Four day work weeks are a massive improvement in quality of life. 20th century --> 40 hour week, 21st century --> 32 hour week. I can dream, anyway.
Also, the NBA regular season has begun! Woo-hoo, I love this game!
Don't they have a 35-hour work week over there in Red France?
We got an all-company email today announcing that the office would close from Christmas to New Years Day, and everybody enjoy their extra vacation. Very nice.
A few people I know have 9/80 schedules and love it. 4x10 would be nice, too.
I normally work a 4-day week. The reasoning is that I actually get as much, if not more, done than I would with a 5-day week, because I become tired, fragged out, I begin to make mistakes by the fifth day. It's entirely true.
Don't they have a 35-hour work week over there in Red France?
Pretty much, though it's been weakened.
Sixteen weeks paid maternity leave, too. And parental leave for one parent until the child is three.
3: A blatant dog whistle to the pr0n industry that Teh Hero is available for the last week in December. Very nice, indeed.
Yeah, pretend I closed that italics tag in 5.
I knew a guy who worked a 16 x 2 schedule. because of overtime that equalled 40 hrs., with a 5-day weekend.
IF ONLY YOU WHIPPERSNAPPERS KNEW THE THUMB CALLUSES AND LONG CHEETO-FILLED NIGHTS WE SUFFERED TRYING TO MAKE THE 4-DAY WORK-WEEK A REALITY
YOU LITTLE FUCKERS
3: Your company has to specially announce closing between Christmas and New Years'? For real?
This is not relevant to the post. From the Wikipedia entry on confidence tricks:
The Ogged A new con trick born in the age of blogs. For this scam, the con artist creates a pseudonymous internet persona and befriends a group of people online who will become his marks. Then the scammer feigns some terrible disease, such as stomach cancer. Finally, the scammer subtly pushes the idea that his online "friends" could pitch in for something to make him feel better, such as a $700 gift certificate to the French Laundry. After the boon is received, the scam artist claims a miraculous recovery or doctor error. Finally, once the gift certificate has been cashed, the con artist claims that he must "go on hiatus" or even quit blogging altogether.
11: The world runs 24/7, DS. Where have you been?
2: In principle yes, if the firm has 20 employees or more. Though the last too administrations made it easier to work overtime. On average the French work around 40 hours. Of course there are still 6 weeks of paid vacation (not including holidays).
Though the last too administrations
They're just too administrations, over there.
12: For added fun, check how far back the first entries on "The Ogged" go.
3: My last company announced a year and a half ago that they were shutting down for the week between Christmas and New Year's... and that you had to take vacation time for it. This company also prohibited employees from borrowing against unearned vacation time.
That was fun.
The Fall Classic should not run into (meteorological) winter. Damned extended season and playoffs.
15: It's a secular world. And globalized. There is no clock. It runs like, well, like a machine, see, or a computer, always on. Always there. There is no such thing as taking time off during which functions are suspended altogether. That's what temps are for: to ensure that time is not interrupted, does not endure any hiccups, if you will. For the world ends in that case.
Also, Ogged is completely legitimate.
Let me hear another sound from you, and you'll keep your Christmas by losing your situation.
17: If you're going to jump all over other people's spelling mistakes, please make at least a tiny bit of effort to be funny. Thank you.
online IQ tests are gone from that page, does it mean i'm really 129? nice
i work like 12 hrs a day 6 days per week, on weekends shorter time of course
good thing the pace is up to me so can procrastinate or run around crazylike, and Japanese, they work themselves, my prof f.e, until 10-11 PM, so can't complain
when home i worked three jobs, so it was also like from 8-9 am to 9-10 pm, cursed life
Hey, Stanley, how are your roommates coping with the world economy so far falling short of their survivalist dreams?
24: if you're going to be a baby about other people making fun of your typos, maybe these aren't the comment threads for you.
I sometimes wonder what percentage of my motivation for becoming a professor was rooted in my realization, around the age of 22, that I could not work traditional hours. I end up working pretty much always now, which sucks, but I don't have to be in the office. And if I want, I can take days off. Plus, I'm told that being dead wood is a great way to spend one's 50s and early 60s.
I hate not working traditional hours. Clock in, work, clock out: time for cocktails! That's the life for me.
Or wait a minute, I should get a job where I can drink while I'm working!
26: Funny you should ask! This evening, my survivalist roommate and I had an extended discussion about the possibility of a partial meltdown, something on the order of the Dark Ages, but with much more retained knowledge, due to a far better educated population spread over a much larger geographic area. Fun times!
30: and same hand-waving about some colonialist stuff.
It's 11pm and I am only just getting home. I was up at 4am to get on four flights over the course of the day for a job I'm likely to get canned from. Quiet, youse.
I'm told that being dead wood is a great way to spend one's 50s and early 60s.
I prefer to think of myself as sequestered carbon. At least until I rot.
32: Yes, but I had to give a lecture on the social transformations wrought by the American Revolution. It lasted almost a whole hour. And I found the whole experience, standing there and talking, quite fatiguing.
Or wait a minute, I should get a job where I can drink while I'm working!
I thought you'd already worked in the tech industry.
28: my realization, around the age of 22, that I could not work traditional hours
There's a middle ground: disliking the requirement to log a certain number of hours per week, but realizing that discipline will break down, work will not get done, if you don't impose some form of it on yourself. Others don't have this self-discipline problem.
But yeah: I pay a financial price for the self-employed lifestyle, but oh so much make up for it in flexibility. Nonetheless, I insist upon starting at 10 and stopping at 6. It's terrible, really, I tell you. 4 days per week, more or less.
35: I did, and it was awesome. What the hell'd I stop doing that for?
34: you're a regular cottage industry.
37: Look, if I stop, the economy grinds to a halt. So I soldier on. For America.
30: 26: Funny you should ask! This evening, my survivalist roommate and I had an extended discussion about the possibility of a partial meltdown, something on the order of the Dark Ages, but with much more retained knowledge, due to a far better educated population spread over a much larger geographic area. Fun times!
Wait, they're not talking about joining a collective farm or something? That's probably just another conversation, eh?
Sifu, I seem to have hit the wrong note. I was only the tiniest bit annoyed, but didn't want to get into a spat with you. So, Apologies.
Wait, they're not talking about joining a collective farm or something?
Nah, they're expecting it all to go to hell, so they can roam around and, I surmise, kill gophers and shit.
I was only the tiniest bit annoyed
It's constructive annoyance. Pedantry helps everyone!
41: They're stupid. They should join a farm. I mean, how does a farm go to hell? You are growing your own food. Assuming you're conserving seeds, can keep the machinery running (an if), have a decent abode, you're reasonably okay. Some other important variables there (water, critters, marauders), but still.
[Somewhat seriously, I had this conversation with myself this afternoon as I left the local CSA after the weekly pickup.]
I like the flexibility of when I do my work, but the way I alternate between overzealous "finally-I'll-finish-writing-this-paper" 60 or 70 hour weeks and completely-burned-out weeks of 25 hours of not-very-competent work at best plus many hours of refreshing web pages probably means I would be more productive if I forced myself to work a fixed schedule every week.
44: I think you're missing the appeal of their particular flavor of survivalism.
Much more romance in marauding than in farming.
45: There really is something to be said for basically setting the clock: 10 am (this seems reasonable to me for starting time), sit the hell down and work. 1 or 2 or so, chill out and have some lunch, read blogs or news, no more than an hour, preferably less, then back to work, dumbass. Stop at 6, period.
I don't know: I apparently work best with this stark structure now. Otherwise my work strays all over my life.
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Simone went to the McCain rally in Hershey today. Unaccountably, she omitted from her report McCain's promise that if he's elected president, no World Series games will be delayed so he can give a televised address.
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Does this person live with you or something? Is that why she's in your flickr pool? Didn't you mention this, actually?
Is she single?
Much more romancestarving and violent deaths in marauding than in farming.
51: I don't know, Irish history says otherwise.
The battle between settled farmers and marauding nomads is one of the oldest and deepest themes in human history. Finally settled over the last 500 years or so. The problem with marauding nomads is taht they can't grow their own food, the problem with settled farmers is they make great targets for the marauding nomads.
I mean, how does a farm go to hell?
Quite easily, especially when run by people who don't know how to farm.
Ben, Simone is staying with us for a couple months. She is single. Send me an email if you're coming to DC.
The problem with marauding nomads is taht they can't grow their own food, the problem with settled farmers is they make great targets for the marauding nomads.
I smell a sitcom in the offing!
Much more starving and violent deaths in marauding than in farming.
not necessarily, it depends who wins the battle. The really successful nomadic marauders get to found empires, or take over existing ones, and tax the farmers.
46, 47: Eh, the marauders wouldn't be able to distinguish a sweet potato field from a patch of weeds, a raspberry patch from a gopher hedge, or a bed of sweet oregano from -- weeds, again.
I don't like to disrepect Stanley's roommates: maybe they know something.
P.S. Is it true that organic chard is selling for $5/lb. at farmer's markets?
Alas, nothing foreseeable brings me to D.C..
First as tragedy:
The problem with marauding nomads is taht they can't grow their own food, the problem with settled farmers is they make great targets for the marauding nomads.
then as farce:
Ben, Simone is staying with us for a couple months. She is single. Send me an email if you're coming to DC.
46, 47: Eh, the marauders wouldn't be able to distinguish a sweet potato field from a patch of weeds, a raspberry patch from a gopher hedge, or a bed of sweet oregano from -- weeds, again.
I don't see why you think this.
Anyway, we students of history—and cinema—know that the farmers always win in the end.
I have two working hands, Gonerill. I can grow my own food.
58: And the really smart ones didn't kill farmers so much, unless they had there own.
I wasn't talking about this historically, but in the context of the statment. That is, after a social collapse now though. In this case the vast majority of the so-called `marauders' can be expected to wander around for a while looting grocery stores and shooting at squirrels, until they either get killed by slightly less ill-prepared wannabe visigoths, or starve to death.
I don't like to disrepect Stanley's roommates: maybe they know something.
This is my current strategy. Plus, they're nice folks and clean the bathroom rather often.
All the farmers who never had samurai-for-hire or enigmatic but ultimately kind-hearted gunmen to take their side just never showed up in the movies.
the farmers always win in the end
Well, yeah. It doesn't take too long on the farm before the marauders realize they've lost their sense of purpose. So off they go, marauding.
I have two working hands, Gonerill. I can grow my own food.
I knew someone once whose technique for interviewing job candidates (not in academia) was to say "Show me your hands!" and then pronounce on whether the candidate showed any palmocological evidence of having ever grown their own food or otherwise worked an honest job in their lives.
The War Nerd on nomadism and survivalists:
Somalis actually live the way these survivalist wackos up in the Idaho panhandle think they live: all on their own, protecting their families. The way the Idaho nuts do it is all wrong, which any Somali or Bedu could tell them: you don't hole up in a log cabin with a bunch of motion sensors and polish your gun collection all day like a sitting duck. You move, you and your goats. You keep moving, keep watch, and don't trust anybody outside the clan. If you're really going to do it you can't do that single-family stuff. Too easy to besiege and wipe out. You need a clan. So the Somalis are organized in clans for mutual defense, hitting each other and running. Used to do it on livestock, then they met their dream car, the Toyota pickup, and never looked back.
64: In this case the vast majority of the so-called `marauders' can be expected to wander around for a while looting grocery stores and shooting at squirrels, until they either get killed by slightly less ill-prepared wannabe visigoths, or starve to death.
This is making me laugh.
Speaking of the Bedu, dig this claim from, I presume, the Arabian Sands of Wilfred Thesiger, bits of which were issued by Penguin as Across the Empty Quarter: Glubb once told me of a Bedu sheikh who was known as 'The Host of the Wolves', because whenever he heard a wolf howl round his tent he ordered his son to take a goat out in the desert, saying he would have no one call on him for dinner in vain.
Hardcore!
71: ben's forthcoming parenting skills continue to reveal themselves.
Simone went to the McCain rally in Hershey today. Unaccountably, she omitted from her report McCain's promise that if he's elected president, no World Series games will be delayed so he can give a televised address.
I don't read German. Was she able to draw any parallels between today's rally and noteworthy rallies in her home country? Oh, and BTW, McCain, you prick, read the Times:
Fox executives have said that they, and not the Obama campaign, had initially asked Major League Baseball to move the start of Wednesday's game to 8:35 p.m. from 8:20, to make way for his infomercial. But as it turns out, such a delay was not necessary anyway; none of the World Series games has started before 8:30, and two started after 8:35.
I think the idea is that the wolves would eat the goat, Stanley, not the son.
Was she able to draw any parallels between today's rally and noteworthy rallies in her home country?
None that she wrote about in that entry.
Ben knows how to grow his own food, he says. He has two hands. Also, he can work with the innards of fleshly beings. Presumably he has the wherewithal and skills to build and maintain the structures necessary to support these endeavors, or he knows and has active relationships with people who do. Cooperative like.
Cool.
I think the idea is that the wolves would eat the goat, Stanley, not the son.
Uh huh.
I also take as a lesson from all this that the farmers should engage in under-the-radar techniques, in order to foil the marauders.
Ben knows how to grow his own food, he says. He has two hands.
To discover what I meant when I connected the latter observation to the former claim, you might want to investigate what sort of parallel Gonerill could have been drawing in 61.
Idaho has a population density half that of Somalia, is much more urbanized, and has vastly different terrain. I remain unconvinced that the War Nerd has any idea what he's talking about.
Potatoes are very nutritive. A most nutritive aliment.
[Charley says I can write in German, and someone will translate]
Es ist absolut nicht vergleichbar mit irgendeiner Art von Wahlveranstaltung, die ich bislang kannte. Nicht einmal der CDU-Parteitag ist dermassen konservativ. Dort haben alle ganz verdruckst die Nationalhymne gesungen - kein Vergleich zu dem inbruenstigen Chor in Hershey. In Deutschland waeren auch nicht Tausende bei der Frage aufgesprungen, ob sie im Zweiten WEltkrieg oder sonstwo gedient haben... Und das ist von der Partei bei uns wohl unabhaengig.
At Ma Bell I had the pleasure of 4x10's. They were unquestionably superior to 5x8's. That said, I always felt like those last two hours I was pretty useless and I often cut out 30 to 45 minutes early. The weekenders had to work 3x13's which would have killed me dead.
21: I've never been happier to live in rustic, simple Canada, where we know to take time out to watch reruns of The Royle Family and drink ourselves into a stupor.
Or maybe that's just me.
27: *waving hand* These are not the comments threads you're looking for. They may go about their business. Move along.
Introducing impressionable foreigners to Unfogged is not going to help America's international reputation, Mr. Carp.
P.S. Is it true that organic chard is selling for $5/lb. at farmer's markets?
Not at any Farmers' Market I go to (although I note with disapproval that the Oakland market is often three times as expensive as my beloved Sacramento market). I pay a dollar a bunch, with the bunched stems being about as thick as my wrist.
In a few more months, I'll have enough chard in both of my gardens that I will start to cross myself and ward off the approach of any additional chard.
Also, I worked a 32 hour week for a year or so and can report that it is freakin' awesome. Perhaps counter-intuitively, I recommend taking the Wednesday off. Then you never work more than two days in a row. If you do all your errands on Wednesday, your weekends are truly free. I was not pleased when my work informed me that I had to go to full time.
79: To discover what I meant when I connected the latter observation to the former claim, you might want to investigate what sort of parallel Gonerill could have been drawing in 61.
Ah. You're kind for the direction.
Perhaps counter-intuitively, I recommend taking the Wednesday off.
This is so true. The best.
When I worked third shift at Kinko's many years ago, we did eight ten-hour days in a row (10pm-8am), then get six days off. So you worked Thursday to Thursday, then were off 'til the next Thursday. Really, it was the best schedule I've ever had.
I figure it's maybe two years until 32 hours becomes full-time. Employers will be happy to do it to maximize their (low) warm-body count, especially if they aren't paying for health insurance. Downside: you still get paid the same effective hourly rate.
The farmers eventually beat the marauders, but only after a bunch of farmers die. On the other hand, smart marauders target cattle, sheep, goats and other protein on the hoof. No fussing with plants that way.
Of course, if the world truly goes to hell, you get a war, and then some nukes, so anybody that survives won't have to worry about marauders for decades.
max
['Not so much with the knowledge.']
91, I was busy watching the stupidest movie ever made by a man.
One of my favorites was 7am to 3pm Wednesday through Friday, 3pm to 11pm Saturday and Sunday, off Monday and Tuesday. I got to go out on Friday night, go out late on Saturday if I wanted, run errands on Monday & Tuesday, never see rush hour traffic, etc. That was pretty sweet.
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New McCain ad: Hugo Chavez, anarchist protestors marching in the streets, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will attack America if Obama is elected. Joe Biden said so.
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I figure it's maybe two years until 32 hours becomes full-time.
Er, what? Aren't 50+-hour workweeks becoming more and more standard?
I can't wait for the Obamastration. Exciting times.
86: I pay a dollar a bunch, with the bunched stems being about as thick as my wrist.
This depends entirely on the type of chard, how big are the leaves, etc. Plus you're in California. Word here is that really, truly, a lb. of chard is going for $5/lb. which is freakin' ridiculous, jaw-dropping. So my CSA is planning to expand this coming season to sell at the farmers' markets. We have to torture some extra money out of the County to fund the additional fields and interns. There's some fear about all this. Developing a couple of extra fields, plus the labor of going to farmer's markets -- not a small thing.
Also, for the 32-hour, or 4-day, work week, I favor Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday.
Saturday, you say? Well, yeah. With this weekly schedule, you work only two days in a row one time (Wed/Thurs); otherwise it's an every other day thing. And if you want that Saturday off for an actual two-day weekend possibly involving going out of town, you just say hey: Need to rearrange this coming week.
Employers will be happy to do it to maximize their (low) warm-body count, especially if they aren't paying for health insurance.
That's a very big if. As long as the fixed costs of an employee are high, it makes more sense to work the ones you have as long as possible. (Probably does anyway, for a lot of jobs, but benefits costs sure don't help.)
Holy shit, I know! I need to investigate this, man. I mean, we've been composting the stuff.
Perhaps people should head off the chard bubble by eating less chard. I'd be willing to; after our first few CSA deliveries of the season, I'm all charded out.
93, what was it?
82, I read German very well. The accent in my head sounds great, throaty but smooth. I don't understand it hardly at all, though. Ben, are you going to translate?
102 to 100, of course. Sigh. They say the marauders will invade the compost pile.
I'm all charded out.
LET'S GET RE-CHARDED.
Ben, are you going to translate?
I would be ashamed to commit to a database my bashful offering when there are others whose German is so much better than mine. So you should be aware that what follows is highly loose, though hopefully the sense is mostly preserved. (100% true fact: I initially wrote "presevered" there.) I can at least mostly tell when I'm traducing the text, at least. Life! How difficult it is!
It's absolutely not comparable with any sort of election event I've ever seen. Not even the CDU convention is so conservative. The people there sang the national anthem quite reluctantly—no comparison to the fervent [there must be a better translation than this] choir in Hershey. Moreover in Germany you wouldn't have thousands of people ambushed with the question whether they served in WW2 or anywhere else … and among us that is independent of one's party.
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. God.
I postpone eating chard as long as possible, knowing full well that the leafy greens season will outlast my enthusiasm.
You'll be sorry when you DIE of ANEMIA, Megan.
I'm sorry my query cost you effort, ben. I was really just making a tactless reference to the Nazis.
although I note with disapproval that the Oakland market is often three times as expensive as my beloved Sacramento market
Why do you hate capitalism, Megan?
The link in 107 makes me miss ogged.
The link in 113 is not topical, but it's something everyone should see.
108: That's why we figure we might as well sell off the extra. Nobody wants all these leafy greens -- except some people do, at a high price.
An awful lot of stuff gets composted, from sweet potatoes that are a little damaged by mouse-nibbles, to hundreds of green tomatoes, to, obviously, leafy greens. It freaks me out that people locally might be starving while we throw this stuff away. I understand that this is old news, but we used to able to afford high-minded standards, and if a time should come in which we're no longer able to, I'd like to have a distribution network in place.
When I became chard-weary at the end of the summer, I made mashed potatoes and mixed in a chiffonade of chard and beet greens (same species!). It was a terrifically pink dish.
Leafy greens threads are the new swimming threads.
113 - Holy crap, I remember that! I hadn't seen it in years and years, although I occasionally thank people with "thank you Masked Man."
Chard in summer? Your ways are very strange.
118: Surely something had to replace them.
And, chard at the end of the summer? We still have fresh raspberries at the end of October.
(It's fantastic, of course, but you have to get there by like 5 pm if it's not going to be a little dark for the picking.)
Okay, it had been sitting in the fridge for a bit. So not exactly end-of-summer chard. But it was still fine!
Actually, I don't know. I think you can't accelerate the growth of sour cherries (this is probably wrong -- but the procedure might take a year or two to produce), so the alternative is to look into preservation of cherries. Those wouldn't be fresh cherries, which is what I assume you want.
I can't very well look into the preservation of cherries I haven't got.
Life grows longer: next time you get cherries, look into their preservation. Your missing of cherries must go on for another space of time, and then you'll either let them go again, or you'll look into preserving them.
Sometimes, for certain things, preserving doesn't really capture the thing, you know. I'd feel that way about cherries.
The Maraschino family had a clever cherry-preservation method.
I work a four-day week at the school in Andalucía where I teach English. The teachers at my school apologize frequently for the number of hours I'm working (capped at 12, in class or meetings) & say they wish I got paid more.
I have an extra-long weekend once a month, and a mandatory two hour siesta (mandatory because everything is closed).
I endorse this lifestyle.
111 -- To which the response seem to be 'oh yeah, well, who's all scary now?'
I have a four day work week, most weeks. It's not quite as cushy as it sounds, however, as the fourth day involves working between 15 and 20 hours.
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I wished that I could live blog it, and I was too tired to comment once I got home, so I'll say it now.
Watching the opening Celtics game from a corporate box is awesome--even if they do serve bud light. At least they had Sam Adams too. (There was also commemorative champagne, but we sent that back to the HR person who manages the raffle and who's ineligible to go to the games herself.)
Also, trampoline dunking should become an olympic sport.
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What I miss is sour cherries.
Just pretend you never wanted them in the first place, and presto, you have sour grapes instead.
The Maraschino cherry we know was invented in Oregon, by science. Go Beavers! Earlier maraschino cherries were alcoholic.
"Go Beavers! Earlier maraschino cherries were alcoholic."
And this was an improvement?
Well, they show up for work more reliably now, and are kinder to their families.
I'M A HELL OF A LOT NICER WHEN I'M DRUNK!
Let's face it, the maraschino cherry of today is an advanced industrial cherry, not like those reactionary old peasant cherries produced by drunken folk methods.
104.1: It was Guy Ritchie's Revolver. An epic crime drama about Jason Statham overcoming his ego and finding his superego, I think. Fucking awful.
re: 141
I quite like Jason Statham [in big dumb action movies] but I have heard Revolver is just unbelievably bad.
Shortly after college an architect I was working for had a project in central PA for which he couldn't get a contractor. It was a decent size adaptive reuse of an old industrial/warehouse-type structure. For awhile we were talking about me running the job with a buddy. We would have done it as a 4 day workweek, spending the weekends in Pgh (to be with Bad Old GF - it wasn't a perfect plan). Alas, it never came to be - would have been one hell of an education, not to mention that this buddy would have been awesome company.
Word here is that really, truly, a lb. of chard is going for $5/lb.
That's insane.
The problem with marauding nomads is taht they can't grow their own food,
i think the notion that marauding nomads can't grow their own food is erroneous, coz no need for them to grow anything
i won't speak for others, but our nomads sure could always feed themselves at least by hunting, we always had our own high quality protein sources, very herbacious, and daily dairy too, there was never any kind of avitaminosis mentioned anywhere i suppose, coz offals are a great source of all kinds of vitamins
so if we were marauding, forced to do so if the previous attempts of barter were rejected, so it was certainly not for food but for luxury items, silk, tea, gold and silver we could get plenty i guess from our sources, our jewelry making was pretty advanced etc
tea bricks f.e. were like kinda substitute of currency sometimes iirc
Many of the ruling classes of the world were descended from nomads.
with the ruling classes whatever, i just object to picturing nomads as hungry starving marauders unable to feed themselves
Ah, let me reminisce.
I remember when the four day work week of 32 hours was just around the corner. I remember when cheap energy and automation were going to do so much of the work we'd all have the problem of finding something to do with all our free time. I remember when we were told "Yeah, you are starting off slow, but your pension will accrue greatly in the final five years so it will all be worth it." I remember when "they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work" was something they said only in Russia.
I'm not making this stuff up.
I want my trip to the moon. I want my flying car. I want to retire at 55 like my Dad who got one of the last, huge, generous severance packages just so he'd retire.
i just object to picturing nomads as hungry starving marauders unable to feed themselves
But read, we weren't talking about historically nomadic populations, who'd learned the trade at the knees of successful marauders. We were talking about (typically) delusional survivalist nutjobs.
The battle between settled farmers and marauding nomads is one of the oldest and deepest themes in human history. Finally settled over the last 500 years or so. The problem with marauding nomads is taht they can't grow their own food, the problem with settled farmers is they make great targets for the marauding nomads.
PGD's comment
We were really talking about loony Americans who watch movies like Road Warrior, etc.
Nomadic peoples often had agriculture but generally were better off getting it from settled peoples. Comparative advantage.
there was never any kind of avitaminosis mentioned anywhere i suppose, coz offals are a great source of all kinds of vitamins
I like that read isn't trying too hard to assimilate.
sorry, i was interrupted
and that sentence is repeated many times throughout the thread, sure we can't maybe distinquish between different sorts of growing things but hopefully i can follow the conversation like what is it about in general, and when the delusional survivalist reference comes into it
but if you didn't think about nomads the way it was quoted in the sentence, good
read is right in that nomads can potentially support themselves peaceably by livestock herding and hunting. They are the hunters vs. the gatherer farmers. It's just that doesn't make as good a movie.
Also, none of you sniffy farming snobs are invited to join my nomadic band. Read is welcome though, she'll be full of Mongol how-to tips.
When I was in Taiwan one of my students told me that entire ships full of offals come there from America, and return filled with Taiwanese manufactures. organ meats are considered delicacies over there. Even things like tendon and uterus are prized.
Trading offals for manufactured goods certainly does sound like a big step in the direction of third-world status, though.
Nomadic peoples also smelted their own iron, as did sub-Saharan Africans before European contact.
Nomadic peoples also smelted their own iron, as did sub-Saharan Africans before European contact. of their livestock, which in no way differentiated them from farmers.
Mongol how to
the tendons and uteruses are given to dogs
customarily
well enough Mongol customs lecture for today i guess
I've et my share of turkey cartilage and tendon and even a chicken's pecker but never saw me no turkey uterus. Have I been short-changed?
Yeah, smelt got good nutrition, what with the skeleton and offal and all. Earthworms taste like dirt though.
Turkeys have buttholes, Tripp. As Chuang Tzu said, seven-hole creatures lay eggs, eight-hole creatures bear live young.
You have to let the earthworms cleanse themselves in damp cornmeal.
164.last like snails, then, are they?
What makes this a good eclectic webmagazine is that the perspective of the nomad is represented to a degree unmatched at Slate or SpikedOnline.
In Southern Africa the nomadic populations were usually herders and often settled for extended periods, so the farmer/nomad distinction was one of particular lifestyle choices within a single ethnic group or even family. Even during times of wandering the region over which they wandered was well defined, with the same places being visited repeatedly over generations. The nomadic lifestyle in this case was similar to crop rotation in a way, with the "crop" being cattle or goats and the rotation being from one place to another, allowing time for recovery between visits. There was also considerable deliberate planting of useful herbs and vegetables as well as of trees so as to ensure plentiful supplies of firewood on the next visit, which might be as much as ten years away.
Offal is hip these days, though perhaps not in your lameo town, Wrongshore. Read's on the cutting edge.
I once served on a labor board trying to adjust overtime pay. We rapacious management types offered going to 4 10 hour days, especially when bad weather was predicted. Our offer was firmly rejected by the farm labor representatives. Overtime starts at eight hours, period full stop. I think they did not represent the workers very well.
Offal is hip these days
And they say it's not a real recession yet.
And they say it's not a real recession yet.
The Old MacDonald burger, as Alevras dubs it, blends a grass-fed cow's heart, liver, bone marrow, tongue, flatiron, brisket, shank and clod. It's topped with raw cow's-milk cheese and "mushroom ketchup," and it's served on a beer-bread bun. Fries are, incidentally, extra.
That's $23, and you don't even get fries. (From May.)
Ben's translation in 107 is ok, except for the third sentence. It should be along the lines of:
"Moreover in Germany one wouldn't have thousands come forward if one asked them whether they had served in WW2 or anywhere else..."
How sharper than a child's tooth, to have a tiny hermaphrodite!
I would like to state that I knew the third sentence was off. For the record.
A few people I know have 9/80 schedules and love it. 4x10 would be nice, too.
I'm a few weeks away from being on 4x10. God, it's going to be great.
I would like to state that I knew the third sentence was off.
I didn't know that it was, but I knew that you'd know.
It was off on purpose, to test the Unfoggetariat. Only TH came through.