Meanwhile, Angelina Jolie is speaking at a Council on Foreign Relations event.
Is it true that Duchovny is ABD in Comp Lit at Yale?
Billy Bob Thornton knows a thing or two about being an attractive man and it ain't all about looks.
#2. Yes. According to wikipedia, which doesn't specify Comp Lit, the title of his uncompleted doctoral thesis was "Magic and Technology in Contemporary Poetry and Prose."
Billy Bob Thorton is an attractive man. I'd agree that a Metallica t-shirt is the anti-sex, but as long as he wouldn't insist on wearing it in bed, it would be fine. Many of men's protestations of the eternal mystery of some man-woman pairing just fail to understand that the man in question is good-looking.
I reckon he knows how to please a woman, uh-hu.
The thing that gets me about BBT is not the looks per se-- it's that he gives off this vibe of a guy who's decided he's not really that good-looking, so he'll consciously play up the mysterious outsider rocker dude thing as a kind of compensation. It's the weird "let me strategize you into bed" lameness that makes me find him so creepy.
It's the weird "let me strategize you into bed" lameness that makes me find him so creepy.
But you won't get fooled again.
Fool me once, santorum on you. Fool me twice, santorum on you.
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So I'm in this fellowship group of Great Brainz of teh World, and one of them just registered for a high-traffic discussion/chat list using the broadcast-email address used to send announcements to all of the fellows. Genius.
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8: This seems to me to be overthinking. As RHT says, BBT is perfectly reasonably attractive: there are prettier men out there, but he looks just fine. He might come off as weird, but thinking of him as weirdly strategizing to compensate for being unappealing doesn't make sense.
13: Never underestimate the delusional power of projection.
Come on, men who are mega-successful artistic celebrities are always going to be very attractive, so long as they're not physically truly ugly. Why is this hard to understand?
The projection going on here is not about BBT, but about TL.
8: LB - exactly. And even if he was strategizing, which personally I don't think he is, he is a good enough actor to pull it off.
I think he's a guy who has made peace with himself and is comfortable with himself and is honest and genuine and comfortable with himself and that goes a long way towards being attractive.
Maybe he is not everybody's cup of tea but he doesn't try to be and doesn't have any ill will towards those who are not attracted and that is attractive right there.
It is almost a Zen thing but I think there is a lot of truth to it.
So I'm in this fellowship group of Great Brainz of teh World
MY CONDOLENCES.
I don't have any great love for either of them, but I don't quite get what's the basis of the cognitive dissonance either.
BBT said in an interview a while back that he wanted to be in the movies, but knew he couldn't be a leading man given his looks. A friend told him the only way he would be cast in the lead was if he produced it himself. Thus "Swingblade".
Teal Leoni is second only to Dana Delany it the TLL secret movie star lust department. AWB is wrong.
Both of them being veterans of the B-movie asteroid-threatens-Earth genre, I'd say this match was written in the stars.
Teal Leoni is second only to Dana Delany it the TLL secret movie star lust department. AWB is wrong.
That's exactly the projection I'm talking about.
Isn't the BBT schtick crazed intensity? Probably Tea is just doing the rebound thing. Maybe even an in-your-face revenge fuck.
Story I've heard from two widely-separated small towns: after the divorce, the ex-wife systematically screws every one of the husband's friends and then leaves town.
These are the kinds of towns where the main entertainment is a few cases of beer and a pickup truck, with maybe a couple 22s.
Story I've heard from two widely-separated small towns
Are they divorced? Which town did the cheating?
MY CONDOLENCES.
It's OK, they're paying me.
The projection going on here is not about BBT, but about TL.
I disagree; I've heard guys complaining about BBT since he was with Angelina Jolie. He doesn't fit what a leading man should look like, and so the Nice Guys can't get why a gorgeous woman would find him to be attractive.
Weird nice guys like BBT OK. What we really hate is the tall, smooth, good-looking, conceited jerky guys.
So has the phrase "Nice Guys" completely lost any association with guys who even pretend to be nice or think they are nice, and now just means "Assholes"? It's a term I've never seen outside Unfogged, so it's unclear to me.
Right. And he really is actively attractive -- I can imagine him not being someone's type, but if you like that type, he's not bad looking at all. Personally, while I'd be unlikely to suffer a neck injury snapping my head around to stare at him, I'd think I was doing just fine for myself dating someone who looked like that, assuming I was fond of them for other reasons.
TL's real surname is Pantaleoni? That is absurdly fun to say.
25: Téa started showing up at BBT's band's gigs over the summer, not just in NYC, but in Austin as well. No one thought much of it, since it was assumed TL and DD were very happily married. Then DD went to rehab for sex addiction and now they are separated.
(Yes, I read Us/People/Star on the treadmill.)
the Nice Guys can't get why a gorgeous woman would find him to be attractive.
So true -- did you ever wonder why guys like me can't get girls to pay them any attention? My theory is that, secretly, women like guys who are assholes.
Cala,
I agree. I know what you mean by "Nice Guys."
Put bluntly if one dislikes him/herself that detracts greatly from attractiveness.
'Liking oneself' is not sufficient for attractiveness, but to a great degree it is a necessary but not sufficient requirement.
I mean in real life. Phony images are easier to maintain outside of real life, like in the media, or on the internet and in film.
29: I'm not crazy about the term myself, because using it too much seems to me to inflate the importance of that category of jerk -- they exist, but they seem to get more bloggy attention than they're worth. But the "Nice Guy" aspect here is the purported concern for Tea Leoni, or at least questioning of her taste -- if she really knew what was good for her, she'd want someone better than BBT. Someone like me!!one11!
35: Yes, but it seems like Cala is using it to mean guys who think they are good looking and that good looking women should not be with weird looking men.
Mila Kunis is dating Macaulay Culkin. That pairing surprised me.
Mila Kunis is dating Macaulay Culkin. That pairing surprised me.
Huh. For some reason I think of Culkin as asexual. Maybe it's the translucent skin.
So am I the only guy on here thinks BBT is both cool and handsome? I don't get the WTF reaction.
Translucent skin does seem very larvae-l.
29: Let's not go through all of this again, but by 'Nice Guy' here, I didn't mean even concern for Leoni, but the peculiar insistence of young men of a certain age, inexperience, and temperament that women are something like gold stars given out to those who meet certain requirements. BBT does not, in their mind, meet those requirements, so therefore, he does not deserve the hot women. If he had looked like Pitt-beefcake, that would have made sense that he had Jolie. But he didn't!!1!
33: Your better half should practice her uberkicks on you for that. Just cuz.
Does Lyle Lovett beat BBT in the not-conventionally-attractive-guy-who-scores-major-hotties contest? I think maybe.
No, I can totally get Lyle Lovett's appeal.
21: It's "Sling Blade" - Them as hasn't seen it most certainly should. Good movie.
GY,
So am I the only guy on here thinks BBT is both cool and handsome? I don't get the WTF reaction.
As a straight guy I know my attract-o-meter for other guys is not very accurate. I defer to LB and Cala and other mature women on that topic. I have a general sense of what is going on but I'm no expert in the field, and when I heard that BBT was getting together with mostly-together mature women I figured by definition he is to some degree attractive.
Lyle Lovett is genuinely bizarre looking -- not in the "there are prettier men but he looks good on his own terms" category, but "if you really loved him, I suppose you could probably get past it." I mean, I'm sure there's someone out there for whom he's straightforwardly hot, but I doubt there are many.
No, I can totally get Lyle Lovett's appeal.
But surely this is an instance of the problem, not an explanation for it.
Lyle Lovett is genuinely bizarre looking
Yeah, but he comes across as so cool in his songs and stuff. It's his style that's attractive.
For some reason I think of Culkin as asexual.
Back during the Home Alone days, a gay friend of mine used to insist that Culkin was--or would grow up to be--gay.
It's his style that's attractive
Right. LB's 46 is what I was thinking.
I found out today that one of my colleagues is a Log Cabin Republican and pretty religious too, (Catholic). I can only reconcile this by deciding they must be struggling with self-loathing. Otherwise my brain starts to fry thinking about it.
I find BBT kinda hot, basically to the wouldn't-kick-him-outa-bed level. His weirdness seems a bit put-on.
Lyle Lovett is cool but weird looking. Do not want.
Culkin has a bit of a gay vibe, but I think queerly asexual is really it. Translucent. Mila Kunis would be a fun person to date, though, so good for him.
I mean, I'm sure there's someone out there for whom he's straightforwardly hot, but I doubt there are many.
Right, but look, funny-looking* people get laid in real life all the time. Most of us don't wonder why our funny-looking selves or funny-looking friends get laid; we know they're funny, or caring, or charismatic, etc. Lovett isn't all that surprising to me because it's possible he has some of the virtues of my funny-looking friends plus oodles of cash and he sings.
*or "not conventionally attractive." Whatever.
Is the opposite of "conventionally attractive" "nuclear attractive" or "organic attractive"?
I have to admit that I mix BBT up with Dennis Hopper. Maybe BBT bought out Hopper's franchise.
I just don't see BBT as so funny looking as to require special pleading or explanations as to why hot chix would date him. Certainly it's no surprise that movie/rock stars possess a certain charm that makes them sparkle a bit more than civilians, but BBT seems like a handsome guy to me. (Not my type, but still.)
Is the opposite of "conventionally attractive" "nuclear attractive" or "organic attractive"?
All different. Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie- are in the nuclear category, as is most of Hollywood. Many in the music industry are in the "organic" category, though some are nuclear. Those in the nuclear category are of course, to be kept separate and out of the hands of normal people, because of the special handling required.
57: All of which is just to say that I agree with Bear in 17.
Come on. Men, as a group, do not generally think BBT is good looking, and they think Tea Leoni is. If Leoni was having an affair with Brad Pitt, men wouldn't find it surprising. There's no big mystery here.
I have to admit that I mix BBT up with Dennis Hopper. Maybe BBT bought out Hopper's franchise.
I would guess that he's about 25 years younger than Hopper, so your latter sentence is more or less true.
What I thought was that Tea wanted the wild and crazy. I believe that that was supposed to be Angelina's thing with him. Angelina's dad is super wild and crazy, so maybe she needed to purge her system. Nothing really very odd about it, except that Tea seems sort of twerpy, but they're the very ones wild and crazy guys go for.
Girls, please
http://www.coffeestrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/3679033_gal.jpg
Dude had a good surgeon.
Just checked BBT's photos, and he does seem like the kind of biker dude that nice guys resent.
Men, as a group, do not generally think BBT is good looking
But he *is* a good-looking guy.
Is this a hair thing? Men seem to think bald or balding is a much bigger negative, attractiveness-wise, than women do. There are unfortunate ways to go bald -- thin and fuzzy all over is harder to carry off than receding -- but mostly a goodlooking balding guy is a goodlooking guy. But men in positions where they've been certified by other men as attractive (that is, I'm mostly thinking of TV news) tend overwhelmingly to be men with great hair.
I do prefer him at the Swingblade weight tho. Too manorexic now. But his face is aging nicely, as Apo points out. Very Clooney-esque around the eyes.
Yeah, well you female people seem to think that height makes men attractive. Quite illogical.
What was the show with BBT as the political consultant always on his back (lying, get it?).
Less hair, more testosterone. Let's face it, women are fuck animals.
Billy Bob is the only male star I have ever heard speak about his eating disorder. (No really. He was bulimic and talks about it now.)
a Metallica t-shirt is the anti-sex
Anecdatum: Back when I was wearing metallica t-shirts I was getting a lot more than I am now. Maybe I should start again.
TL's real surname is Pantaleoni? That is absurdly fun to say.
ALL THE LIONS
Men, as a group, do not generally think BBT is good looking,
Seems as simple as women find different men attractive than do men who are not attracted to men find attractive.
I once met a guy who was at that time a minor Hollywood actor. He was one of the better looking guys I had ever talked to up close, in person. I had a problem not staring at him too much.
Someone told me he had a role in the upcoming Spielberg movie, "Minority Report", so I kept an eye out for him when I saw the movie. He played an ugly, weird troll-type character, like Igor in a Frankenstein movie. Even the ugly people in Hollywood are really, really hot, hotter than you think they are. (Well, except for Lyle Lovett, who is just, ugh).
Here's a photo of the guy .
Anyone who is looking at BBT, handsome, creative, extremely successful, and thinking "why would someone like *that* get the girl" is truly delusional.
*delurk*
A friend of mine had a prepared speech for when an obvious convention-goer asked him for directions during the Republican Convention - "go straight for one block, take a left and then go fuck yourself".
But when a huge black Navigator (or something like that - we Latte-sippers can't ID SUVs) pulled up, rolled down the window and the oddly scruffy looking driver asked how to get to 35W, he forgot all about his plan and just gave him directions.
After it drove off, his friends who had witnessed the event told him he just missed his chance to tell Billy Bob Thorton to go fuck himself.
PGD, you're leaving out the fact that in this case the girl is also creative, successful, rich, and so on.
Is the band any good?
Minnie Driver is somehow "not conventionally beautiful" but she's better looking than almost anybody and gets point for not being quite a cookie-cutter version.
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Giblets has been published
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Is the band any good?
The fact that so many recent photos of BBT show him sporting a soul patch suggests: not likely.
Rich successful media people tend to spend their time with other rich successful media people, for a multitude of reasons.
People who live off their good looks might have a little detachment from appearances. It's like for them good looks are business, not pleasure.
I stick with my theory, BBT's selling point is the intensity thing and unexpectedness.
Got my first gold bug spam in awhile. My guess is that someone who bought gold before the crash would do well. Before the crash.
Giblets has been published before, but I don't think he was so cute the last time. Look at that hat!
Oh, I guess it wasn't giblets the last time. One of the other Fafentities, then.
It's all connected, people - they just don't want you to know!
Exactly.
I hope JRoth shares my bemusement at all the mentions of BBT's sexiness.
PGD, not only do you know your place in the world, you lovingly caress it.
Got my first gold bug spam in awhile
I just did, too. I blame you Emerson. Quit spamming me.
85: It was the medium lobster.
I can only reconcile this by deciding they must be struggling with self-loathing.
That's because they are struggling with self-loathing. I find it revolting, personally, but they probably are convinced that they are nobly trying to live some tradition blahdy-blah.
PGD, not only do you know your place in the world, you lovingly caress it.
resignation to reality is the only path to happiness. I'm well along the way with the resignation part. Disapproving personal acquaintances have called me "fatalistic" before, and suggested an infusion of the American "never say die" mentality would help. However, I would note that none of them have yet succeeded in becoming a rich, attractive celebrity.
It's weird that populists today ar gold bigs, whereas populists a century ago were greenbackers. The word "populist" is very thin in meaning outside specific contexts.
I've mentioned this before, but super nice small town churchy guys seem gay and sometimes are, because they're super polite to nice old ladies and don't mess around with girls.
Most of us don't wonder why our funny-looking selves or funny-looking friends get laid; we know they're funny, or caring, or charismatic, etc.
Yes, but if they're dating someone really really hot, we're still likely to give them shit about not being able to believe it.
Billy Bob Thornton really doesn't seem as attractive as the women he dates, but he seems nice and funny enough in the couple interviews I've seen. Eh, it's not like I was Tea's backup choice for rebound guy anyway.
I'm saving my inappropriate disapproval for M.I.A.'s engagement to the lead singer of a shitty NYC band and son of a major-label record exec.
92: NPR has been running a series by Jamie Tarabay about arranged marriages. As near as I can tell the only really good thing about arranged marriages is that they lower people's expectations of married life dramatically. If people could freely choose their partner, and still have little hope for Hollywood love eternal, we would all be happy.
I've mentioned this before, but super nice small town churchy guys seem gay and sometimes are, because they're super polite to nice old ladies and don't mess around with girls.
Male BYU students, too.
I hung out with Edward Norton once, and he's pretty hot in person but no more than a lot of people you meet in New York. Hotter on screen, especially when he takes his shirt off.
re: 39
Nah, me too. It seems totally explicable why he'd be successful with women.
97: I don't know why, but Edward Norton consistently seems like the Hollywood actor who'd be the least annoying to talk to. I thought John C. Reilly for a while, but with all this Will Ferrell sidekickery I am starting to wonder.
Edward Norton: definitely in my top 10.
96 - I know people who have done the arranged marriage thing and the results are mixed. At best it's really quite good because the partners have very clearly defined roles and expectations, which eliminates at least half the fights. The parents also choose for long term compatibility, which makes a big difference. Love comes in time: Hollywood has sold us on all manner of bullshit about True Love and soul mates, but that's really piffle. You can come to love pretty much anyone who isn't horribly unsuited to you, given the right circumstances.
The contemporary western model of marriage is a fairly recent innovation, and it's far from clear that it's the ideal form.
Edward Norton consistently seems like the Hollywood actor who'd be the least annoying to talk to.
He was really normal, just a regular smart dude. We talked about socks and how he hurt his back falling off a horse making some movie.
What strikes me as odd about this conversation is that BBT has been cast as a sex symbol before, so I'm not sure why people surprised that he is one.
The contemporary western model of marriage is a fairly recent innovation
I blame Jane Austen.
given the right circumstances
Nice caveat there. It strikes me that arranged marriages don't begin to make sense unless you begin with the proposition that we must all get married, then proceed to ask how we might go about this.
105: Not necessarily. If you thought you'd be happier married (that is, in a long-term stable cohabitation relationship for the raising of children) than single, but didn't think much of romantic love, signing up for an arranged marriage would make sense. You'd just need to be thinking of yourself as choosing between marriage and singlehood for practical/lifestyle reasons, rather than the standard model of marriage-as-expression-of-true-love.
105 - Indeed. When things go wrong it can be hell, but it's hell when things go wrong in a non-arranged marriage too, as I can attest from experience.
It's also hardly obvious that arranged marriages do worse on the true-love front, statistically speaking.
106: Right, I almost added 'must get married for the sake of child-raising.' So it'd be not the proposition that we (one) must get married, but that we (one) must reproduce.
Or simply that one wishes to reproduce, of course, but as a societal institution, arranged marriage does seem to presuppose something more than an individually-driven desideratum.
Societies with arranged marriages usually also have well-defined sex roles and defined areas of control too, and the family tends to be a lot more than an arrangement between two individuals. Both partners step into a lot of given expectations from before they were born. It's more like a work team than two hearts beating as one.
A lot of arranged marriages are abusive and sexist, but so are a lot of love marriages.
Around here farmer marriages tend to be quasi arranged, because being a farm wife is really hard and it helps if the wife is a farm girl. I also think that I know of a case when the marriage contract included the bridegroom's agreement to go to school to train to take over the father-in-law's business.
92: But that's not "resignation to reality". You eagerly seek out evidence of your puny stature in the world, and then complain when the rest of us fail to recognize our similarly low stature. It has never occurred to me to wonder how my attractiveness compares to minor Hollywood actors. Why? Because I'm well-adjusted.
109: Sure, historically arranged marriages have been super patriarchal institutions where women are used as currency between families. But that seems to fade in places where arranged marriage and true-love-always marriage are competing institutions.
As the patriarchy fades and the ponies start arriving, I think we will see so many models for partnership and families develop that the contrast between arranged at TLA marriages will seem quaint.
OK, the theory is clear, now we need to start in on the practice. We must start arranging marriages among the commentariat. Go.
A frequent presupposition of arranged marriage is that everyone should be and wants to be married. (This supposition is backed by effective ways of making single women miserable. ) The Unfoggetariat does not meet this criterion, and it's not just me.
Jane Austen seems to have done OK unmarried, though. (But what did she write about? Pretty much only courtships and marriages).
113 - I can imagine a future with love brokers who will do the legwork of matching people up. Kind of a realtor type of person who represents you during the negotiations and the like. Which of course will lead to speculative bubbles, predatory matchmaking, the whole shebang.
You eagerly seek out evidence of your puny stature in the world, and then complain when the rest of us fail to recognize our similarly low stature.
Admit it, Walt! Admit how puny you are! Then and only then will my complaints cease to rain down upon your head!
It has never occurred to me to wonder how my attractiveness compares to minor Hollywood actors. Why? Because I'm well-adjusted.
Hey, I never claimed to be well-adjusted. But it seems to me you are pressing a little hard to find subtexts in 75.
You all are not biting. I'll start off with the easy ones:
Sifu-Blume
Bitch-ogged
It has never occurred to me to wonder how my attractiveness compares to minor Hollywood actors. Why? Because I'm well-adjusted.
And hung like a horse.
I can imagine a future with love brokers who will do the legwork of matching people up. Kind of a realtor type of person who represents you during the negotiations and the like. Which of course will lead to speculative bubbles, predatory matchmaking, the whole shebang.
This kind of activity is in the background of House of Mirth (towards the end, I think).
122: That's fine with me, but I'm going to have to regard you as a fixer-up. I got a big can of Can Do American Spirit right here that I'm ready to open.
118: I'm mostly teasing, which I tried to telegraph by calling myself well-adjusted. (The hung like a horse part is true, but I don't like to talk about it, since I'm very modest.) But you have written a couple of comments over the months along the lines of "we're all just little shits here, and only your delusions prevent you from noticing".
Emerson-read
A sound choice.
Shearer-AWB
total disaster, but the sex will be awesome.
AWB would tear Shearer apart like a roast chicken.
Read does matchmaking herself, as we know. I am not really a very good match, however.
"Hung like a tapir" is the contemporary idiom.
But you have written a couple of comments over the months along the lines of "we're all just little shits here, and only your delusions prevent you from noticing".
It's true that I believe this (internet commenting eventually x-rays your entire character).
But it's not personal, I think it about the entire human race. (Even Billy Bob Thornton). I claim the Buddha agrees with me.
I recently had a woman break up with me in part because "you put yourself down too much". My mom's verdict -- "good, she's right!".
total disaster, but the sex will be awesome.
Shearer doesn't seem like an awesome sex kinda guy. Thinking about it, that pairing might not even have comedy value. I think TLL-AWB might be a better choice for a disastrous match that could produce great sex.
Cryptic Ned needs someone to buck him up and make him feel cheerful and good about his attractiveness to women. Perhaps Parsimon would be up for the task.
Man, all my seduction of AWB gone to waste! If she marries Shearer, I claim the right to get drunk at the wedding and embarrass myself.
Yeah, TLL would be a better choice. Btw, the reason I'm throwing monkey wrenches into the gears of unfogged is that I have a hell of a toothache which is only treatable by alcohol.
That said, parsimon-teo.
And hung like a horse.
Walt's prodigious number of progeny in the Dallas area will raise the math scores of several school districts over the next 10-15 years. Unfortunately, this boon will arrive just in time to save the career of an unpopular Republican mayor, who is held up for the following decade as the man who finally figured out how to make Americans better than the Finns at math.
Arranged marriage does seem to be one of those cases demonstrating that people are not very good at converting freedom to happiness. I think in many cases the major use of freedom is preventing real exploitation, and absent exploitation people prefer the security of some assigned role. But I have an intuition that assigned marriage partners would work out better than assigned jobs or careers -- I wonder why? Probably it's just that people can adopt themselves to each other while careers are inflexible and crude.
P.S. last para of 130 can be seen as insulting to both CN and Parsimon in a way I didn't at all intend it to be. Apologies, perhaps I shouldn't even draw attention to it.
And yes, parsimon-teo is brilliant.
That said, parsimon-teo.
Genius.
132: what's wrong with wrenae-AWB and TLL-Shearer?
I recently had a woman break up with me in part because "you put yourself down too much". My mom's verdict -- "good, she's right!".
I believe I've mentioned this to you as well. Had you stuck around Sacramento, I would likely have put you on the my Push-up Program for Self-Deprecation. I am always shocked that the targets participate, but when I tell people to do ten push-ups every time they reflexively get down on themselves, for some reason, they do.
Also, I call dibs on SCMTim. He's a mystery and all, but two other (female) lurkers have confessed their crushes on him to me, so I want to establish my claim.
You don't have to get it, Parsimon. That's the beauty of arranged marriage.
TLL-Shearer is pretty good, though.
Don't play hard-to-get, parsi.
Actually, teo is lost to us now, what with having a girlfriend and everything.
Actually, teo is lost to us now, what with having a girlfriend and everything.
I was about to say! Does teo even visit unfogged now that he's getting laid?
145: Only during his refractory period.
I'm not interested in an arranged marriage, but can someone please arrange for redtailfoxshrub to move next door to us?
Oh, and while you are at it, get armsmasher in Richmond too so I'll know what events the cool kids are going to go see. Maybe if Megan were dragged here, I might play Ultimate and get in shape.
Why would parsimon-teo be more brilliant than the other proposition of parsimon-me?
I'm assuming that we're talking about the brilliance of our hypothetical progeny.
On the issue of me being attractive to women, I'm taking a really long time to get used to the idea that the period during which I was to "sow wild oats" is over forevre and was largely devoid of any oat-sowing at all. Long-distance engagement with no set date has all of hte disadvantages of many things.
the brilliance of our hypothetical progeny
Ah! I see! Well, but of course.
really, Parsimon+anybody is brilliant
I was sad about the sex mafia demanding protection money, until I realized they would take it in trade.
We talked about socks and how he hurt his back falling off a horse making some movie.
I think I've seen that terrible terrible movie!
You want an arranged marriage with equal parts wild sex and china smashing? I give you Bostoniangirl and Kotsko.
Blissful harmony: LizardBreath and Helpychalk.
The couple that quarrels every single day of their 65-year-long marriage? W-lfs-n and Belle Lettre.
The unexpectedly awesome wedding reception: PGD and Megan
You know, some of these pairings really highlight the extent to which, contra PGD's internet commenting eventually x-rays your entire character at 130, internet commenting is pretty limited.
an arranged marriage with equal parts wild sex and china smashing? I give you Bostoniangirl and Kotsko. me and Ogged.
Oh, who am I kidding? There would be no china smashing, just Olympic-level passive aggression.
A wedding reception by Megan would be awesome, I'm sure of it.
158: Only because of the sex.
me and Ogged
Apo, the rules here are that we're doing whimsical speculation, not regrettable personal experience.
I was thinking Emerson-mcmanus. (with webcams)
It would be an intellectually violent, short-lived mix of Fargo and The Odd Couple, maybe with a dollop of Sling Blade to bring it on topic.
TJ - y'all would be invited, of course.
You want an arranged marriage with equal parts wild sex and china smashing? I give you Bostoniangirl and Kotsko.
Are you kidding? Neither strike me as either wild or china-smashers. I nominate Tripp and B for that pairing.
I nominate Tripp and B for that pairing.
I fear that in that pairing, Tripp would not be a direct participant in either the wild sex or the china smashing.
162: You're thinking of "Grumpy Old Men", and actual movie.
153: I un-Leechblocked Unfogged just to read that comment, Knecht. Too true. I'd respond, but what is there to say? Sigh. Back to org theory.
W-lfs-n and Belle Lettre
Sounds like a Fifties screwball comedy waiting to happen.
169: "Oriental". This is the 1950s we're talking about. The running gag about how Belle mispronounces "W-lfs-n" would get old really fast.
170: That made me laugh out loud.
BL: Rorfson, what is this ooey gooey goopy stuff? I hope you are not expecting for me to be cooking with it!
BW: That's schmaltz, my dear. My mother will be over in an hour, so...rearrange your hairdo or something.
BL: Oh no!
I'm sure that Vietnamese ar happy with schmalz, whether or not they already use it. In general East Asian cookery is very enterprising, experimental, and accepting of new things that can be eaten. There's a whole Franco-Vietnamese cuisine, for example.
173 belongs on standpipes other blog, John.
Hmm... 160 was originally to the comment that now became 157. But I kind of like it the way it is now.
I'm at a loss as to who we should set me up with now that bitch has got ogged.
I've suggested w-lfs-n, but husband x doesn't think he rates.
It seems no-one wants to set me up with anybody ....
It's just because all the Americans feel guilty about exoticising you in a culturally insensitive way for the sexy accent/voice.
ttaM, after your bragging about how girls always hit on you, you're on your own.
re: 183
Yeah, I knew that'd bite me on the ass. I've not been single for a long time, I suspect if I were [god forbid] that I wouldn't be quite the magnet I was in the previous decade.
Not that I was that much of a magnet anyway [modest, too!]
Die unglückliche find ways to make die glückliche miserable.
...that I wouldn't be quite the magnet I was in the previous decade.
I suspect this stays relatively constant within the same social/age group, modulo availability. By which I mean if everyone in your circles has married off, it's more problematic.
What will really get you in trouble is if you're looking to revisit that previous decade.
181: Do any of our Unfoggedettes have really thick southern accents, special for ttaM? He can grind his molars into dust. Hmm. Maybe Knecht has a cousin?
does fleur herself have a southern accent or is she from somewhere else? I don't remember.
Wrenae is a north caroliniann. Or maybe that's Winna. similar names get mixed up.
I've suggested w-lfs-n, but husband x doesn't think he rates.
Next time I see husband x, I'm having a frank discussion with him.
re: 188
I like thick southern accents.
re: 187
I was single in 2000. For about 6 weeks. And I did at that time have three people interested in me. So, it wasn't that bad.
But in 2000 I was really fit looking. Right now, I am not.
190: Wrenae. I think Winna is from PA.
192: So it's just Americans who talk about herbs that are a problem.
But in 2000 I was really fit looking. Right now, I am not.
That helps. I was really only trying to suggest that past success with 22 year olds is not a good future predictor of success with 22 year olds, if large enough values of future.
re; 195
Yeah. I have a friend [or used to have, I've not seen him for a while] who was an inveterate chaser after women. That was vaguely embarrassing [he was fairly sleazy about it] when he was 20 and good looking. I imagine he's either changed his ways or setting new standards for pathetic round about now.
And that friend was Paul Grice!
Wrenae.
But does she have a thick souther accent?!??!?!?!?
But does she have a thick souther accent?!??!?!?!?
She ought to, seeing as she is from Alabama originally, but she does not.
A few speech classes in college set me right. I have a mild one, which blossoms briefly and luridly while I'm talking on the phone to my family, and then wilts within a half-hour of hanging up.
People tell me I have a nice voice, though, and I can fake the accent for sexual purposes, so don't count me out entirely.
199 is about me, too, except Mom is from Alabama, not me. The speech classes, the family-phone accent, the nice voice and fake accent for sex.
Man, no one wants to listen to an exaggerated New York accent during sex other than Bugs Bunny fetishists, and how often is a girl lucky enough to run into one of those?
Brief and lurid blossoms are sexy.
200: Apparently, AWB, you and I are the same person. That's how I knew about the ear thing, natch.
Or, since you are much more glamorous, smart & articulate than I, I must be a subset of your person, a distant cousin personality which languishes in the shadowy recesses of NC, just in case you need a doppleganger for emergency purposes.
My mom gets the phone accent when she calls her parents, who live 45 minutes away but have the old Pittsburgh working-class accent. My mom has had a more generic accent since she met my dad. It's noticeable enough that I was picking up on it as a kid.
I believe once good with women, always good with women. I know at least two cases of once-handsome playboys in their 50s and 60s, looks long since gone, still dating women in their 20s. True that they aren't as beautiful as the women they were dating in their 20s, but they are still adoring and reasonably attractive.
Man, no one wants to listen to an exaggerated New York accent during sex other than Bugs Bunny fetishists,
Garth Algar: Did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played girl bunny?
Wayne Campbell: No.
[cracks up laughing]
Wayne Campbell: No.
Garth Algar: Neither did I. I was just asking.
Re: 205. True LA story: Last year, my friend, a state court prosecutor, takes his six year old daughter to the first day of soccer practice. While there, the daughter starts talking to another five-year-old on the team, who is there with an stunningly gorgeous 20-something mom.
My friend's daughter says, pointing proudly to her dad, "my dad helps lock up mean criminals. What does your daddy do? "
The other six year old says: "oh, my dad makes a lot of movies. His name is Robert Evans, do you know him?"
And so it goes.
When I get nervous or angry or am half-asleep my accent shoots off the charts (resulting in sounding like a tremendous hillbilly during UDC2 due to unbelievably extreme nervousness/shyness). I can't figure out if those times are simply emotional extremes prompting equal behavioral extremes or if those are times when I am most "myself" in some way. I do expend measurable effort most of the time trying to keep my accent tamped down as my work involves a lot of time on the phone and the need to sound like a calm, neutral, professional expert. As soon as a client annoys me, though, that falls apart and I'm Pissed Off Andy Griffith.
Pissed Off Andy Griffith
A little wordy, but not a bad pseud.
No wordier than "Unfoggetarian (9): Pause endlessly, then go in".
resulting in sounding like a tremendous hillbilly during UDC2 due to unbelievably extreme nervousness/shyness
you sounded like a witty, sophisticated southerner to me at UDC2. Good dancer too.
you sounded like a witty, sophisticated southerner to me at UDC2. Good dancer too.
He *sounded* like a good dancer? McManly Pants tap danced and I fucking missed it? I am so pissed.
heh, interesting matches, though mine were like better researched, if i'd have your birth dates and portraits i could match unfoggedians kinda pretty successfully ime irl
i'd suggest also if the marriages were to be arranged they should be arranged also kinda like job contracts in 3-7 yrs fashion, after that terminated automatically or the couple can extend the term if they wish
that way one can enjoy all the benefits of marriage like average in 10 different combinations in one's lifetime and maybe even live longer
coz 3-7 yrs, that's the limit of human affection or curiosity becoming just a habit and boring and vice versa if it's an arranged marriage setting in most cases, the arranged marriages would be not that bad too, coz i suspect 20-30% or even less of all marriages are like that, meant to be in heaven, others are pretty much depend on the circumstances and the partners are who life provided and can be imagined other people instead of them pretty easily
as divorce rates are reflecting the reality pretty accurately maybe
regarding the matches, it should be just good balanced in order to work, usually it's some weak and strong combination, like compatible imbalance of characters, wills, interests, temperaments or whatever is the bond
if two strong-willed or too much personality people will be put in one team, i doubt they'll be that compatible
