More than Stevie B, I'm curious whether my uncle from Montana is going to sell his business, as promised, because he doesn't want to run a small business under an Obama administration. You think it's bluster but he's the type crazy enough to do it. They've got gold buried in the yard for when the revolution comes.
They also have many many many guns so I wouldn't attempt to find that gold, either.
Guns and gold you say? A double prize.
Our local paper's editor says a guy called to cancel his subscription because he didn't want to see Obama on the front page. The guy said he was going to cancel cable too.
I'd recommend he go live in Montana with your uncle but I know there are good people in Montana who don't need more trouble.
2: The election is a boon for almost all Americans, and this sadly but certainly includes glibertarian hacks employed by the liberal media, as their niche is assured for the near future.
As for Baldwin, did he say he would move to Canada?
My grandfather had a stroke a few years before he passed away that left him with extreme and rapid emotional fluctuations. The only television channels he could watch were Turner Classic Movies (if they were showing a Western) and Fox News.
So there's pretty much no set of political outcomes that would leave all the Baldwins in the same country. Probably safest that way.
9: In that case, I say ship the fucker off to the Yukon.
gold
i recalled a chukcha joke, ot
so, a chukcha is getting interrogated and they ask him where he buried his gold and after awhile he says it's under the porch or wherever he buried it and the translator translates it like he says shoot me
Thanksgiving at the parental Baldwins must be a riot.
Unless he plans to move to Alberta, wouldn't moving to Canada be the wrong place? Shouldn't he move to Mexico or Russia or someplace like that?
Stevie B. isn't the sharpest tack in the box -- he probably heard one of his brothers talk about moving to Canada when Bush was elected, and didn't figure out the ideological implications of the destination.
Why would Canada want Stephen Baldwin?
Why would Canada want Stephen Baldwin?
I think that's why some of the news reports said he "threatened" rather than "promised" to move. Canada has a points system for immigration, too ... maybe he'd fail to meet the threshold.
Paraguay is where the Bushes plan to go.
Paraguay is where the Bushes plan to go
I thought Uruguay was the Switzerland of South America.
http://www.myoffshoreaccounts.com/english/offshore_uruguay-offshore-banking-bank-account
Paraguay has a more Nazi government. Historically it's been a good hideout.
While I've done my best not to gloat, I did chuckle at Talk of the Nation today. They were talking with one of the guys who worked on Obama's online networking tools, and the guy was explaining how they used the online tools to make meatworld connections. He quipped something like, "I know they were laughing at the RNC about Obama being a community organizer, but I don't think anyone's laughing now."
I've heard two superficially plausible and, I think, completely contradictory narratives of what the Rahm Emmanuel appointment means. One: that Barack Obama is taking his administration in a more pragmatic, less ideological direction. Two: that Barack Obama is looking for a hatchet man to beat the snot out of the Republicans. Which is true? I'm not enough of an insider to even hazard a guess. But it's interesting how the same piece of information can plausibly tell two utterly different stories.
Jesus. Rahm Emmanuel, bless his heart, is a partisan, centrist, not-very-ideological thug. The Republicans he'll hopefully be smashing into jerky are hard right ideologues. Oddly, centrists do not love the hard right the way you do, McMegan.
Yglesias explained all this. I'm just venting.
Yes, folks, it's another terrific article by Matt Taibbi , this time on the meaning of this election.
The only thing that concerned me in Obama's press conference today was the question about the congratulations letter from Iran. The way he locked up and felt compelled to bluster about Iran, right away...he's trapped by the discourse, maybe he even believes it.
The Iranian letter was political poison, so his response was at the very least overdetermined.
I don't know, I have to think Rahm is meant to be a cat-herder.
24: That was an very good video, eb. The part at the end about NYC cigarette smugglers reminded me of a time I lit up on the street in Manhattan and was shortly thereafter asked to bum one, with the guy handing me a dollar. I waved off the dollar and gave the guy a smoke, but man, that was odd for a yokel from Virginia.
maybe he even believes it
On a related note, seeing "Bush Warns of Vulnerability in a Transition" made me wonder how much of the fear-mongering is because Bush truly does have a fearful view of the world.
(The article itself is more or less sane.)
I'm sure that our commander in chief and fearless leader will do what he can to hex Obama. Hopefully he won't invade Somalia like his dad did.
Rahm makes me think that the hog farm is a real possibility. I've sent in my resume.
It would be mean to offer Lieberman a Cabinet spot and then can him as soon as his Senate seat got filled. But would it be too mean?
31 is my favorite thing. (Replacing 22.)
Unfortunately, Connecticut's governor is a Republican and would appoint a Republican in Lieberman's place (like, a real one). Also unfortunately, there's no provision for a recall election either.
You joke about the conversations around the dinner table at the Baldwin's but I've been lucky enough to get a first hand reenactment. For reals.
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I'm seriously enjoying the Newsweek series on the campaign. It's making me feel happy again. We elected an actual, honest to God smart person. Not a smart person pretending to be regular or folksy or whatever, but the real, unapologetic deal. Si se puede!
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35: smart and kind of antisocial! I love it. I bet he reads unfogged.
22 - actually, Paraguay just elected a socialist. So, nowhere to run.
Oops, that was me. Nowhere for me to run either, I guess.
On the other hand, the Newsweek article claims
In midsummer, the Obama campaign's computers were attacked by a virus. The campaign's tech experts spotted it and took standard precautions, such as putting in a firewall.
I suppose a firewall probably doesn't make a difference when the other guy has the NSA, but still.
39: eh, I am more willing to trust the Obama campaign to have taken basic precautions than I am the newsweek reporter to get that detail right. Especially since they totally fucked up a quote earlier in the article where Obama made a Star Trek reference in re: Michelle's belt buckle.
40: What, you're upset that the reporter referred to the crystals in question as "lithium", rather than the correct "dilithium"? God, you're geekier than I am.
41: just, look, if you don't know they're "dilithium crystals", you're not going to get the subtleties of traffic filtering at the scale we're talking about, okay?
The talent fusses underneath the courage!
38 to 36.
Lithium crystals? Do they regulate his mood?
42: Does Blume know you're a virgin, Jetpack?
I believe they were called "lithium" crystals early on in the original series, and that they switched to calling them "dilithium" sometime during the run.
The Wikipedia article on dilithium crystals apparently needs citations for verification.
The Star Trek wiki has no such problems.
I bet Barry said "lithium" and now the article is needling him about his phoniness, a la "Sammy Seuser and Mike McGwire".
Wow, that's terrifying.
I wonder how screenwriters feel about random technobabble they made up on the spot being carefully recorded and cross-referenced.
They also have many many many guns
Sales on AR's and and the 30 round mags are through the roof. The gun nuts are convinced that Obama and the Dems are going to start banning stuff, so they're buying like mad.
53: that's what I call fiscal stimulus!
Actually nutjob blogger Confederate Wankee is holding a blog fundraiser so he can buy more guns. You bet, nutjob!
I really do not understand these gun rights activists. I think the last time any Democrat even mentioned anything related to gun control on a public stage was maybe 1998. The issue has been completely 100% conceded. Charlton Heston won. And they are actually more terrified now than they were when Clinton was president?!?
Must be that the parallel universe of talk radio really does need to have no intersection at all with reality.
Which means we should too. The AR-15 is a fine weapon, but if you're looking to buy in bulk for the underprivileged, the Chinese AKs are very reasonably priced without a significant dropoff in quality. Avoid the Egyptians.
I can tell already that talk radio is considering Obama's vague mentions of "national service", which differ not at all from the vague mentions of the same thing by Clinton, Gore, and Bush, to be...um...some sort of forced labor camp. And what's worse is that the relatively serious libertarians (Reason's blog) are trying to convince their readers of the same thing.
And finally...my friend Joe is actually a Wall Street stockbroker, and has been blathering about how the stock market is tanking because of the Wall Street stockbrokers who are consumed by fear of "redistributionist policies". Presumably he thinks that, say, Warren Buffett was naively hoodwinked into endorsing Obama. I wonder how many other actual stockbrokers believe this.
Now, I'm quite sure that Obama got the vast majority of donations from both Wall Street and Silicon Valley this election cycle, and that if anyone should be prepared for an unwelcome surprise, it's people who are expecting some sort of redistributionist policy. But I can't find the articles I read which actually showed the magnitude of Obama's Wall Street establishment support. So my plan to convince this guy, and then have him convince the rest of Wall Street, and thus reverse the economic crisis which has apparently been largely inspired by fear of non-Bush policy priorities, has been put on hold.
relatively serious libertarians
Never an oxy more moronic.
I wonder how many other actual stockbrokers believe this.
Most of them. Stockbrokers are idiots.
53: On my sister's facebook one of her wingnutty friends suggested that they get themselves their concealed carry permits in Virginia before that socialist got into office and presumably did something about city ordinances in Alexandria, or something. (This gets me with abortion, too. They do realize that the executive branch isn't actually the legislative branch, right?)
They do realize that the executive branch isn't actually the legislative branch, right?
No.
I love this thread! It's the "easy answers to simple questions" thread.
53: that's what I call fiscal stimulus!
Yeah, the dealers are probably having the best sales numbers ever.
We just did a couple days of shotgun training. God, shotguns are fun. I need to start saving for one tricked out by Nighthawk.
Weird, isn't it? Mere days ago we heard that the "socialist" theme, as an extension of anti-communist fear-mongering, was entirely outdated, had no resonance for the people of today.
This gets me with abortion, too. They do realize that the executive branch isn't actually the legislative branch, right?
Seeing as the present executive and legislative branches are hazy on this point, for different reasons, it's hard to blame the wingnuts.
Incidentally, there will be people voting in the next round of congressional elections who were eight years old when Bush came to power.
I think I want a shotgun. I think it would be useful in my career.
"I haz metaphysical counterexample."
"I haz shotgun."
Easy winner.
But you don't have a shotgun, Cala, you just have a collection of fundamental entities arranged shotgunwise.
Incidentally, there will be people voting in the next round of congressional elections who were eight years old when Bush came to power.
Haha. Good. The old people should die off anyway(s), and let the young people run things.
But I'm sorry, the twinkle in my eye doesn't come across over the internets.
75: And I haz a bullet-part at time t1!
You philosopher types killed the thread, and I hope you're happy.
There's an Unfogged La meetup going on right now. Participants:
Domineditrix
Biohazard
Wrongshore+1
Jms
Lurker Tom
West Coast!
MORE LIVEBLOGGING!
(I wish I was there.)
To violate the sanctity of off-blog exchange, I've already demanded drunken comments and bawdy gossip. Maybe California can pull it together. I mean, it's not like we're amending the state constitution here, guys.
If we make them their own thread, they'll have no choice.
I just left a voicemail for some random person or other asking for more drunken liveblogging, so we'll see if that works.
We're talking about Prop 8 and drinking. Just like Unfogged!
Who's hottest? What's Wrongshore's fiancee like? Is Domineditrix really 18 feet tall with eyebeams? WE WANT DIRT.
I hear that in Moscow, you can buy rifles left behind by the Georgian Army. Real cheap. Never fired, only dropped once.
Yeah, I know, old joke.
1. Domineditrix's real name is "Phil Angelides".
2. jms shoots woofs from the air.
3. Lurker Tom gay-married my fiancée when I was in the bathroom.
4. Biohazard has, like 50 goddamn tricks.
5. Robert Halford is a cat. Tabby. No collar.
Sorry I missed your voice message, Tweety. I woulda put you on speaker.
TLL didn't show. Scaredy letch!
MORE LIVEBLOGGING.
Unless you're done, in which case DISH MORE DIRT.
90: The real trick was being performed by the woman in all black at the counter walking in those 6" heels.
It's too bad you missed it; the garlic bread was good enough to be mind-altering.
Yeah, without TLL there I was by far the oldest person in a three mile radius of the place unless there's a cemetary in the area.
I like how halford puts his name in all lowercase when drunk.
Come up n see us some time, Tweety. We'll properly cover you in filth.
Eleanor Roosevelt is one degree of separation from the Unfoggetariat. There. Is that dirty enough for you?
Also two commenters knew each other IRL but didn't know it until the meetup. I feel I can reveal this without compromising security protocols.
I'm drunk too! but not as a result of consorting with unfogged people, unless an ex of water moccasin's counts.
It occurs to me that perhaps no one cares that I am drunk.
No! It is impossible!
Wait, Biohazard had some kind of love triangle with Eleanor Roosevelt and Harry Truman? Am I drunk too?
Biohazard is Truman's and Roösevelt's son.
� thïnk yöü'vë häd ënöügh, Wölfsön.
Come on South Auckland!
(Middle class students all over NZ will thank you.)
Oh damn it.
It isn't going to happen, is it?
(Sorry for interrupting drunken enjoyment with election-losingness.)
Oh damn it.
It isn't going to happen, is it?
(Sorry for interrupting drunken enjoyment with election-losingness.)
What Rahm means: funny names and zero body fat are the new black.
108: What Rahm means -- thunder. What Barack means -- lightning. This still cracks me up.
109: I hadn't thought of that. It is so cool, I will not be able to bear it.
WHO WANTS TO MARRY MUTOMBO?
Mock away pinkboy!
"Former Nugget Dikembe Mutombo shares his first voting experience" And he waited in line for over 2 hours to do it. (I saw it on Lou Dobbs and was waiting for a racist/anti-immigrant punchline that never came.)
Sarah Palin proves Chomsky's point:
"I know that I know that I know that there was nothing done wrong in the campaign.
Doesn't the fact that she used more than one but stopped at three mean that she may be unsure after all? Or is a thrice repetition what's needed to ward off the devil spirit of second-guessing?
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I'm in a good mood; I just placed an order with World Spice Merchants.
I've mentioned them here before, but I had to mention again because (1) they have great spices (2) their online ordering consists of "we will send you a package of spices with an invoice." It warms my Luddite soul.
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Have you ever ordered from Penzeys? Their spices are also great. Looks like World Spice Merchants has a bigger and more international selection, though. But do they send your boxes packed with bay leaves, cinnamon sticks, and the random nutmeg? Penzeys does.
I do my best to proselytize for Penzeys as often as I can.
I haven't ordered from them. I will have to try them for my next order.
As another seasoning note, if you ever want to splurge on fancy pepper, this is truly the best I've tried.
I haven't tried their olive oil because it's harder to justify buying in bulk.
Thanks to Wrongshore for planning and to everyone who showed up to the LA Mutomborgy! It was nice finally meeting you all after lurking here for 2+ years.
Must admit I was relieved TLL didn't show; my normally meek Unitarian grandmother would flay me alive if she ever found out I had socialized amicably with a Republican.
-Lurker Tom
I disavow any presence at last night's bachelorette party for Wrongshore's +1 gathering. The stripper Tweety did not show, nor did TLL, so, as he was the only T person there, we relied on Toops for entertainment. And, despite rumours to the contrary, I am only 17' 11". In heels.
Rahm Emmanuel, bless his heart, is a partisan, centrist, not-very-ideological thug.
"Centrist" isn't the same as "non-ideological." While he was head of the NCCC, Emanuel repeatedly picked conservative, corporate-friendly Dems over more liberal Dems, even when there was evidence to suggest that the liberals would do better; a lot of those conservative Emanuel picks went on to lose. What we call "centrism" is an ideology - it's just that it's the mainstream, accepted ideology of the DC consensus, that assumes that pro-corporate trade agreements are awesome, that Wall Street's ass has to be covered before Washington does anything about the rest of the country, that regulation is bad because it ties up the flow of capital. Emanuel, as far as I can tell, has an ideology. He's not some just empty slate who's good at punching things.
109: Barack = Baruch = blessed. The Hebrew Barak ["lightning"] is a false cognate.
= Benedict = Spinoza = ackpantheism! = ackheresy!
Obama will not get the Leibnizian vote.
Emanuel, as far as I can tell, has an ideology.
Look, you voted for Barack Obama, not Joe Hill - shame, but you know... He's been talking opening about consensus politics all year, so you can't take him back to the store now and claim he doesn't do what it says on the tin.
He will appoint apparachik Dems, he will appoint moderate Republicans. He never promised otherwise. The only question at issue is whether he will actually drive though the priorities he lays claim to. If he gives that his best shot (and fails trying if necessary) then 1. you can't argue and 2. he will be the best US President in my lifetime (1951 - ).
The Newsweek multi-part thingy really is good, and part seven is now up.
I too am a frequent patron of Penzeys. I am intrigued by the Greek Olive Oil people and their pepper. I love that it's called "Garbled Special Extra Bold Grade". Mmmm, garbled!