know anything?
Come up with a single cock joke that isn't on some level sexist, and I'll eat Apo's, uh, cock.
TEACHER: Class, I'm going to name a word, and I'll call on one of you to use it in a sentence. Billy, your word is "roach".
BILLY: "The cockroach scurried up the wall."
TEACHER: That's good, but leave the "cock" part out.
BILLY: Okay. "The cockroach scurried up the wall with his cock hanging out."
[Apo, I hope you and the Missus didn't have plans tonight.]
Today, all sex is degrading to women. It is only after the revolution that truly egalitarian sex will be possible.
Billy is sexually harassing the teacher. Next?
The question is not about starting the fight. The question is now about ending the fight.
To be clear, I'm talking about all of this in the abstract. I don't trash someone's parents or his kids to his face because I understand it's a good way to start a fight. And I don't like fights. Also, I took the conversation, from LB on, to be pretty expressly about occasions when one wasn't joking.
But Apo's description--"dropping your gloves in hockey, signaling that somebody was willing to fight over the actual disagreement"--seems accurate: it's meant to push the confrontation to the point where the next obvious, if not necessary, step is to actually fight. Insofar as there is a difference between parents and kids--and I'm willing to believe that there is a difference, as every once-a-kid-now-a-parent says there is--kids are obviously better targets. But that doesn't mean I'm endorsing that behavior.
I'll eat Apo's, uh, cock.
I think for this expression to work you have to promise to eat something that you won't enjoy.
Huh. So I guess I should have beaten up the friend who asked me what I would do if I came back into the room and found her with PK's penis in her mouth, instead of laughing.
Is PK an NFL quarterback? Because I heard that then his penis belongs to the world, and therefore no longer your concern.
No, he's taking TKD and fencing, in an obvious attempt on my part to make sure he never, ever gets laid.
I've said this before, but when Dukakis failed to respond angrily when he was asked what he'd do if someone were raping his wife, he lost a lot of votes. For all I know he was set up. The question wasn't about criminology or any other policy issue, it was a chance for Dukakis to show he was a real man. He was supposed to treat an abstract verbal statement as a real provocation.
I have a friend who very much loves the "your mom" joke. I've recently been working on the reverse "your mom," in which I relay my mother's complaints about his sexual performance, e.g. "Hmm. That's not what my mom said."
Dukakis totally whiffed a softball, JE. Red meat tossed in front of him, and he asked for more arugula, instead. One does not have to be in favor of capital punishment to have an emotional reaction to the thought of one's wife being raped. As I remember, he really came of badly by trying to take the emotion out of the equation.
It's a characteristic Democratic technocrat Ivy league fluff.
Obama had better practice his snarl in the mirror, for the question, or one similar, is sure to used again.
Obama should brutally beat the questioner, while repeating, "I'll kill you, motherfucker!" Then he would either win the election by an unprecedented landslide or lose by an unprecedented landslide.
Obama should brutally beat the questioner, while repeating, "I'll kill you, motherfucker!"
I think this image will send me to sleep with a smile on my face tonight. Only, with Russert dead, who will be the deserving recipient of Hussein X's wrath? Dowd? Nagourney? Ron Fournier? Brit Hume?
Dudes, it's a trap. They'll try to get Obama think "I won't make the Ivy League Dukakis mistake" in order to make him appear to be an angry black man. The only way out is for Obama to respond with kung-fu.
Better: as Brit Hume is asking the question, Michelle Obama will appear behind him, dispatch him with a garrote, then fist-bump her husband as he gives a technocratic answer.
Dudes, it's a trap. They'll try to get Obama think "I won't make the Ivy League Dukakis mistake" in order to make him appear to be an angry black man. The only way out is for Obama to respond with kung-fu.
He should chuckle menacingly, then, after theatrically regaining his composure, he should somberly intone, "The best response to that question was composed by one of my favorite country musicians, who once sang 'I'd like to spit some Beechnut in that dude's eye, then shoot him with my ole' .45'".
At a stroke, the electoral votes of Tennessee, Arkansas, and West Virginia would be in play!
187: Watch, they'll bring back Bernard Shaw to ask it.
Offline all day, so I just got a glance at the original post and then had to do a bunch of other BS before I read the comments. So I had some time to back-of-my-mind imagine where 100+ Unfogged comments might have gone on a church shooting post. Clearly I have a limited imagination.
Clearly I have a limited imagination never read an Unfogged thread before.
I think this image will send me to sleep with a smile on my face tonight. Only, with Russert dead, who will be the deserving recipient of Hussein X's wrath? Dowd? Nagourney? Ron Fournier? Brit Hume?
If it was Gwen Ifill it might help with swing voters. Afraid that he's a pawn of the angry and vindictive Michelle? He puts up with no crap from uppity black women trying to argue him into a corner.
Dudes, it's a trap. They'll try to get Obama think "I won't make the Ivy League Dukakis mistake" in order to make him appear to be an angry black man. The only way out is for Obama to respond with kung-fu.
Obama has to look the guy in the eyes and say, "Revenge is a dish best served cold. I would wait until I was elected President and then crush him with the full force of the US constitution."
Doesn't mean anything, but it would sound hard, and encourage people to vote for him.
194: Absolutely. Just narrow the eyes, lean back slightly, and say, Don Corleone-style, "Then that man would become my enemy."
"I'd like to dispute the premise of the question. Everybody knows that the criminal justice system only applies the death penalty if the victim is white."
How about: "Why don't you make a try at it, and we'll find out what happens?"
If Obama really said 197, I'd vote for him twice.
I'd vote for him twice.
Confirming that Walt has, in fact, been influenced by his stay in Chicago.
